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Jpop Sekai => The Official J-Music Artist Threads => Topic started by: tsutomo on September 19, 2015, 02:44:06 AM
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Accepting the suggestion of some folks, here am I creating a thread on this forum to discuss about idol festivals in general. TIF shall continue having its own annual thread, but other festivals (be it a big one like @Jam Expo or Idol Yokocho, or some smaller ones like Tokyo Aruaru or Uta Musume) fall on this thread. feel free to share your experiences, your knowledge, ask questions, arrange meetings with other users, share some interesting incoming gigs... just try to stay on topic and don`t talk specifically about some group (unless it's Up Up Girls Kakkokari. because I like them :P ). do it on this group`s own thread. :)
some notable festivals scheduled soon:
-Idol Yokocho at Nikufes Odaiba 9/19 - 9/20
-Idol Koushien in Akasaka Blitz 9/22
-TwinBox Fujisan 2015 9/22 - 9/23
-Live Plus at Akasaka Blitz 9/23
-Live Plus Festival 2015 Autumn 10/3
-Akasaka Halloween 2015 11/1
-Girls Pop Japan 11/8
-@Jam the field vol.8 11/22
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Was planning to go to the Nikufes one but I'm going with friends to the last day of Tokyo Game Show instead. Mostly sad I won't get to see Osaka Shunkashuto but, they should be appearing at another event soon.
Will be going to a small fest at Ebisu Liquid Room on 9/21. Appearing there will be: Mecha High, Kamiyado, CANDY GO!GO!, drop, Feam, Maneki Kecha, Ru:Run, Idol College, Guso Drop, sora tob sakana, HEART of HEARTS, Honey Spice, P.IDL, FES☆TIVE, Heisei Kotohime, Baseball Girls (probably no the ones from Japan Expo Paris), &CRAZY, Junes☆Princess, etc. Kind of annoyed that there is no timetable as far as I can see but, I'll be going to the evening show. All they have is their Twitter account, which is less convenient.
https://twitter.com/moekawa_live (https://twitter.com/moekawa_live)
A rule of making such an event should include mandatory making of and posting of a timetable in advance so people can plan.
Akasaka Halloween seems a little less impressive this year with all the Platinum groups, more like Platinum Sonic with Hime Kyun and some other groups added on. Upga killed it last year and totally deserved to be the last act with their military outfits and set list. Ciao Bella and drop lost members recently also.
Idol Koushien at Akasaka Blitz seems interesting with BiSH and Tsuyogari Sensation (Chihiro's old group) in the lineup. Wonder if the end will be PASSPO, BiSH, PassCode again with all hell breaking loose (again).
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^ I'll be running between that Ebisu Liquidroom event and Meguro Rockmaykan. I did piece together the 2-bu timetable from their twitter, not interested in 1-bu.
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Yeah, aside from FESTIVE and partially Chu-Z, it doesn't feel worth it for me to have gone that early.
Looks like the 2nd one starts around 3:45 and not 5pm like it is written everywhere else. A bunch of groups I've never seen but have been on the lineups for a lot of events lately (sora tob sakana, Maneki Kecha) are on early so...
Not sure about CANDY GO! GO! but since everyone mentions Guso Drop, I should stay to thoroughly check them out.
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Tell us about the organisation. How is the location? Access?
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Ebisu Liquidroom is maybe 5 minutes from the West Exit of Ebisu station. I didn't like how they made people go up the stairs and then back down to get in, especially with a small door right there but I guess it helped when the doors opened in the morning?
http://www.liquidroom.net/ (http://www.liquidroom.net/)
There were still tokutenkai from the morning show going on when I got there after 4pm and just caught the end of Maneki Kecha, the imooto group of drop. Unless there were fans coming and going just for their favorite groups, it was maybe 1/2 to 2/3rds full and capacity is about 900. There were tokutenkai for groups going on right outside by the entrance and on the 2nd floor which also had a Time Out Tokyo cafe.
There were some raised areas on the sides and back of the room so you could see even from far away, unlike someplace like Shinjuku Blaze. It wasn't as terraced as someplace like Shibuya WWW though.
Crowd was pretty well behaved and security wasn't bothering people. I didn't see any actually. Maybe craziest thing was one guy standing on the front rail by the stage to get the attention of Anna (light blue) from Guso Drop but then again, Yura (yellow) was running around on the floor whacking people with a squeaky hammer and Shion (purple) was spraying people with water from her mouth also.
Not having a timetable didn't help. And it seems like at the last minute, they moved the starting time up about an hour. I did want to see Junes☆Princess, P.IDL, FESTIVE, and Chu-Z but not enough to wake up early and go to both. Besides, those groups are pretty much performing somewhere everyday?
Guso Drop reminds me of PassCode with the scream vocals and the songs that switch tempo/genre abruptly but, PassCode usually just turns into a wall of noise, at least when I saw them at Idol Koushien and @JAM. CANDY GO! GO! is deserving of being last. So many orange shirts!
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you never been to Liquidroom yet, wattstax? I like that house a lot, specially for viewing festivals that last for several hours and include some groups you don`t really care to see from close to the stage. the viewing there is very good from the backside. as mixedmedia said, the only real bad point with Liquidroom is that entrance thing that obligates you to go up and down again. I guess their intention is to have the lanes waiting inside and not outside...
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Nope. The only "live house" I know in Ebisu is the Garden Hall. The raised areas sound good though.
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Raised areas at a venue are always a plus for shorter people.
Is there a limit to how "small" a "festival" can be? Also on October 3rd is "Pride of Pinchike" at Shin-Kiba 1st Ring. I think the groups will be performing inside a wrestling ring. POP, Moso Calibration, Yurumerumo, Electric Ribbon, Oyasumi Hologram, Bellring Shojo Heart are in the lineup so far. I'll be out of the country so I hope someone goes and gives a report though. Sounds like a bunch of crazy fanbases clashing head on but, since it actually costs money to go (3,300 yen), maybe that's too much for any real pinchike (poor crappy wota that cause trouble) to go?
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on that day imo there are two way better options: the already mentioned Live Plus at Shin-Kiba (with 112 groups confirmed. I'd personally highlight Feam, Festive, Re-2, Yuuka Ueno, Nato Kan, FYT and Koto) or the small Asia Super Live at club Asia (Shibuya), with two editions featuring the likes of Honey Squash, Candy Go! Go! and fucking Qam, a group which I've been pumping the last few weeks and I'm dying to finally see them live. :)
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Such diversity in festivals. Too bad they often happen at the same time.
Any news regarding festivals around Christmas and New Years? Would be much appreciated!
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In that case, I'm glad I am geographically exempt from having to make a decision. Having seen Yurumerumo, POP, and Oyasumi Hologram a lot more, I'd be leaning towards that event but, I do like Nato Kan as well. I've been following Rina from Feam on Cheerz lately but haven't really seen them as much as I would have liked to. Anyway, I can't go to either so I'm looking forward to the next one when I'm back in Japan.
Does anyone have a dream or nightmare lineup for an event? I have joked before that something like Pour Lui and Yufu Terashima or Chu-Z with Vanilla Beans and/or Idoling!!! would be terrible for all involved. Party Rockets and GALETTe? Dorothy Little Happy and callme?
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Ebisu Liquidroom is maybe 5 minutes from the West Exit of Ebisu station. I didn't like how they made people go up the stairs and then back down to get in, especially with a small door right there but I guess it helped when the doors opened in the morning?
http://www.liquidroom.net/ (http://www.liquidroom.net/)
There were still tokutenkai from the morning show going on when I got there after 4pm and just caught the end of Maneki Kecha, the imooto group of drop. Unless there were fans coming and going just for their favorite groups, it was maybe 1/2 to 2/3rds full and capacity is about 900. There were tokutenkai for groups going on right outside by the entrance and on the 2nd floor which also had a Time Out Tokyo cafe.
There were some raised areas on the sides and back of the room so you could see even from far away, unlike someplace like Shinjuku Blaze. It wasn't as terraced as someplace like Shibuya WWW though.
Crowd was pretty well behaved and security wasn't bothering people. I didn't see any actually. Maybe craziest thing was one guy standing on the front rail by the stage to get the attention of Anna (light blue) from Guso Drop but then again, Yura (yellow) was running around on the floor whacking people with a squeaky hammer and Shion (purple) was spraying people with water from her mouth also.
Not having a timetable didn't help. And it seems like at the last minute, they moved the starting time up about an hour. I did want to see Junes☆Princess, P.IDL, FESTIVE, and Chu-Z but not enough to wake up early and go to both. Besides, those groups are pretty much performing somewhere everyday?
Guso Drop reminds me of PassCode with the scream vocals and the songs that switch tempo/genre abruptly but, PassCode usually just turns into a wall of noise, at least when I saw them at Idol Koushien and @JAM. CANDY GO! GO! is deserving of being last. So many orange shirts!
A bit late, (hey I only recently got back to England), but I may as well say something about this Liquidroom event. I guess, like some people have said in this thread - what counts as a festival? I would call this more like a normal kindof idol event... just in a bigger venue... maybe a tad longer etc, kindof inbetween ground...
Anyway, I was at Lolisyn at noon at Rockmaykan, then out for lunch, and back at Rockmaykan for my friend's oshimen, Ogura Ayame, who I would highly recommend btw, she is nuts! Oh, and the Rockmaykan event had re-entry.... unlike Liquidroom... even though Liquidroom gave you wristbands... which was really annoying as I was starving in there and wanted to grab some food from the combini during some groups I couldn't care for, but couldn't...
