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The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: Linus on November 17, 2006, 01:20:53 AM
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Yoshizawa Hitomi's recent lose of weight already made the news this week. An article points out how skinny is she looking right now due to all the pressure she has over her shoulders like the fact of keeping Morning Musume alive. About this topic, the article says she is not graduating because MM would definitely fall in a black well and she could only appear on tv shows and focus on futsal.
Yoshizawa has been losing weight ever since Mari Yaguchi and Rika Ishikawa left the ship. She's been trying hard on keeping Gatas from falling apart and keeping Momusu from falling apart. Aruiteru's #1 must have been a relief for her. But it is enough? Wouldn't it be the perfect goodbye for a gold era member? All the preassure on her is killing he health of the reason why I started to like Morning Musume: Yossie. She belongs to the past, and all the past is gone ever since Mari and Rika graduated. She's doesn't belong to the current time.
Yuko and Kaori knew when was their time to quit. Maybe Yossie is being forced to be the captain of this ship until the last breath? I can't believe she's not announcing it yet. Even if she retires like Aya Ishiguro and we only know something about her sometimes (Kei Yasuda anyone?). I'd be happier with her on her own sweet way, maybe joining the university, rather than watching her totally out of place within the new gens. However, I have the sad feel she will stay until the last day of MM.
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I agree that she should graduate now. It seems really unfair to place so much pressure on just one girl to hold not only one, but *two* groups together (Momosu and Gatas)! XD It's no wonder her health is going down, and honestly, I don't think anything is worth losing your heath. Yossi should graduate now, since Aruiteru has become a hit, and end her career on a high note rather than a low one. It would be awful to just keep her around until Momosu completely disintegrates, and all of her hard work would be for nothing XD
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I voted yes, her health is more important. Though, it would be horrid to see her go.
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Yossi will probably need to graduate after we get married, anyway. :ONhee:
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I haven't watched a whole lot of MM stuff real recently but it seems to me like everyone except for eri has teetered to the thin side of the spectrum. I'm not terribly worried about Yoshizawa, her weight has always fluctuated ever since she joined. Perhaps being the only member left with some real rapport within the industry (with the exception of perhaps Miki) has put the burden on her to prop up the group, but I don't think that is the reason she is loosing weight.
They should just graduate Yoshizawa to do a big anniversary reunion tour with the other graduates, make Miki solo again and add a bunch of new material to MM. Morning Musume will survive the losses, it always has, and it will force others that are perhaps unwilling, or being held back to step it up outside of just Hello Morning.
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I love Yossi, and if her health is at risk, I support the idea of her graduating right now. Thing is, knowing her she'll wait until 8th gen is introduced to graduate. I only hope she makes the right decision and thinks of her health before anything else :)
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She should do what ever her mind tells her. I voted no for right now, but the day will come soon after the 8th generation comes in and settle down.
If she does graduate she should manage the group. I see her as the next Yuko when it comes to the respect the other members give her.
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I think she should retire if she feels the need to or if she's too stressed to go on. Health > work.
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Although I agree that she should place her health over her work, I also agree with the article saying that Morning Musume might fall apart if she wasn't in it. Sure, Aruiteru was a good one, but still, what about the singles after Aruiteru? Can we guarantee Morning Musume's success after seeing Aruiteru? I think not. Not only that, Yossie's like, the only comedy master left in the group next to maybe Miki. So that's a huge blow to their talk shows if Yossie decides to graduate now, considering the other members aren't as outspoken as she is. What I had just said is probably one of the burdens she's carrying: wondering the possibility of MM's future if she were to go.
Nonetheless, if her health gets any worse, then yes, I will support her decision to graduate.
EDIT: I did not intend to sound like I'm disrespecting any of the other Gatas or MM members when I say Yossie is what keeps them up. Don't get me wrong, I love them all dearly, but I also honestly say that I don't think most of them can uphold a good interview if they are too shy or something. So y'all, forgive me if I sound like I'm setting Yossie on a pedestal the other members can't touch.