Anyway, I went to Liquidroom as a friend wanted me to turn up for Baseball Girls, and I see why he likes them, the crowd is fun. As for the whole event, seems like people only watched their favourite groups really then fucked off, which is fair enough. I kindof did the same, think I checked out Mecha High - Ayapaso was cute - but didn't really watch the other groups. I was waiting for Heisei Kotohime, who were fun as usual, then Honey Spice. Who were excellent. But... because the event was running so late, I had to leave halfway through Honey Spice's set... (so of course, Aritan told me off for this the next day and wouldn't let me get anything other than a fake punching me in the face cheki). Also embarrassing cuz as I was leaving Kotohime were starting their buppan so they all said hello to me so I had to say "shit, sorry, I gotta go, I'll see you tomorrow..." and then I promptly tripped up the stairs on the way out (luckily out of sight of the girls). Anyway I headed back to Rockmaykan to see Code of Zero, and Lolisyn's second set. I really wanted my friend to see Lolisyn before he left (it was his last day). Buppan was really fun.
So I missed Guso Drop. But saw them a bunch of times this trip anyway, I think they are really fun tbh. Shion always sprays water on everyone, she normally crowdsurfs. Sometimes they all run out into the crowd to hightouch (or in Rei's case, to slap you in the face, hard.) I also still think "slow RAIN @ Tokyo" is the most visually stunning idol song. Your first buppan with Guso Drop will also be the most value for money btw. If you join the Gushin, which costs 1000yen, you get a group handshake, a group photo they post on twitter, a group photo they take with a DSLR and later give you printed out and framed in a wooden frame, and 5 communication tickets, enough for one for each member.
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When I look up the Idol Koushien schedule on the official site it only lists dates for shows in Nagoya and Osaka. Aren't they doing Tokyo shows anymore?
Are there alternatives?
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When I look up the Idol Koushien schedule on the official site it only lists dates for shows in Nagoya and Osaka. Aren't they doing Tokyo shows anymore?
Are there alternatives?
They did one a couple weeks ago in Tokyo so I don't think they've stopped...
LivePlus also seems to do similar things - ie, smaller events and then big festivals in Studio Coast.
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the one which unfortunately stopped is Love Mark Festival. they changed to Tiara on Parade title but the last one occurred on april. now the longest one still running (among these small festivals) is Uta Musume.
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akasaka halloween next sunday just turned into the coolest shit ever with the final lineup announcement. :cow:
this year they'll have Cheeky Parade, Starmarie, Ciao Bella Cinquetti (the possible), drop, hy4_4yh, Passpo, Palet, Predia, Lyrical School, Wasuta, Hime Kyun Fruit Can and fucking Up Up Girls Kakkokari! almost all my favorite groups united. I'm lovin it.
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You really like any of the first 5 groups you mentioned and even Wasuta? :shocked
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I have a mental block about STARMARIE but, the rest of the lineup looks to be around the same level as last year's one. Even though they went and changed their name and lost Akkyan, CBC should be great as long as they don't do "Omotesando"! Don't do it even though it is close to Akasaka!
If PASSPO wears the Avengers (and Die Hard) costumes, they might just win Halloween! Upga should have another epic costume. Of all the groups, I expect palet probably won't dress up since they didn't last year.
I wonder why Twintail Japan haven't announced their Twintail Day Event (11/22) yet. Are they possibly not going to have one? They had one last year on 11/22 and another on 2/2 but nothing as far as I can see. Same day as @JAM 8 at LIQUIDROOM though.
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^^don't play dumb, you know which groups I was referring to. anyways, out of the rest, only hy4_4yh isn't enjoyable for me. so that makes a very strong lineup. change them with PRGT and you have the ultimate perfection. =D
now I'm just wondering when they'll release a fucking time table. just hope they don't put Up Up as one of the first groups cuz it'll drain energy too soon.
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Timetable for Akasaka Halloween is up!
(http://picroda.jphip.com/japanese/jphip41917.gif)
hy4_4yh is up early but Upga is earlier than last year. Kind of surprised that drop is that late in the lineup but, they're pretty popular and their songs have been getting better. Looks like a nice-sized block of high-energy groups in the middle and PASSPO and lyrical school bookending it. Somehow, I have managed to not see Starmarie despite how often they perform but am in no rush to do so either.
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this time table is so... strange. :nervous but hey, it`s nice that Hime Kyun is not the first group as I was fearing. and Lyrical will be the one closing it, despite 'bigger fishes' around. oh and of course, this means I only need to arrive a little before 16:00. :P
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Was going to go a little early to see if I would make a rare PASSPO nama shashin purchase because of the Halloween photos but, it seems they're not on sale today? Weird. Maybe I read things wrong. At least, there's time to rest and possibly run to the goods tables and back when the comedians come on.
It's just too bad that no one that interests me too much is going to be in the lobby when hy4_4yh is on. They're not particularly terrible but, I don't get what the big deal is either.
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As far as I understood, those photo sets were only for sale at some fan club event?
Anyway, I kind of appreciate hy4_4yh, as I have seen them before Bellring Girls Heart at TIF. At least it is something different and widens the scope of idol music.
Anyone else performing that day, you want to meet in the lobby? ;)
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akasaka halloween was superb as expected. had priceless interactions with lyrical school and hime kyun, nyansan for the fucking first time ever waved to me during the concert (a friend told me it's probably because she didn't recognize me with the mask, otherwise she wouldn't give a shit to me as usual "pfff that idiot again? when he'll stop following me?" =P ) and I almost caught some signed balls. almost. :cry:
MVP of the night goes to charge-san (from up up girls). she put a candy in her breasts and threw it later to the audience. I'd kill an army to have that :fap
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oh let me actualize the list of incoming festivals:
-november 6-8 Moshi Moshi Nippon Festival
-november 7 Live Plus
-november 8 Girl-Pop Japan
-november 8 Akiba Idol Festival vol.14
-november 14 Live Plus
-november 15 Uchuu X Nihon X Akihabara vol.9
-november 22 @Jam the Field vol.8 (probably the best one, sucks I'll have to work that day...)
I find strange that still not a single big festival announced to the end of the year
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So the goods and tokuten were outside in portable buildings outside which makes more sense. PASSPO ran past me before the event started for their photo session. Too bad that's probably the last that anyone not in their fan club would see of those outfits since some of them were pretty awesome (Aipon as Captain America, Yukki as Black Widow, Anya as Thor, Naomi as Hawkeye) but others not so much. Still, if they ever decided to do a Halloween live, that would be great. Maybe they'll be some left over?
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Not a festival as such but I'm pissed that tickets for the Billie Idle event was instantly sold out I really wanted to go to that :(
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Idol Koushien has now established a Premium version of shows. Anyone know what it means exactly?
http://idolkoushien.com/schedule/premium/ (http://idolkoushien.com/schedule/premium/)
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Went to Moshi Moshi Nippon in Tokyo yesterday. Annoyed that I missed Upga and Nijicon and BPM 15Q because I was late and almost half of the opening at the main stage was shamisen/shakuhachi instead of Dempagumi right away. Had I known, I probably would have skipped the "cool Japan" part and been able to see them all.
Aside from some idiots throwing cyalumes and other stuff not allowed (that were probably at Banmon Fes too because they wear matching shirts!), it was not bad. Might go back to see KPP just because I've never seen her before...
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apparently it`s just a way to differentiate their main events from the smaller/preliminary ones. like, you should expect to see bigger names participating in the "premium" events and obscure groups in the rest.
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Competition through festivals seems to be much less than it was last year. I already mentioned the decline of Idol Koushien dates in Tokyo area. It was unimageable that an idol festival mid-week would be sold out. But now the Koushien scheduled to be held on Decembre 30 was not only getting sold out in the pre-order phase, but even for common sale the tickets were sold out in just a few hours.
It is really kind of a shock for me as I wanted to attend the show for featuring many of the groups I like. On another note it seems idols expand their shows more extensively in Aichi/Kansai area, with lots of groups helding shows in Osaka, Nagoya etc.
(This is just an observation from an oversea fan. So please don't put me down, if I happened to be wrong ;) )
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I blame BiSH for it selling out, also if the pre-order/lottery sells out it's a sure sign that the concert will sell out quickly in the public sale.
And yeah this weekend a lot of groups have been in Osaka but there is a big festival tomorrow http://akibaidolfestival.com/12-13%E9%96%8B%E5%82%ACaif_vol15%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB (well big in the number of groups, it isn't exactly the most famous groups around) I might go and just stay at one stage since I only know groups from that stage anyway (I like DISDOL, Hauptharmonie and Bashful Pony).
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BiSH is there? I only had eyes for my fave group :roll:
But this means stupid fans in masses, as PassCode will be there too... :smhid
Anyway if that is the reason, what is so different about BiSH, that fans need to desperately go there in such amount?
The Osaka festival really has a lot of small groups. Only Chubbiness is larger (realized the pun? :lol: ).
I can recommend Seishun Gakuen. The lives are much fun.
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I should be pissed on missing the ticket to this Idol Koushien, since several acts I like will be there too but...
given the inevitable presence of trash wotas, since some groups will be there, I guess I can consider myself lucky on escaping from the shithole that Blaze will turn into. :roll:
anyways your point is valid, wattstax. and it kinda explains why Koushien sold out. not so many options around this year. wotas wouldn't be so concentrated around one or two festivals.
edit: around that time, two days earlier (28th) there will be an interesting medium sized festival called Idol Daikanshasai 2015 at Tsutaya O-East, with Chu-Z, Houkago Princess, Level7, Akishibu Project, Elfloat, Festive and others.
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BiSH, PassCode, JuJu, Festive, BellHa, Kamiyado...it will be overrun! Feel bad for the groups with actual decent human beings who like them and don't just go to be jackasses. Doesn't help that BLAZE is probably too small for that kind of event.
Link for Idol Dai-Kanshasai (12/28)
http://girlsbomb.com/2015.12.28.html (http://girlsbomb.com/2015.12.28.html)
Less possibility for trash wota based on the lineup but it is cheap.
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^ I would rather go to a festival with groups that I really like and deal with the idiots than going to that other thing mainly consisting of groups that play every day anyway.
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Seeing this idiotic behaviour from a far is still quite amusing to me. But it disables regular fans to enjoy the performance and makes it impossible to stay near the stage for fear of becoming a colletoral damage.
The other event seems decent. Been long since I saw Stella Beats and Ready to Kiss. Jelno is the new AJ group of Kotoka? And of course Chu-Z - always worth a trip. But in general I can't stand watching dozen of unknown groups anymore so I prefer the Koushien Line-Up.
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one more big festival appears: Idol Content Expo at january 4th, at Tsutaya O-East. with Afilia Saga, Lovely Doll, Houkago Princess, You Kikkawa, Chu-Z, Festive, Petit Pas!, Callme, Akishibu Project, FYT, Luce Twinkle Wink and more.
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Too bad I'm going home on the 4'th :/
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another big festival to look for: january 11th (a monday, but holiday in Japan. though I'll have to work that day :cry: ) at Shin Kiba Studio Coast. Girls Bomb festival with a shitload of groups. pretty much all the smaller groups of Kanto area will attend it. most notable names will be Kamen Joshi, Chu-Z, Idol College and Drop. this will be a very special day since it will mark the return of Tsuki to Taiyou. :twothumbs
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Link for the event: http://girlsbomb.com/2016.1.11.html (http://girlsbomb.com/2016.1.11.html)
Is it a return or relaunch? Thought I read somewhere it's going to be all new members.
http://youtu.be/g7H-Lj3ldAM
1/11 = Coming of Age Day so expect to see a lot of young women in furisode! Even if you're working or not in Japan, there should be a fair share of pics on the Internet that day/week!
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The line-up has some nice surprises. Haven't heard from Yururirapo for a while. Otherwise a lot of the regular upcoming groups that appear nowadays at Girl's Bomb, like Festive.
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Thought I read somewhere it's going to be all new members.
no way that happens, since the three remaining girls are still active on twitter, linked to the group and posting photos together recently, anxious for the return to stages. Specially my lovely Natsumi :wub:
apparently there will be two new members, though I think they could continue as a trio perfectly fine. damn, they could continue even as Next Shojo, with only one girl (Natsumi ofc) for all I care. :lol:
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despite the trash wotas presence, the big Koushien festival was very nice. several acts that I like, several idols that I could see/meet for the first time...
Lyrical School and Party Rockets GT had nice shows below average fanservice/activities. thanks to wattstax met with Arisa from PiiiiiiiN for the first time and damn, those puppy eyes are just :heart:
and the biggest show for me: Mari Mizuta. I liked her as Izukoneko. I liked her, a little less maybe, as pla2me. but damn, now as herself she is just... the best thing ever. :bow: one of my best interactions till now, she was just... a talking machine, had to cut it otherwise we would stay there forever rofl she is so fucking lovely and funny, I just can't understand how it took so long for me to finally talk with her. since she doesn't have agency or manager nowadays, she does all by herself. you just stop by her goods stand and start talking freely with her. THIS is real fanservice (reminded my good old days with BiS when they were an obscure group and I'd talk freely with Pour Lui) and a real idol. I'm really amazed by her effort put in all this, specially since she lives in Osaka and has to always carry those stuff alone through everywhere.
yeah, to summarize this day will be remarked in my memory as the day I became enamored with Mari. :lol:
ps: met with rezar for the first time. he is actually a nice guy, not the dumb dude I imagined from his posts in this forum. :P
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Mari is definitely awesome. Still annoyed with myself for not seeing her new solo project or mtopi yet.
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ps: met with rezar for the first time. he is actually a nice guy, not the dumb dude I imagined from his posts in this forum. :P
Thanks.... I guess :angry:
Yeah it was a great little festival, got some nice semi-drunken chekis with a couple of girls, I actually managed to smile in them unlike my previous ones, I particularily like the one I got with Ayaka (Lyrical School).
And the Baseball girls remembered my name which I thought was pretty nice considering it was two weeks ago I met them. (unfortunately I couldn't watch Piiiiiiin because of the scheduling, but I'll see them at the one-man on the 3'rd).
About the "trash wotas" I barely noticed them, I've seen much worse on my trip.
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Wow, the TIF festival 2016 will be held from August 5 to 7. That is right - 3 days!
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From the
venue Hospitality further enhance Idol product sales-handshake meeting that its many, rest space and installation for the intense heat measures, such as the expansion of the food space, we will create an environment that the customer can enjoy the TIF2016 more comfortable.
That all sounds nice, I might consider going. :cow:
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if they were to REALLY 'create a better environment', they'd relocate that fucking festival to Makuhari Messe, with all stages mounted inside the halls.
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The intentions sound good - for both idols and fans. I remember Annya of Passpo tweeting something in summer as well, that she wishes cooler places for the events. I could imagine something like Doll Factory acting as event area. In my opinion it would just be enough, to shadow the Marketing Square/Greeting Area. Put the food court right next to it. I can't imagine a suitable venue in the vicinity which could accomodate it all. And to be true, meeting the idols outside in the wide area that is Marketing Square would be impossible to recreate in any indoor venue, even Zepp Diver City.
But let's be honest here: TIF managemant doesn't want to improve in quality, but quantity. I am sure of it. Prolonging the festival to 3 days will allow them to invite 200 groups or more, instead of making the individual sets longer and the way between the stages shorter/less frequent. I am also afraid of them adding additional venues again which are far outside, like Venus Fort or Zepp Tokyo.
btw Tsutomo, what you mentioned was my idea I told you back then ;) It would be the best solution. Kinda like @JAM, but wider.
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I wish the Japanese realized that benches and chairs exist!
(yes I know there are like 8 benches in the area but seriously)
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If things go the way they have been, 1/4th of the 200 groups they invite will be pretty much unknown but probably have some agency/Fuji TV connections.
If the idols who appeared on Idol Summit were any indication of who will be invited, looks like Kamiyado might break in to those ranks? BiSH and POP won't be back but maybe Maison book girl or BILLIE IDLE could get invited? PassCode will probably be back despite attracting one of the most dangerous crowds.
How about the organizers not put those groups on the stage near Gundam or Fuji TV? Oh yeah, it's because no one actually puts any thought into the timetables. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it's probably not a good idea to have groups that have wild fans or attract trashy wota to perform right next to a shopping center or TV station.
Saw construction of a big dome taking place out in the lot past where the Marketing Square/Greeting Area was. If they could use that, it would save a lot of people.
Either way, adding another day to an event that's mostly outdoors during the hottest month of the year and spreading out in Odaiba, which has no shade, is kind of cruel, especially when the organizers don't want the fans to do anything but just stand there. Guaranteed some idiots are gonna do dumb stuff in the free areas again.
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yea, the free areas... Don't talk about it.
I have nothing against the groups of BiSH or PassCode calibre, but they should just perform indoors -so no idiots there who come for free- and they should have ALL their performances on this one stage, nothing else. Name could be "Danger Zone" or something.
About chairs: I don't mind having none. I always have a plastic bag with me to sit on it on the grass. It is the shadow that is missing.
Any ideas how they could do the festival in Odaiba without the regular crowd and tourists in the mix? Saw the dome thingy, but isn't it too small for a stage? And I am sure they want to keep a lot of stages on the outside. I guess even the agencies want that so that passerbys will hear/see the groups (free advertising).
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Hello guys, so it seems you went to TIF a couple of times already. I was thinking of booking a trip to Japan for a month, for TIF (& Comiket). Do you think it's worth it? Or would there be other better idol festivals later this year? (Though it also depends of the lineup I guess, which we still don't have... according to the website, last year's seemed great).
Also, is there regular meetups with other wota foreigners for this one? I think I read something like that somewhere...
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My first trip to Japan was for TIF last year, and while did enjoy it I would frankly suggest you go to Japan at a time where it isn't extremely hot and humid (so not July/August).
There are many things to consider when going to something like TIF, even if there is 10 bands you really really like to see you will end up missing half of them because they play at the same time or you can't make it because they play at stages far apart.
There really wasn't any kind of meetup last year, some people randomly bumped into each other - I did meet up with a guy from reddit and with wattstax though.
My suggestion is to plan your trip around a group you really like instead, go for a one-man with them and the remaining days there will be plenty of idol concerts.
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Hello guys, so it seems you went to TIF a couple of times already. I was thinking of booking a trip to Japan for a month, for TIF (& Comiket). Do you think it's worth it? Or would there be other better idol festivals later this year? (Though it also depends of the lineup I guess, which we still don't have... according to the website, last year's seemed great).
Also, is there regular meetups with other wota foreigners for this one? I think I read something like that somewhere...
I've never been to TIF before, but from what I've read from people who went on this forum, and others who have been to both that and normal idol festivals/events... it seems a lot more worth to just go to the normal idol festivals/events. Basically what Rezar said in the post above. Personally I find the August weather in Japan unbearable. And an outside festival at that time sounds like a death trap. It also depends what idol groups you like... I think for some people a lot of their favourite groups go there and it suits them well (apart from the scheduling issues mentioned above) but for other people, there isn't really anyone there they follow.
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Thanks for the answers.
Yeah, I guess the heat can't be ignored. I'm actually somewhat new to the idol world (at least, real life idols) so I'm not too knowledgeable on the various idol fes/events.
My suggestion is to plan your trip around a group you really like instead, go for a one-man with them and the remaining days there will be plenty of idol concerts.
I think my problem would be finding them, I kind of have a hard time to get sources for this kind of infos - as the only group I've actively been following is AKB so far. Where do you guys go for that? (Sorry if it's going a bit off-topic)
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^ AKB are very unlikely to appear at TIF. Sometimes SKE or HKT do TIF. AKB do daily theatre shows which are very hard to get tickets to. Basically, if you apply for their shows everyday, I'd say expect to get a ticket once a month or worse... The bigger AKB concerts are easier to get tickets for... basically the bigger the concert the easier it becomes... if they do dome concerts nowadays you should be able to get tickets... AKB also do handshake events etc, the ones for spring/summer are currently on sale now. The thing is, with AKB, the application window for any event is only a few days long and it's all lottery based.