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Yossie shouldn't put her work ahead of her health. Even if I feel she's was doing great as a leader, her current health evidences she has too much on her own hands. Before Mako & Konno graduations I was sure that Yossie would be graduating the next. She surely will be missed when she does it, but really, she can hurt herself for some group she has already saw on the top of the weekly charts, and because of better reasons. But even saying that, I was happy seeing Aruiteru as a weekly #1, because and just because Yossie could get some relief.
Also, since MM is trying hardcore to keep the image of young girls, Yossie kinda doesn't fit there (I'm a huge Hitomi fan btw). Koharu is a seller-machine, and Miki has GAM on her side, every member of MM gets more spotlight than Yossie.
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She should just graduate and form a group with Mai & Ayaka. They can name it M.A.Y XD
Anyway even if she would be graduating anytime soon, it would likely be at next year's summer concert. In the meantime, they really need to sort out within MM who should do the leading, who should be summarising their act. I would give my vote of confidence to Miki as leader & Risa as sub leader.
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I would give my vote of confidence to Miki as leader & Risa as sub leader.
Risa would pass that to Aichan.
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I voted not sure.
Tell me, not to sound wrong or anything, but what exactly does a Morning Musume leader do? (rhetorical)
Yossui doesn't get that many parts in songs...she doesn't talk that much in the shows they appear on beyond an introduction of the song or group and when she does talk it doesn't seem stressful. I also doubt that she's involved with big corporate aspects of the record label to stress her as well.
She does Gatas because she enjoys it, simple as that, and you can attribute that to her weight loss. People saying its unhealthy need to take a look around at other artists (Nakashima Mika, anyone?) and just because she was a lil chubby once before, doesn't mean being skinny is bad. Yossui was a teen when we saw her weight fluctuations, and now that she is a woman there will be less of that.
Morning Musume can still function without her, how can u make such a big statement that they'd fall apart without her? Or that she's the only one holding them together? The newspaper that ran that article just probably wanted to fill some space.
That being said, I hope Yossui stays for as long as she wishes. She's still refreshing to see on H!M and other places. And I'd hate to see her go.
Once again, I'm just bashing the article, not Yossui. <3
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^ theoretically a leader's job is nothing. Probably just to remind members when to show up, relate information they get from supervisors/managers or tsunku.
But they actually need to act like a big sister to the lower aged members and most importantly lead by example. They are also the one that girls look for when in doubt and feeling down and when they are in trouble, mediate fights etc. Leaders also need to teach the young & new members the guidelines to stay out of trouble and succeed in the entertainment circle.
Miki though not the best choice will suffice for now because i believe we won't see her long staying in MM. The long term solution would be Risa and i hope they can train her early so she can be a good leader for the next generation of musumes. I actually see her and Kamei as the 2 to lead the next generation if they do still exists that long XD. They work well together and can summarise well.
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exactly what i thought Rionz.. i dunno if there's any actual proof that she's got a problem with her health.. i always thought she's skinnier now than ever b4 but never to the point of scary mika nakashima skinny.. it might be because of the pressure.. but i doubt there are many people out there actually expect her and putting pressure on her shoulders alone to keep momusu alive.. and i also doubt it's because of gatas.. football's always fun, win or lose.. and as a big fan of football i'm sure she feels the same way too..
but i hope it's not a psychological problem like anorexia or something. where she's getting to self concious and starts to starve herself.. that kind of thing won't go away even if she leaves momusu..
anyway i voted 'not sure' because i'm kinda divided.. she already seems out of place a little right now and with the new gens coming (they're getting younger & younger all the time) i don't think the old skool chemistry will be there anymore.. but it's really sad if she does go. this is yossie we're talking about here after all.. *reminiscing about all the good times*
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I feel horrible for saying this, but Yossie is the leader and she has to lead. That means putting others before yourself.
Sub-leader Miki simply doesn't have what it takes to be the new Leader. She might be one of the most popular girls, but everybody knows she wont be around for long.
And Aichan is still not ready to take up the mantle. Give her a year, maybe two. Give her a few singles, and get her out in front of the media more. Give her more confidence and let her lighten up a bit. Then, maybe Yossie can pass the leadership down to Ai-chan.