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Yup, I know AKB wouldn't be at TIF (actually I said AKB for the general 48G, but I like HKT a lot more, so that would've been fine if they appeared like last year)— but yeah, it does seem hard to get a theater ticket. If they ever have a dome concert toward the end of the year I'll think about it, are those lottery-based too or just first-come first-served? (I'm not too interested in handshakes though.)
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^ All AKB stuff is lottery nowadays. They tend to only do Domes in the summer. Either way, it's basically first round sales is fanclub members (which you can apply for online on the AKB website) and then second round is general sales. Nowadays all tickets are sold on https://ticket.akb48-group.com/
AKB generally follow the same pattern of releases/concerts etc every year so it's easy to predict roughly when each of their concerts are gonna be if you look at the last few years.
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Most events will be on sites like http://idolscheduler.jp/ (http://idolscheduler.jp/). Click the day, then go to イベント/ライブ (event/live), select your region and then click 絞り込み to narrow down your results otherwise you will even get things like TV and magazine appearances in your results. Although some events do fall between the cracks every now and then so follow the groups you're interested in on Twitter and maybe make a special list just for the members and staff accounts so you can check them faster.
I gave up on seeing AKB or any other 48 group in the theater because the ratio of people applying versus the amount of seats is too high! Joining the fan club didn't help at all. Maybe if you have someone you know who lives far from a theater, you can ask to use their address to apply to increase your chances slightly?
I'm thinking of checking this one out on January 24th at Shinjuku Re:NY - IDOLidge Carnival
Here's the timetable for that. 3,500 presale and 4,000 at the door with the obligatory 1 drink charge.
16:00～16:15 閃光ロードショー
16:15～16:30 HOT HEAT HEAT GIRLS
16:30～16:45 Hauptharmonie
16:45～17:00 まねきケチャ
17:05～17:25 神宿
17:25～17:45 虹のコンキスタドール
17:45～18:00 Girls Beat!!（加護亜依/姫乃稜菜/百瀬ゆい）
18:05～18:25 小桃音まい
18:25～18:50 palet
18:50～19:15 妄想キャリブレーション
19:20～19:35 FYT
19:35～19:50 P.IDL
19:50～20:10 drop
20:15～20:35 GALETTe
20:35～20:55 POP
21:00～21:20 バクステ外神田一丁目
21:20～22:00 BELLRING少女ハート
I am already imagining how chaotic the tokuten/goods area will be because the lobby is tiny!
Here's the tokutenkai/goods schedule too!
16:30～17:30
【A】閃光ロードショー
【B】HOT HEAT HEAT GIRLS
17:00～18:00
【C】Hauptharmonie
【D】まねきケチャ
17:30～18:30
【A】（神宿）
18:30～19:30
【B】虹のコンキスタドール
【C】Girls Beat!!（加護亜依/姫乃稜菜/百瀬ゆい）
【D】小桃音まい
19:00～20:00
【A】palet
19:30～20:30
【B/C/D】妄想キャリブレーション
20:30～21:30
【A】FYT
【B】P.IDL
【C】drop
20:30～21:15
【D】BELLRING少女ハート（事前物販）
21:30～22:30
【A】GALETTe
【B】POP
【C】バクステ外神田一丁目
22:00～22:45
【D】BELLRING少女ハート
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@Kayseur
Well, I would agree with everything mentioned here but have to state one thing: Beyond the heat TIF is still one of my greatest idol experience I had. My view may be subjective, but I like the Odaiba area, the big Market Square, the several stages, food stands, ice cream parlours and that the majority of idol groups I like are present and run around there freely.
If you can manage to go there and as you stated you liked the line-up from last year, you should give it a try. BUT: The heat is a big issue and I won't recommend you for staying a whole month in Japan during this season. YOu basically won't have any motivation to do sightseeing, shopping, whatever. I basically spent my days around TIF at other (indoor) idol events, hence escaping the sun.
Meeting up people there is difficult during the event, as everyone has a different schedule, if your tastes aren't similar. So the best options would be at the Market Square or in the evening after the shows. But at that time all you care about may be, where to find the next shower :lol: and as it is in Odaiba, you have to avoid missing the last subway.
Therefore my suggestion for you: Take a shorter trip and keep an eye on the website. TIF promised a lot of changes. Maybe they really improve on some issues (though I doubt it).
And otherwise I recommend the @JAM Expo end of August. It is indoors, several stages, featuring most of the idols that are also present at TIF, and when you prolong your vacation into Septembre, the weather gets more comfortable by day.
@mixedmedia
Intersting Line-Up. Then you can tell me about how GALLETTe (and Akari) is faring nowadays ;)
But the lobby will be already occupied by the members of バクステ外神田一丁目. Good luck then :P
I also wonder about the amount of fans present there. As it is a sunday I would even expect it to be sold out.
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@mixedmedia: Thanks for the link, seems nice. Does look like there's always something to see. Making a twitter list for staff account isn't something I had thought about, I'll probably do that.
@wattstax: Yeah I already went to Japan once and spent a day in Odaiba, it certainly is a nice area, probably one of my favorite for various reasons. Actually, I was there in July two years ago, and it's true sightseeing was hard to do when it was hot — shopping was quite fine thanks to the air conditioning though, as long as I wasn't going out. :lol:
I think I'd rather have a month, first trip was 3-weeks-long and even that felt a bit short. But I'll keep an eye out for @Jam Expo, it does look pretty good! Plus if I extend into September, I'll get to go to the Tokyo Game Show, which is a fine tradeoff to Comiket. Hopefully they won't be too late to post the lineup. Thanks!
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The other thing I'd bear in mind when booking trips, is that there are a lot more idol events on at weekends. But also this extends to public holidays. So it's worth looking at the Japan public holiday dates, cuz your trip may overlay or be close to one/some.
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since I don`t want to repeat what others said, I`ll just ask if you have gone to a Comiket before or will be your first time too?
becuz there is nothing closer to hell than a Comiket, believe me. that shit is always so crowded you can`t even walk around. and with the most disrespectful and creepy otakus you`ll find, bumping on you all the time, throwing trash everywhere... the only time I went it sucked so much! and that was when the attendance wasn`t as big as nowadays...
so I`d say that, if you can manage to go (and enjoy!) a Comiket... well, then TIF downsides certainly are no problem for you. :lol: nothing in TIF compares to a freaking Comiket, so you should definitely go there specially you are not into obscure groups and hardcore wota antics yet. in TIF you should be able to see all the most popular groups, from a safe distance and for free if you only go to the free areas/stages.
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^ when reading most of tsutomos posts you would think he's an obnoxious asshole but he's actually a really nice guy :)
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@tsutomo: Haha no, I've never been to a Comiket yet but I did hear lots of people saying the same thing. I just wanted to experience hell myself, at least once. Though with everything people said I'm getting more interested in @JAM, smaller/regular lives & cooler time periods. I'll probably let the lineups decide in the end, giving me at least another month of reflexion.
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DO NOT SPEND THE ENTIRE MONTH OF AUGUST IN JAPAN! The humidity makes it nearly impossible to want to do anything.
TIF is good if you want to see more popular groups like HKT and SKE mixed in with groups you may have never heard of and whatever new Hello Pro or Stardust groups there are. HKT48 was there 3 years in a row and SKE48 came back for their 2nd time last year. Both performances were early in the day since Kawaei's graduation concerts at Saitama Super Arena were the same weekend.
@JAM is better if you don't want to roast in the sun for 3 days and get everything done in 1 day. Biggest performers for 2015 were Ebichu, Sakura Gakuin, SUPERGIRLS, GEM, Dempagumi, PASSPO, Cheeky Parade, etc. JKT48 was there in 2014. Good thing about @JAM is that it's indoors but one of the stages is a big pain to try to get into (Pineapple) since it's outside Yokohama Arena and way too small! But that's where the organizers have the live webcast usually. Unless you're a hardcore fan, save an hour or two in line and go see someone else.
@wattstax: I think it's funny how GALETTe and POP will be in the lobby at the same time since the last time I saw GALETTe (in August) Nonoko and Yui "fished" me super hard but I haven't seen them since. At the same time, due to Saki's previous hiatus, I got more into the new members of POP and had some good interactions with Maaya and Ao (Saki is always awesome) recently. I was just imagining me going to see Nonoko and her asking me "who did you come to see?" because I can't say "I came to see you!" like last time if right after I go and see POP. Maybe it's only funny to me? Sorry.
Akari's hair isn't growing out fast enough! I hate that she cut it so short for their official picture! She looks like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber! Reina was pretty awesome as far as I recall.
Looks like Bellha will be in the lobby before and after their set which adds to the chaos.
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when reading most of tsutomos posts you would think he's an obnoxious asshole but he's actually a really nice guy
that's simply not true. I'm totally obnoxious... specially becuz I like that word so much, it sounds so... blasé. :lol: probably my second favorite word after rendezvous. :lol:
and I don't like being a nice guy. I prefer the ruthless prick role, always. #lifehasmademedisway #bricktop4prez #womanlikeithard
:grin:
you should go to a big festival like @jam and on the following days, search some events with the groups that attracted more you there. as someone said, there's always a dozen or more idol events around Tokyo every day, even on ordinary weekdays. and don't worry the japanese fans will help you out, they are always very nice to foreigners coming to see small groups. :) wotas are not so bad as portrayed on the web. unless you are talking about me. :P
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I am finally able to manage trips to Japan in spring and autumn this year. I expected so much more living and leisure quality.
@mixedmedia
I understand your dilemma, lol. My suggestion: Talk to Nonoko first and tell her casually that you have to talk with POP for some reason, but you will come back later again. If it doesn't work out in the end, blame the organisation :lol:
I still haven't seen GALETTe perform. But I would love too, especially in regards to Akari, to see if I can still like her. So far the events they are at never have groups I like with them.
And don't get me started on idol hair cuts. Most recent "shock" was Rizu from PiiiiiiiN. When I think back, Akari's hair was so perfect during Kasabuta release. Now I have to agree with you, not only cutting her bangs but overall making it shorter. I doubt though, that she really wants to grow out her hair some time soon.
I am sorry for you because of Bellring. Even as a big fan of them I can see how they trouble others. For me it would be perfect though :P Worth would be a group like JyuJyu - so many fans, but still so much time to talk with them, that the queue seems endless.
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IDOLidge Carnival was good except for the garbage wota causing problems for security and other true fans. There was almost a fight with a Kamiyado fan and there were definitely come scuffles with security tonight. I left during the middle of Bellha because I was over it. I gave up trying to see Nonoko or POP as soon as I saw the lines in the lobby. Sorry.
GALETTe was great even though Saki wasn't there. I did my best to watch Akari when I wasn't looking at Nonoko and she seemed to be doing well. Her hair is growing out slowly. She might be going for the Waki Akari (TPD) or Arai Manami (Upga) look now? For the new outfits she's the only one with shorts.
I want to like Bellring based on their music, but they definitely attract garbage wota. I feel bad for drop charging only 2,000 yen for their tour final at Shinagawa Stellar Ball. I predict much trash wota will show up there too. I don't hate them, but they're definitely popular more because of their looks/personality rather than their musical talent.
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Skipping the events is understandable with that amount of fans (and garbage in the audience :banghead:). Did that too sometimes. Sad though that you left. Was interested in your solution of the Nonoko "problem" ;)
Can not deny that groups like Bellha attract trash wotas. I don't really no drop, just that they are colourful (comparable to Kamiyado?). 2,000 Yen is really a bargain, which can result in problems.
And thanks for the details on GALETTe. I really appreciate it. If Akari wants to go that route, she clearly has bad taste :P
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Looks like the @JAM Expo will be two-days long this year and be held at the Makuhari Messe instead of the Yokohama Arena. And it'll take place late September, on the 24th et 25th. That sounds good.
http://tokyogirlsupdate.com/atjam-natalie-expo-20160277697.html
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Wow. 2 Days, at Makuhari Messe and not in summer, but end of Septembre. Sounds so much better than TIF now.
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Based on this alone, @JAM has pulled way ahead of TIF for sure! I get the sneaking suspicion that TIF doesn't care about putting on a good event as long as they can keep claiming that they're the biggest even if they have to pull some shenanigans like having it at the same time as their Fuji TV summer events, which make it easier to inflate the numbers.
Having all those free areas attracts people too even if they're the wrong kind of people (trash wota). Having seen a bunch of them at last year's @JAM, I expect them to be there again but nowhere near as bad as TIF.
Hopefully this means no more ridiculously tiny stages like Pineapple Stage where they try to pack Budokan/Zepp level groups into a 200-person tiny live house. Found the site for the place that they used for Pineapple stage: http://ns-beach.com/ (http://ns-beach.com/)
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@Jam producers deserve :bow:
the event, the way it was being done (at Yokohama Arena), was already a lot better than TIF, all things considered. now... the comparison just gets ridiculous. TIF is reduced to ashes. a two days event at Makuhari (I always said TIF should realize their festival there... too late, folks!) is the best setup possible. Makuhari has plenty of space to build a dozen small stages and still let people walk with no difficulties around, all while protected from the sun or rain. if they manage to get some big names this year (48 groups or Stardust), they may very well surpass TIF in attendance, despite no free stages and "viewers inflation" tactics by the producers.
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New Side Beach was the Pineapple Stage? :shocked Now I understand the criticism.
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Went to Gyu-No Fes at Shin-Kiba 1st Ring and aside from it being pretty cold waiting outside between the 1st and 2nd shows and people getting a little too crazy during Bellring, it was a nice pair of mini-festivals in a wrestling ring. As much as people love BELLRING, I'm still trying to figure them out. Zekkyo 60-do was amazing though! I'm disappointed in myself for not standing in line so I could have Kai step on me or something and take a cheki. Next time!
I am worried about the next event in that series since it will be at Shin-Kiba Studio Coast and have Maneki Kecha in the lineup as well as several super cheap tickets being sold which will definitely attract some trashy people. But at the same time, BiSH, Maison book girl, sora tob sakana, POP, Afilia, etc. are also in the lineup...
Valentine's Day even in Shibuya tomorrow at 3 different venues! http://www.idolidge.com/schedule.cgi/view/84 (http://www.idolidge.com/schedule.cgi/view/84)
I'm probably not going to go though.
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Interesting you still go to such lives. I would think twice visiting a festival that is infamous for its free attitude to "expressive" fan behaviour.
Regarding Bellring: You either hate or love them, I guess. With me it helped liking their 60's influences and that it was the first group which made me experience how great a tokutenkai could be.
Your Zekkyou comment will bring joy to one user here ;) Me on the other hand can't get them.
I like a lot of the recent Idol Koushien line-ups nowadays. Some nice rately seen additions like Doll Elements.
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From yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZTXXpoBbAw
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From what I have experienced at the events that Gyuzo puts on, things never get too out of hand and it's a nice mix of groups. I think it's other events where they just seem to try to cram as many groups as possible together that are a problem, especially when they don't have enough security to put people in their place when they're being stupid and causing problems.
I definitely hear the 60's influences in BELLRING's music but haven't listened to them enough to have anything major click yet. POP gave the best performance I have ever seen! Both Kai and Montero were not feeling well but, when they were in the ring, it wasn't noticeable at all. Was really impressed how often Kai was up on the top of the turnbuckle of the ring singing her heart out. Montero had a mask on and looked a little out of it when I walked past them at the tokutenkai. Guso drop was pretty nice too.
Stereo Tokyo's performance. Idols you can dance with!
http://youtu.be/vWMvj4nlREs
Koi Suru Beat's performance.
http://youtu.be/bUKu6l4Dm3I
Kakumei Idol Bousou-chan. Freaking Cirque de Soleil!
http://youtu.be/-bIUbeZvURE
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Zekkyo 60-do was amazing though! I'm disappointed in myself for not standing in line so I could have Kai step on me or something and take a cheki. Next time!
Valentine's Day even in Shibuya tomorrow at 3 different venues! http://www.idolidge.com/schedule.cgi/view/84 (http://www.idolidge.com/schedule.cgi/view/84)
I'm probably not going to go though.
Nice!
GRAZIE are releasing their new CD at that Idolidge event. The CD sold at buppan has a different b-side than the one they'll see on their website, so I hope it's not limited just to this event.
Your Zekkyou comment will bring joy to one user here ;) Me on the other hand can't get them.
I'm Montero oshi in Zekkyou though... only spoke to Kai once, she totally trolled me with opening "sorry, I don't speak British English". "oh, what do you speak then?" "I only speak American English". Dammit Kai.
Both Kai and Montero were not feeling well but, when they were in the ring, it wasn't noticeable at all. Was really impressed how often Kai was up on the top of the turnbuckle of the ring singing her heart out. Montero had a mask on and looked a little out of it when I walked past them at the tokutenkai. Guso drop was pretty nice too.
Montero's always wearing a mask though. But yeah, I heard she was a bit ill. Their schedule is kindof nuts at the moment, and they are starting a new regular Tokyo live... where doors open at 5am on a Monday morning... it's going to be nuts. I'm gonna try and make the first one the morning after the last Lolisyn live, but dunno if gonna make it. Montero still has one of my chekis that I have doubts I'll ever get back though...
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Tsutomo pointed out to me the Idol Koushien on March 21st. Interestingly at Shinkiba Studio Coast with over 100 groups. The Line-up is decent, despite a lot of unfamiliar names.
http://idolkoushien.com/special/index/20160321/lineup/ (http://idolkoushien.com/special/index/20160321/lineup/)
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^ I'll go opposite to our twitter conversation then, and say this one looks almost perfect:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbZ6PY9UkAAMb9N.jpg)
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Each his own, lol. The worst though: Neither of us can go...
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I want to go, it's so boring where I live :/
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It is Denmark :P You could join the recent immigration flood though, just in another direction :lol:
You will be back in Japan very soon. Enjoy the anticipation until then with DVDs, Youtube, new albums, schedule making, Blog writing (:P),...
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wait a minute, Rezar is from Denmark?!? I thought he was american! :huhuh damn, my blog post is wrong then... but I'm too lazy to edit it, whatever :P
anyway, I'm pretty sure the place where he lives is... this forum, because he entered so much time later than us and see his posts count! rofl the man has no other thing to do in life other than post here :P
on topic: Yatsui Festival this year will once again have several idol acts. already guaranteed are Lyrical School, Negicco and Tokyo Joshiryuu. event will take place on june 18-19.
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...he entered so much time later than us and see his posts count! rofl the man has no other thing to do in life other than post here :P
Sad but true :P
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This sounds interesting.
http://www.qetic.jp/life-fashion/icondolllounge-160218/175401/ (http://www.qetic.jp/life-fashion/icondolllounge-160218/175401/)
Not sure about the fashion show part though.
Denpagumi Inc. will appear as main act, whereas the Line-Up so far is (copy/paste):
ベイビーレイズ JAPAN、妄想キャリブレーション、乙女新党、ゆるめるモ！、GEM、BELLRING 少女ハート、PiiiiiiiN、神宿、プティパ-petit pas!-、椎名ぴかりん、PassCode
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wait a minute, Rezar is from Denmark?!? I thought he was american! :huhuh damn, my blog post is wrong then... but I'm too lazy to edit it, whatever :P
Read it.... WTF, all the insults - weeaboo, lolicon, AMERICAN :banghead:
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Be merciful. Tsutomo is a sad existence, who has no other joy in live. :lol:
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I have to come here and say I'm really really sorry, Rezar. plz forgive me. calling you an american is definitely harsh and totally undeserved, I admit. I wouldn't want anyone of my family or close to me to be called such a thing.
Be merciful. Tsutomo is a mad existence, who has no other treatment in life other than worshiping some stupid idols.