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If Yossie wants to graduate then she should be allowed too.
Her health is more important than Morning Musume or H!P. It UfA don't want her to graduate then they should allow her sometime off to gain some weight and rest.
Yossie shouldn't put her work ahead of her health. Even if I feel she's was doing great as a leader, her current health evidences she has too much on her own hands. Before Mako & Konno graduations I was sure that Yossie would be graduating the next. She surely will be missed when she does it, but really, she can hurt herself for some group she has already saw on the top of the weekly charts, and because of better reasons. But even saying that, I was happy seeing Aruiteru as a weekly #1, because and just because Yossie could get some relief.
Also, since MM is trying hardcore to keep the image of young girls, Yossie kinda doesn't fit there (I'm a huge Hitomi fan btw). Koharu is a seller-machine, and Miki has GAM on her side, every member of MM gets more spotlight than Yossie.
I couldn't agree with you more. Although I thought that Miki and Takahashi would graduate before Makoto and Konkon. I was so shocked when I read the annoucement that Mako and Konkon were going to graduate :cry:.
I cant help feeling that Hitomi never wanted to be leader she just got landed into that role. She said at Konkon graduation that she was worried when she first became leader maybe the worry has never gone away. She always seemed happier messing around with Makoto and Miki on Hello! Morning before she was leader.
Whatever happens I just hope that Hitomi gets better and get given the chance to do what she wants to do rather than what UFA wants.
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I've been saying this since Rika's graduated... FREE YOSSIE!
I'm not sure you can compare Yossie's weight situation with Mika's. I'm not her fan and haven't been following her works, but Mika has always been this thin to me. So that's how she is. There's probably nothing wrong about her, she's just naturally thin. But Yossie...her weight shifted a lot. Remember before Goto's grad when she, like, bloated and it took a big while for her to get back in shape. Then she got a bit thinner, then got chubby after that, and now she's thinner than ever.
And allowing her to have some time off to get rest? No time off in MM. You know who just had a time off? Makoto. That's how you get a time off.
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I love Yossi to bits, but I'd rather see her graduate than see her look so tired and sickly thin. Whether what the article speculates is true or not, I think it's pretty obvious to see that Yossi doesn't look well right now, for whatever reason, and even if it's something outside of Momusu or Gatas problems, having that extra strain can't be good.
I'm curious though to see if this being in the news will effect anything. I don't know if it's caused as much of a stir amongst japanese fans as it has to us, but I'd imagine that up front would want to do something if Yossi's getting...I guess it's somewhat negative press.
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Yossie's weight loss really looks worrying... especially when we all saw how 'big-sized' she was at one point of time. i think Yossie has too much leadership (MM, Futsal) in her hands suddenly and perhaps this is sucking up all her energy.
as much as i would like her to graduate and be in a smaller group (think Pucchimoni!), i don't think UFA will let her out of MM anytime soon. MM is already small enough and besides, there's no other leader material. Miki seems too heck care about MM, while Ai is lead vocal and they never had a lead be leader at the same time too, that will be too much focus on just one person (like how Nacchi was never leader). i think Yossie is doing the leader job well, but they just need to stop overworking her! and make her eat more! besides, i cannot imagine MM without any golden era member... then MM will really seem un-MM-like to me...
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I feel horrible for saying this, but Yossie is the leader and she has to lead. That means putting others before yourself.
Sub-leader Miki simply doesn't have what it takes to be the new Leader. She might be one of the most popular girls, but everybody knows she wont be around for long.
And Aichan is still not ready to take up the mantle. Give her a year, maybe two. Give her a few singles, and get her out in front of the media more. Give her more confidence and let her lighten up a bit. Then, maybe Yossie can pass the leadership down to Ai-chan.
QFT.
I should be thinking that Yossie (since I'm a huuuuge fan of hers) should just graduate and get herself back in line, but damn it, I can't say that. Morning Musume would have no one with the right "skills" to lead, because neither Fujimoto nor Takahashi fit that. They simply DON'T.
And I'm also pretty sure that Yossi is going back to her normal weight, she won't stay like this for long, since I have already seen her recent appearances and that does look like it: give her some time from the stress and Yoshizawa will get better.
Everything is just a matter of time.
Ps.: I chose "No" in the poll, btw. And that's not because I'm afraid of her being just a god damned shadow in H!P, it's because I do have a feeling she won't be this thin for long.
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she is probably bulimic
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she is probably bulimic
I don't think the problem is THAT big... ¬¬'
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Yossi will probably need to graduate after we get married, anyway. :ONhee:
NO AMP!!, YOSSIE get married with ME >.<
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NO AMP!!, YOSSIE get married with ME >.<
We can share? :ONluvluv1:
In the meantime, someone get Yossi some delicious sandwiches, quickly!
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Personally, they way people here are taking for granted that Yossie's lost weight only and exclusively because of all the stress being a leader carries seems a bit ridiculous to me. She could have familiar problems, she could have other kind of problems, or she could simply not have that kind of problems at all and lost weight just because she's such a sporty girl or something like that. And for gods sake, we certainly don't know how much she eats, so what the hell's all that 'she should eat more' about??
I'm with Yasu in giving her time.
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All I'll say is this.
Yossi, She's been great, she's done alot of awesome things, and is an awesome leader, but best H!Ps ever had I think. But I reallly do think it's time for her to graduate and leave MM, so she doesn't have so much pressure on her.
I'd rather see her graduate and leave happily and become healthy once again, then to see her slowly shrink away to a walking skeleton. Please, let YOSSI LEAVE H!P, she's done enough for everyone.
And there's a reason there's always a Leader and a Sub-leader.
PASS ON THE TORCH YOSSI!!
I don't want to watch her grow anymore skinny or risk her health just to keep us happy, I'd be more happy if she just left and I'd still totally respect her if she left.
Infact, if she left, I don't care what I'd have to do, i'd go to Japan to see her graduation, whatever time of year it would be.
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I say NO, however uncompassionate it may seem. The groups needs her badly and currently none of the girls has made the impression on me that she would be able to replace Hitomi. It couldn't be Miki, she doesn't seem to care enough, Takahashi lacks the leadership charisma, and Risa is too young. Moreover, apart form the weight loss, we don't know if there’s anything else wrong with Hitomi's health. I hope she'll continue to be the leader for a long time. Funny thing, when Yaguchi quit, I didn't believe Yossi could be a charismatic leader, and now I think she is irreplaceable..
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Hmmm...remember when Reina and Nono got freakishly thin, and all of the rumours and speculations about them during those times?
Voted "no" btw.
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I have to say, I don't understand why you all would think Yossie would even want to leave morning musume. I honestly think she's very happy in the group and very happy to be leader.
You have no idea what her life is like, like other's have mentioned; I'm sure there's other factors involved, she's not that transparent. Besides, Yossie's weight has always flucuated, I bet she'll be back to normal at least by the next single :P
Absolutly not. I love Yossie; with Mako-chan and Iida-san gone she's really the main humor left.
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For yossie's case if she graduate she'll probably ruin her singing career, sorry but I just can't imagine yossie going solo, maybe she might be able to pull of a rika forming a small unit of 3. On the other hand the current MM is getting youger and younger, unless tsunku picks 18yr olds to be the new 8th gen, yossie might probably be alittle too old to be in the grp even tho I got my eyes on one of the twelve year-olds :p. Ironic tho how Lida and Nakazawa graduated like at an older age but yossie's 21 and she seems too mature for the grp? Miki can't lead the group as some people already said, she seems alittle reluctant to be in the group, and Ai's don't really fit the leader position she's more like a cute elder sister to the younger members (like nacchi). The best candidate is Niigaki but she's only 18!! Thats why I think Momusu needs yossie just as much as yossie needs Momusu. But at the end of the day.. its tsunku or UFA who decides weather yossie should graduate of not isn't it?