FTFY
more off-topic: PiiiiiiiiN individual accounts? is this an evil plan to hook me in? puppy eyes Arisa is the girl with the fewer followers (aka a perfect Tsutomo oshimen)??? fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
even more off-topic: do someone here likes Zenbu Kimi no Sei da? just heard their recently released album and it is surprisingly very good. I'm thinking about seeing them live someday, though dunno why they only appear few times in idol festivals... :?
some on-topic: the festival wattstax made reference is the Idol Koushien Festival 2016, which will happen on march 21st at Studio Coast. right now, 101 groups confirmed, including the likes of Passpo, Party Rockets GT, Predia, Lyrical School and Dorothy Little Happy. and a lot of obscure idols as Irori Maeda and re-2. I'll do my best in order to get a day off at work so I can see this. better than this shit, only @jam Expo.
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tsutomo, all that off-topic :doh: And I wonder what QwiksXnd would say about your Anti-American comment :P
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you point to my off-topic post making a 100% off-topic post. nicely done, bro. :P
(http://i.imgur.com/KjLoW7T.gif)
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Is anyone interested in a new TIF thread? I don't plan to go this year, so I wouldn't mind discussions here.
The first participants were announced and one version(?) of the official Shirt.
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Didn't make it to Idol Koushien in time to see Musubizm, Puchi PASSPO, sora tob sakana, FESTIVE, or Tsuyogari Sensation but I did finally get to see Mizuta Mari and talk to her! Her solo songs are what Pla2me were. Janne Maria were playing while I was waiting in line for her and they covered X Japan's "Kurenai" and were doing backflips and stuff all over the stage!
DLH > callme forever until the end of time. "Demo Sayonara" > any and all songs callme will ever release.
KOTO is amazing!
I watched FRUITPOCHETTE (Azuma Shiori by herself pretty much) for a bit then went to see Iketeru Hearts since I know a lot of overseas fan love them. I can see why now. There's something endearing about them, possibly even more so than Afilia Saga.
Nama Ham to Yaki Udon were awesome as always. I think there were a lot of other idols who came to watch them too. What other idols can talk about toilet humor and make it entertaining? If you don't understand Japanese, you probably won't understand their greatness though.
YamaKatsu only had 5 members today. I still have no impression of the new members of palet either.
I missed out on BELLRING and am pretty disappointed in that. I'll see them soon enough though.
Saw Morishi, Naomi, and Yukkii on the side during palet. Waved at Morishi and she waved back. Yukkii didn't see me so I forgive her. No reaction from Naomi, which is proof why she isn't popular.
predia is so underrated!
PiiiiiiiN was a surprise for the last performer on the main stage. Went outside to see Zenbu Kimi no sei da but went back inside to watch PiiiiiiiN after about a minute. They were standing on the guardrail at the front of the stage and all the crazy people were lifting each other up and stuff.
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No reaction from Naomi, which is proof why she isn't popular.
:lol: Yukki is so much nicer, but even less popular. But I am glad Naomi isn't that negative only around me :D
Here is the link for the TIF line-up, if anyone is interested. Currently 51 groups announced.
http://www.idolfes.com/2016/lineup.html
Is there already a link for the @JAM in Septembre?
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I'm surprised callme became a thing at all. Mari and Kana were the best singers in DLH by far.
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I saw callme's first performance and was pretty underwhelmed and then they went and ripped DLH apart like they did. What is worse is that avex sided with callme and DLH went to a smaller label too. Reading the report about the graduation live, it was pretty uncomfortable since they were arguing on stage.
Even if Morishi had no idea who I was, she waved back and smiled. Naomi just gave me a look, like "who is that?".
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So POP/BiSH were invited for TIF this year, I'm a bit surprised.
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I'd love to see Maplez live before Akarin and Myon are gone. So many cool girls already graduated.
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So POP/BiSH were invited for TIF this year, I'm a bit surprised.
They redeemed themselves by running 100km marathons and banning lifting, lol.
It will be interesting to see if TIF will increase security or takes other measures to avoid misbehaviour from fans.
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This Idolpark really promises to be a great fes:
http://www.gmt-fes.com/sp/
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Sekigahara Idol Wars has posted their second set of group announcements. It's been extended to two days this time. The line-up is looking great. Could it end up having a better line-up than TIF?
(http://i.imgur.com/B4l9kH0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/IDOL_WARS_2016/status/720810315198255105
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Time Table for Idol Park is out.
Live
18:00～18:10 sora tob sakana
18:10～18:25 フィロソフィーのダンス
18:25～18:40 ぷちぱすぽ☆
18:40～19:00 Party Rockets GT
19:00～19:20 callme
19:25～19:45 lyrical school
19:45～20:05 PiiiiiiiN
20:05～20:30 LinQ
20:25～20:55 あゆみくりかまき
20:55～21:20 PASSPO☆
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Events
【A】18:15～18:45 sora tob sakana
【B】18:35～19:35 フィロソフィーのダンス
【C】18:50～19:50 ぷちぱすぽ☆
【A】19:10～20:10 Party Rockets GT
【B】19:35～20:35 callme
【C】19:55～20:55 lyrical school
【A】20:15～21:15 PiiiiiiiN
【B】20:40～21:40 LinQ
【C】21:05～22:05 あゆみくりかまき
【A】21:30～22:30 PASSPO☆
Very good. No interference for Party Rockets, neither Live nor Events. And PiiiiiiiN event is before Passpo, but offers only small timeframe before Ayumikurikamaki gets on stage. Event for the latter could become a bit tricky as well (between PiiiiiiiN and PASSPO).
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right now all my attentions are turned to the Idol Yokocho Natsu Matsuri 2016 that will take place on July 2nd and 3rd. (so happy to see that almost all the groups I like will appear exactly on the first day, the only one I`m attending...)
http://idolyokocho.com/summerfes2016/
I thought Idol Yokocho was broken and they would never make big festivals again but thanks God I was wrong. the lineup looks amazing already, just needs some more solo acts (yeah, I`m talking about Koto and Mari Mizuta).
bonus points for taking place in a different venue, the Yokohama Akarenga, rather than the usual Shin-Kiba Studio Coast. since it will be hot and it`s close to the sea, here`s me hoping some groups appear in disgusting bikinis for my viewing pleasure. :fap :fap :fap
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I don't get the website. Why are the idol groups listed in different blocks? Has it several stages?
Oh, and you will see bikinis. Just scroll down the site until the end ;)
Won't you go for Chu-Z One Man on July 3th? :P
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:? it is showing which days each group will participate. the gravure idols at the end will take part in some activities like photo sessions and handshakes, as always. it is a tradition already to have this different attraction every new "idol yokocho matsuri". pretty meh. only hikaru aoyama and megumi haruno (former mugen regina) are worth some interest, imo. the girls I want to see in bikinis are oppaipon, ayano, nanase and the likes. ;)
nope, too bad for them. festival with dozens of groups >>>>>>>> chu-z oneman. and i`ll already skip work at friday for the AOA oneman so no free day on sunday for me. of course AOA >>>>>>>>>> chu-z too. :P
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Ah, now at my PC I can see what they did: Groups that perform on both days, and groups that perform just on one day. On my mobile the translation tool desn't work. Could have guessed that myself :banghead:
Very nice line-up on the 2nd. I am slightly jealous.
On another note: The first groups were announced for @JAM. http://at-jam.jp/expo2016/ (http://at-jam.jp/expo2016/)
Party Rocket GT released first infos on ticket ordering:
http://ameblo.jp/partyrockets/entry-12163384872.html?timestamp=1464003577 (http://ameblo.jp/partyrockets/entry-12163384872.html?timestamp=1464003577)
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^ I thought @Jam already happened this weekend (it was on LINE LIVE), guess they hold multiple events.
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As far as I know in that case (which isn't much), there are 2 big festival in the year. The first around April/May, the second August/Septembre. The latter is the much bigger one. Last year with approx. 100 groups.
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@JAM 2016 is different than @JAM EXPO 2016. They hold a ton of events throughout the year. @JAM EXPO is going to be 2 days at Makuhari Messe in September. Based on the fact that the weather will be cooler and they'll have pretty much the same lineup (plus/minus a few groups) compared to TIF, @JAM EXPO is the one to go to for sure. @JAM the field, which happens like twice a year is generally a pretty awesome mini-fest that they do.
Tokyo Idol Festival is during the hottest time of the year, the stages are all over the place, and it feels like all the groups most people want to see are all performing at the same time!
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Idol Koushien continue to hold bigger festivals at Shinkiba Coast.
http://idolkoushien.com/special/index/20160626/lineup/ (http://idolkoushien.com/special/index/20160626/lineup/)
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I have a question, I saw on the @JAM expo website that the general sales for tickets open on the August 20th. I'll be in Japan only three days before the festival, on the 21. Should I go through a proxy to buy the tickets or, since it's a festival, it won't run out of stocks and I'll still be able to buy it at the last minute in a random lawson once I'm here? (Or maybe I can even buy them when arriving at the event 当日)
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Hm, I rather assume it will soon be sold out. Wasn't even TIF sold out last year?
As this time everything will be new (and probably better), I recommend you buying it beforehand.
No idea if they will offer special tickets for foreigners like TIF.
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The stage map for TIF is released. Some changes and a new stage.
(Sorry about the pic size. Have no idea how to make it smaller.)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkA8RmeVEAAzfbX?format=jpg&name=large)
Mod tip! You can change image size using height and width options in the img tag! eg/
[img height=400]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkA8RmeVEAAzfbX?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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@JAM expo is really tempting. Holy cow... Never seen concert VIP tickets cost that much.
It seems like a good time of year to be in Tokyo.
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For the prices of VIP tickets for @JAM EXPO, some food in addition to drinks would be nice. Hopefully, access to the VIP areas for the other stages that will have them will be easier to get to and from. Seemed like Yokohama Arena only had 2 main doors for people to go to and from the Strawberry Stage and from what I saw of the stage on the top floor, there was only one small door. I'll be a whole new venue since it'll be Makuhari Messe.
Main issue so far that I can think of is how crappy the train station is out there and transferring to the Keiyo line at Tokyo station.
At least Hot Stage is indoors this year and not in the middle of that Fuji TV summer area? My Navi stage was too far from everything else so it's kind of good it's gone? Still not a fan of Festival Stage being right at the entrance of the mall/in front of Gundam. Looks like they got rid of the other stage by Doll Factory too.
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Yep, At Jam is tempting. I wonder how the layout of the stages will turn out and if they are big enough. In that case VIP tickets wouldn't be necessarry if getting back and forth between stages will be easy. So far VIP tickets don't seem worth the price. I can get by without the centre area, especially if it is only limited to Strawberry stage. Those Meet&Greet Session should be something additional to the regular ones, I assume. So nice to have but not required. Further details are needed, especially regarding organisation issues.
Getting there really is restricted by the Keiyo Line. Or would the Sobu Line to Makuhari Hongo be a suitable option? 15 minute walk doesn't sound too bad.
So who is currently contemplating of going there?
About TIF:
Hot Stage should be in Zepp DiverCity again. Good choice.
My Navi Stage was further away, but it offered some shadow at certain times. I liked it. And I doubt the new Ship stage being that much closer.
Marketing Square is still not displayed. I wonder if TIF will really change it around, providing more sun shade and stuff for both idols and fans.
Of course Sky Stage still stands, with its crappy access.
I only noticed by your post that they got rid of Enjoy Stadium. Why? It was a good place too cool down.
In summary TIF has 6 stages now. In the light of the event going for 3 days this time it may be sufficient, if they don't get overboard with participating groups (probably will as they want to get over 200).
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Having been to Makuhari Messe for Tokyo Game Show twice, it's not just about getting to the area because then you have to climb up to the big overpass to cross the street to get there. It's kind of like going to Yokohama Arena but more complicated and longer. Looking at the map, it might be better to stay on until Makuhari if you take the Sobu?
I recall there was a VIP area for one of the other stages that were enclosed but the problem was that once the general area got crowded, going in and out from there was extremely inconvenient because there was only one entrance/exit at the back of the area. Hopefully, they have one set area for goods and handshakes/chekis. I never bother for @JAM EXPO since everyone is on a different floor at the same time as a group I want to see.
From what I remember, there was a stage there for a different event last year. Hopefully, there's some shade or something to keep people from melting out there. For Enjoy Stadium, I wonder if they got rid of it because it was a lot of trouble trying to control that many people? Either way, getting in and out of either of those places was BS. One door for each stage in rooms that could hold maybe 5-600 people in them. If there were separate exits, things wouldn't be so bad.
Checking to see how much a hotel will cost for both events just in case.
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It's far from certain in my case. Me and a friend are contemplating going to one of the two Babymetal Tokyo Dome gigs. What made it more tempting was @JAM expo being the following weekend. It'll depend if we can get tickets to BM, for a reasonable price, and also the @JAM lineup, which is very preliminary. I don't know how these things work, like if they keep adding groups to the lineup until the last minute. Hopefully we'll have a solid list soon.
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For me it is the Hacchake Tai One Man the weekend before that intrigues me. But one of my favourite idols has some health issues and so I maybe have to save my vacations days and money for a later date (graduation live in the worst case etc.)
But regarding the line-up: New additions should be announced every other week, similar to TIF, with the whole line-up being clear maybe one month before (end of August)? :?
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For me it is the Hacchake Tai One Man the weekend before that intrigues me.
Oh wow, didn't know that. I guess I'll be arriving a few days earlier if I decide to go.
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It's far from certain in my case. Me and a friend are contemplating going to one of the two Babymetal Tokyo Dome gigs. What made it more tempting was @JAM expo being the following weekend. It'll depend if we can get tickets to BM, for a reasonable price, and also the @JAM lineup, which is very preliminary. I don't know how these things work, like if they keep adding groups to the lineup until the last minute. Hopefully we'll have a solid list soon.
There's a bunch of public holidays either side of the BM TD shows, so chances are lots of idol events on :)
You should see here about the timeframes for the sales of the different types of Babymetal ticket: http://www.babymetal.jp/news/detail.php?id=418
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I've been trying to buy a TIF ticket from Rakuten and my credit card is being declined which I'm not that surprised by since they aren't asking for a CVV number which is basically required these days, also they don't ask for proof of address like they did last year, I wonder if they sell ANY tickets this way (yes I'm using the foreign ticket form).
And trying to get in touch with them is too complicated you have to fill out a form meant for Japanese people.
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^ I thought TGU was giving out free tickets to foreigners?
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Yeah but I think that's only one-day tickets, but I actually wrote to them and they said I didn't need to buy a ticket so I might get one from them.
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For TGU you were required to become a member though.
I don't know anyone who had bought tickets for TIF over Rakuten yet. Sorry.
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I bought a TIF ticket last year as I mentioned, there were no issue at all.
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Ok the guy I hung out with last year at TIF said he got his 3-day ticket from TGU, so I guess I'll get one in the next round as well (and save some money as well).
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Got it :)
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^ so I got my TIF voucher from TGU
Booked flight and decided on a hotel this time since I couldn't find a cheap Airbnb - the location of the hotel is pretty good for getting around since Hamamatsucho Station is close on top of that it's also close to Hinode station so I can get to TIF really fast.
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Is it the Chisun Hotel? ;)
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Yep.
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That one is nice. Stayed there 2 times, for my first TIF as well. Just use south(?)exit and follow the roofed walkway. Lawson and places to eat are just opposite of it. Hinode is best for going to Odaiba.
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I`ll just leave a link here because its awesomeness is self-explanatory http://idol-nation.com/
oh I see I made the right choice not going to TIF this year. they got rid of two stages to pick a new one... that is a lot further away. never change, TIF. never change... :lol:
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Idol-Nation? :yawn:
The amount of stages at TIF only matter if the prolongation to 3 days doesn't affect the tight performance schedules.
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I`ll just leave a link here because its awesomeness is self-explanatory http://idol-nation.com/
empty page!
Works when you add www in front.
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idol-nation: SKE and Takoniji are on avex...Upga is still on T-Palette right? For a second, I thought it was some weird way of announcing that they finally went major.
Probably best that they don't go to avex unless they can arrange to keep releasing as much video on YouTube as they do on their own channel. avex seems to have that BS "(short version) only" policy and they upload EVERYTHING to their one channel so it's impossible to find anything.
TIF: Hopefully, they relax the schedule a bit. With an extra day, there's no need to rush everything but, I wouldn't be surprised if they went and did something that made it even worse.
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No idea why I'm posting this now, but, for me, this kind of event like ロックの日 yesterday, has a far more appealing line-up than some of these big events.
(http://i.imgur.com/9zayfMw.jpg)
I think, the thing is, realistically, no matter how large the event is, in a day, you can only see so many groups, particularly if you want to participate in buppan for those groups, so if the bunch of groups who you follow all appear in one event, then that event is "perfect" for you. I find this often whenever I discuss events with different people. Eg/ I re-checked the line-up of TIF, and was like "oh yeah, this is actually a damn good collection of idol groups". But then was thinking of how many of the groups I actually follow etc are there, and pretty much none of them are... which then makes the event less "awesome!" and more "I'll just check out a bunch of groups who could be good, but I don't really know, but I'd rather see my favourite group(s) if they are performing". Which, I guess, is the point I'm trying to get across here. Which is, that most idol fans I've known, they pretty much just want to go to see their group which they follow, and don't really give too much of a shit about checking other groups. So what does this all mean when discussing different festivals?
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I am not sure if I understood the intention of your post right, so please correct me if I am wrong. You seem to "criticise" the line-up, but not the festival as such. Of course everyone favours different groups, so for me there is no point in arguing about it. What matters is that for yourself you find plenty of groups you like, to make you enjoy the day(s). Then thhe points you make are reasonable and also apply to me. (I am there for my favourite groups, not so much to see new ones.)
What I miss in your depiction is the atmosphere of a festival which makes them special compared to usual idol lives, like the one you posted. In my opinion those are too different to compare. As you had attended the festival at Mount Fuji you should know what I mean. Groups generally appear several times on EACH day, it is outside instead of a confined, closed up location, many stages, better event space in terms of space,...
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^ Not sure I had any real intention, just kinda rambled on. But yeah, you are right, maybe the point is not the exact line-up of the groups, per se, but the whole atmosphere and location and whatnot of a festival and all the things surrounding it. So those kindof aspects are the interesting thing about it. Gotcha :thumbsup
I think I'm often confused about what people call festivals as well, as things like the large Idol Koushiens at Studio Coast are somewhere in the middle between an outdoor festival and a normal kindof idol event with lots of groups (and perhaps multiple venues).
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True. The word festival for Idol Koushien and the like is not the best one. I just use it as the Japanese tend to call it that. There is also no equivalent in English I can think of. But only the likes of TIF are "real" festivals.
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They added some more names to TIF today, Jyujyu, Malcom Mask Maclaren are the ones I remember.
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Wow, JyuJyu gets a restart with new members?
Just read that NEU wilk be in it again. Yahoooo!
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She was always going to stay, ever since it was announced Shirai would leave they said they would add new members.
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I remember she said that. But you never know with idols. ;)
Found it strange as well that she did completely new solo songs. But nice to see that such intermediate actions are possible.