I don't think the weight issue is a problem, I mean we'v seen how she came in thin then grew plumb then back to normal and now thin again. It's not a matter of her health. I think she's fit as hell, has anyone seen her thighs? not as nicely toned as kame but thats what an athelete's thigh should look like!
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For yossie's case if she graduate she'll probably ruin her singing career, sorry but I just can't imagine yossie going solo, maybe she might be able to pull of a rika forming a small unit of 3.
Heh, I love Yossie so much, but I totally agree with you there XD
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She should leave if she wants to and stay if she wants to. Frankly, I'd rather have her stay because you do have to wonder what happens to MM once she's gone and it's pretty clear she'd be walking the path of Kei/Ogawa if she leaves the group. Also, I miss the diverse MM...Why shouldn't the girls be allowed to stay in the group until they can't keep up/want to move on (ala Yuko)?
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The problem with Yossie is not alack of talent (far from it) its just a simple case that the powers who control Morning Musume dont perceive her as an "ideal" idol therefore she will get shuffled to the side alot which is a real shame.
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(...) it's pretty clear she'd be walking the path of Kei/Ogawa if she leaves the group.
Well... maybe UFA could do exactaly like this.
Pick the "not-so-idol-image" girls and form a unit...
can you imagine?:baa60776:
-Yossie
-Ogawa
-Kei
-Ayaka
Maybe something not so "you-must-sell-like-hell-or-you-are-fired" work in a way they don't even expect to.
These girls get along so well.
I can't see why a unit like this could not be a success! :tfr9a7wg:
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Well... maybe UFA could do exactaly like this.
Pick the "not-so-idol-image" girls and form a unit...
can you imagine?:baa60776:
-Yossie
-Ogawa
-Kei
pucchimoni 3? :ONding:
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I wouldn't want see Hitomi leave for selfish reasons. She is the last 4th gen there....
Also shes not going to have a solo career if she leaves. But if she really is all pressured out.....
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Voted not sure...
I've been expecting Yossi to graduate in the next couple of years anyway.
Currently, I have a feeling Yossi could be one of the best leaders the group has had. I remember the girls saying that since yossi became leader she mails them messages all the time on their concerns, something that the past leaders rarely did. She's been in the business long enough to know how things work and I feel that all the members really connect with her. Also I see her as the only one that could keep Miki from biting everyone's heads off. :lol:
Miki is not fit to be a leader. She's not very social, bossy, and seems to have a short fuse. She was never fit to be in a large group in the first place. If she's not an only child, I would be surprised :lol: (no offence to only childs :P )
I wouldn't say Yossi is a perfect fit with the other girls, but I think she fits the role of a big sister really well. She really has matured in the past year or so since she became leader.
Yossi will graduate as soon as Miki graduates I think. I also see Aichan maybe to graduate somewhere in there >_>
As for yossi's health, there have been tons of scares like this with other members, and from what I see, I'm really less worried about her health as I was with other members. I guess if things don't change by spring, then I'll start to worry.
As of now I really think instead of worrying about her graduation and all, just give her your support. That's probably more important than anything else.
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pucchimoni 3? :ONding:
Ayaka was in pucchi moni at one point too :lol:
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I love yossie so much so it's a pain for me to see her leaving, but if she leaves is it going to be a downfall for MM because, I got so confused on yossie's popularity right now, I am not sure whether is it going to make such a difference???
talk about leader materials, maybe miki will be a ok leader too, since when Kaorin graduated I kinda doubted that whether yossie's going to be a good leader, apprenately she is^^ maybe miki will too.
I don't think yossie's going to graduate anysoon, maybe AI or reina will even grad before her......
and her future... of course I wish she could be a solo, which almost impossible, since tsuku is so good at trashing talented girls. and I can only see her future being a soccer player or appearing on random TV shows once a while or appearing in H!P all star concert and that's it
I was always wondering if yossie joined a different company, she probably be the big hit in Japan.... as least I wish~
If yossie grads I am so gonna go to her grad concert and cry my butt off.
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I love yossie so much so it's a pain for me to see her leaving, but if she leaves is it going to be a downfall for MM...
Woa! Hold your horses! No one said she was going to leave in anytime soon. O.o
That's just our (most dark) expeculations... :ONsmoke:
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How do fans in Japan feel about Yossi and all this talk?
Just curious.
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Frankly, I'd rather have her stay because you do have to wonder what happens to MM once she's gone and it's pretty clear she'd be walking the path of Kei/Ogawa if she leaves the group.
Why does everyone talk as if Kei has disappeared completely from the entertainment business? She's become moderately successful on her own as a stage actress, appearing in two or three major productions each year. Just because she isn't singing pop songs and releasing photobooks, that doesn't mean she died or something.
For crying out loud, there's more to life than idols -- stop viewing Japan solely through the H!P lens...
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Why does everyone talk as if Kei has disappeared completely from the entertainment business? She's become moderately successful on her own as a stage actress, appearing in two or three major productions each year. Just because she isn't singing pop songs and releasing photobooks, that doesn't mean she died or something.
For crying out loud, there's more to life than idols -- stop viewing Japan solely through the H!P lens...
Wins the thread. :heart:
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there's no need for her to leave if she doesn't want to: she gets up and down the pitch playing for Gatas as you would not expect an unhealthy person to. you can't run as hard as she does in her games (she's about the only one in Gatas who does run, which is one of the reasons they've been so crap recently) and have an eating disorder.
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Whoever joins from HAPPY8, Yossie and Miki will start to fit less and less for age terms. If they follow their seniors, they should graduate and it's my wish, actually. People was happy for Rika to be free'd from a MoMusu in which she didn't fit much more for age as well. Come on Tsunku! Yoshizawa deserves better!
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Since Tsunku added only one new member, Yossie won't be graduating soon. She's the most sparkling personality in MM and I don't think he likes a group with only 8 members. She'll probably break Kaori's longevity record. I think she's only a few months away from doing that.
The question in my mind is "Does she want to graduate?" Is she happy? Why the borderline anorexia?
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Yuko graduated somewhate late into her twenties, didn't she? Or maybe that was Kaori :evil:
Well, I think if they get a ninth generation member any time soon, then it would probably be OK. Despite how much I love Yossie, I think she's being a bit dried out by MM :(
I just hope for the best for our dear Yossi:heart:
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I just found out yesterday that Kaori was graduated last year.. I'm still not over that :l
If Yoshi wants to leave it's ok by me, as long as she feels good about it.. I can't really judge it..
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I just found out yesterday that Kaori was graduated last year.. I'm still not over that :l
If Yoshi wants to leave it's ok by me, as long as she feels good about it.. I can't really judge it..
Actually, it was more like 2 years ago. Her last single is The Manpower that was released in the begining of 2005 and we are almost in the begining of 2007
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I voted no. Her leadership skills are too valuable, and I don't think Miki has the personality for it (just my opinion).
She assumed leadership under very difficult circumstances after Mari's sudden departure, and really took the reigns. I can't think of anyone else capable of doing the job so well. After all, in old days, Tsunku had much less on his plate; now there's Berryz and Cute and all the other groups and artists -- how much time does he have to devote to MM? The leadership role isn't just a figurehead anymore like it used to be.
I like to view Yossi as the wing nut that holds MM's world together. Losing her would leave a real vacume.
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Well... maybe UFA could do exactaly like this.
Pick the "not-so-idol-image" girls and form a unit...
can you imagine?:baa60776:
-Yossie
-Ogawa
-Kei
-Ayaka
Maybe something not so "you-must-sell-like-hell-or-you-are-fired" work in a way they don't even expect to.
These girls get along so well.
I can't see why a unit like this could not be a success! :tfr9a7wg:
That group would rock.What would they call them?
I think they would make a great group. Their personalities complement each other too.
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Yossie and Kei already sold a lot :) I have always wondered what was Tsunku thinking when he broke PucchiMoni, and Tanpopo, and Minimoni... anyway, I hope PucchiMoni shows up in the 10th Anniversary concert as in last years Winter Tour, that, just to remember, it was the thing that made the news even more than the tour itself :D