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Rezar, that link works just fine. it's you trying to access internet on a potato that is the problem. :P
rofl Up Up on Avex? I'd never fear about that, it's so random and unthinkable... at this point, I think they'll likely stay on a minor label till the very end of the group. anyways, I'd NEVER want to see a group I like signing with Avex again, after what happened with you-know-who.
wow gotta admit the new TIF announcement is pretty interesting. several interesting groups (as Ryutist, Tenkou Shojo and 2o Love) and a load of small quite unknown names. must be cool for them to participate in an "important" festival as this... btw what's that mixi kimidake thing? a separate stage inside the festival for those groups? if so, Level7 in is a nice addiction too. Oshirino :jerk:
on the festivals/lineups discussion, when I (talking very specifically about me now) talk about and compare festivals, I try to use common sense to define 'this is a good one' or not. not my personal taste. the festival may not have a single group I like, but if they have several relevant (sales and fanbase numbers wise) groups, the festival DO is a nice one. of course here and there I throw some quick tongue in cheek posts like that one about idol-nation, but if we are really into discussing it seriously, you should factor more the weight carried by the groups participating and not your personal taste. and I personally have no problem with the using of the word festival... the way I see, doesn't matter if it's indoor or outdoor, has one or seven stages, offers other activities or just the shows themselves... as long as the concert has four or more groups performing, I see it as a festival.
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Reading both the Japanese and English, I have no idea what the kimidake thing is because they didn't really say what they were going to have at TIF. So they have a special website and they will be having events but don't mention what those events could be. Typical press release in the style of "such and such group announced their new single/album" and that's all the news is.
Even with Idoling gone, Rurika, Yurika/Ruka's group, and Rena's new group got invited. Plus Umeko and Hitomi for something. Please don't let any of those groups perform before/after anyone I want to see otherwise the "ringers" will be camping out for hours!
I wonder who the "big name" guests are going to be this year. If things go as they have been the past few years, HKT and maybe SKE? NGT?
Off topic: Already mentioned why I dislike groups signing with avex but, any Sony label is also bad since they block access to all their content yet keep sending people to do overseas lives.
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Rezar, that link works just fine. it's you trying to access internet on a potato that is the problem. :P
It does now, it didn't at the time.
on the festivals/lineups discussion, when I (talking very specifically about me now) talk about and compare festivals, I try to use common sense to define 'this is a good one' or not. not my personal taste. the festival may not have a single group I like, but if they have several relevant (sales and fanbase numbers wise) groups, the festival DO is a nice one. of course here and there I throw some quick tongue in cheek posts like that one about idol-nation, but if we are really into discussing it seriously, you should factor more the weight carried by the groups participating and not your personal taste. and I personally have no problem with the using of the word festival... the way I see, doesn't matter if it's indoor or outdoor, has one or seven stages, offers other activities or just the shows themselves... as long as the concert has four or more groups performing, I see it as a festival.
Stop using common sense it confuses people :lol:
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But no matter how good a festival is organised or located and despite the inclusion of "important" groups: If I don't have much groups present there that I like, the festival itself is uninteresting to me. At least this was the basis for the discussion between me and Jul3rd: Comparing two festivals we could consider to attend.
Your point of view, Tsutomo, is still valid, as you view it from an objective standpoint, like for example we did in this thread when comparing TIF and @JAM.
The wording "festival" has a different association for me. In Japan I would mention Summer Sonic or Aomori Rock Festival as examples. The other regular idol events are something else. Also something that is held every other day and is basically a repeat of a show that happened just days before, loses its specialness and attraction (for me). Hence f.e. TIF is also different to evalute.
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hmmm maybe because english is not my native language and I live here, so the use of the word doesn't bugs me. like at all. maybe I'm simply used to it.
I comprehend your point of view but then, how would you call these other festivals (that you don't consider as festivals)? just "shows"? "gigs"? I dunno, I think it's easier this way it is... they already use the wording "teiki kouen" (regular show) for events that take part regularly like every week or month so they do have some separation between different kinds of shows out there...
you know what? the thing that really bothers me is when you have an one-man or two-man... but they decide to put another group out there (as opening act) so you have to endure it even if 1- you don't want 2- you didn't pay for it 3- you dislike that group 4- that kills your mood 5- it has almost no relation to the main group coming after. think about something like those Idol Renaissance shows before the Up Up - Lyrical School two-mans. THAT sucks.
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I think there are two problems (for me) here:
- festivals in Europe are associated mostly with outdoor concerts consisting of a hge number of groups. Often lasting several days and the possibility/requirement to sleep on the festival area. They last through the whole night, but this is not important here.
- The every week "teiki kouen" and regular "taiban" shows in a closed-up venue is not really a part of European music scene, at least not in the bigger public. At least I have no knowledge of those. Here shows with several groups would simply be called "Rock Night with..." or something.
It is not the word festival itself that bothers me, but more the fact that there is no clear distinction which leads to confusing discussions. It is no criticism for the event at all.
Two-Man, Three-Man and the like can be quite strange in their line-up, especially with idols. I assume this is in part due to the fact that many idol fans don't really seem to care about the music style, but instead only the girls appearances? My strangest Three-Man was with Maison Book Girl as Opening Act, and Rhymeberry, Bellring Girls Heart and Moso Calibration - 4 completely different styles and different agencies. But I can't say it bothers me. I am just to except groups on stage I don't care about. Also one advantage is, that fandoms hardly overlap, which means better space and front view at the individual shows for the fans.
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Would have liked to go to that Idol Yokocho festival that has been going on this weekend, a lot of groups I like was there.
http://idolyokocho.com/summerfes2016/
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Would have liked to go to that Idol Yokocho festival that has been going on this weekend, a lot of groups I like was there.
http://idolyokocho.com/summerfes2016/
Jun-chan was doing bikini chekis. You could, err, spray her with a water gun.
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went there yesterday. it`s been a while since my last (japanese) idol show, so it was refreshing. and surprising to see most girls still remember me.
the best part of the festival was undoubtedly Up Up's last performance with water balloons, water guns and... bikinis. :twothumbs Konatsu was so hot, damn! just seeing her in that bikini was already worth the ticket price, the hotness, the huge lanes, the waiting, everything!
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AKB48 Team 8 announced for TIF.
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Not that I care, but is that something good? :?
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No idea, I don't care either,
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Have you seen the new map? I would post it but I am on mobile now. Seems to be the My Navi Stage again, though different name. Haven't had the chance to check in more detail so far.
Update:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmwCcHdUIAAkfIN.jpg)
So nothing really changed, apart from adding the outdoor Ship Stage to cancel an indoor stage. Nice idea, as always from TIF organisers :roll:
Any news on installations of shadowy/cool locations?
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^ That doesn't sound right
They canceled "Enjoy Stadium", I'm sure they will use the space for something - maybe they are combining it with "Dolls Factory" to make one big stage which would mean it should be easier to get in there!
"Hotstage" moving indoors where "Heat Garage" was and both "Dream Stage" and "Ship Stage" are new.
So as far as I can tell there are the same amount of stages.
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Agreed, same amount and it is more correct that they exchanged Hot Stage (outdoor) with Ship Stage (outdoor). So they kept the former Heat Garage, now Hot Stage, but got rid of the Enjoy Stadium.
Dream Stage is just the former My Navi Stage, it seems. Don't you agree? But I can see no way that they can join Enjoy Stadium and Doll Factory. Both were seperate halls, each of them only accessible by a door. So unless they didn't removed the walls entirely, I doubt it being better in any way.
With that AKB thingy tickets should soon be sold out, I assume. I wonder if that has impact on spontaneous buyers.
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you fucking kidding me?!?!?!? they added Team Syachihoko!!!! I`m sold. I`m going on saturday to that shit.
edit: dammit! several groups I`d like to see won`t be there on saturday. Koto, 2o Love, Dempa Gumi, Tenkoushojo, Malcolm Mask, Ryutist, Level7... :angry:
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I kinda hope there is nothing I really want to see Saturday night because then I can go see Mutant Monster.
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Timetable for TIF is out..... planning starts!
http://www.idolfes.com/2016/timetable.html
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Inform us of the results ;)
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wow the timetable is worse than I imagined. may very well stay at home.
surprised that Up Up will be the last group performing on day 3, so basically ending the festival. all hail the power of Nyansan and co. :bow:
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They are the last but most fans will leave early on sunday anyway to catch an empty train ;)
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Any recommendations for watching TIF online? The website shows several options, but I remember encountering troubles while watching NicoNico once.
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For fun reasons I looked up TIF timetable. This would have become a really calm and comfortable festival for me. For example due to time overlaps on Day 3 I would only manage to see 5 sets. I also would have needed to skip all appearances by PiiiiiiiN and several PASSPO ones. Glad I am not there now, lol.
But interesting: GALETTe will perform RIGHT BEFORE Party Rockets GT. I smell a cat fight there! :catglare:
Additionally it seems TIF staff learned from past mistakes and put the "Big Names" 48 and 46 at the beginnings or with huge gaps between their shows, to avoid camping fans blocking the area. At least SOME improvement.
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Would have been interesting to see GALETTe x PRGT but I'd probably lean towards being in Hot Stage from Cheeky Parade until Babyraids, especially with a thunderstorm forecast for the 6th.
I'm guessing the 48 groups will have their security detail to set up too which will make it take even longer. Then again, why is Team 8 and Keyakizaka performing at Smile Garden? Seems like a risk given how strict they are.
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No idea, I don't care either,
Sorry if this is a little off topic but, no love from the two of you for any of the 48 groups?
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Nope, the closest I can get is N46, they have a good metal song and I like some of the members.
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Nope from me as well. Never had any type of interest in them.
What about you then? Seems you found some infatuation about them.
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Somewhat. I think the concept is interesting and they do have a lot of good songs, but the rapidly changing nature of the lineup make the goups lack identity a little. It's hard for me to get invested in a group, beyond the music, when there are so many different singers and they change so fast. I do have a very big fondness for the first gen of AKB48 though.
Regardless, if I had a chance to see them live, like at TIF, I'd probably go.
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I have almost no interest in Nogizaka but, I think there's something about Keyakizaka despite my initial skepticism. I really like "Silent Majority" and "Kataru nara Mirai wo…".
I still can't discern anyone except for their center Hirate Yurina though.
Am considering seeing NGT48 just to see what weird faces Yamada Noe might make during their live.
I'll probably never become a Stardust fan but, the idea of Shachi being there is kind of exciting, TakoNiji, not so much.
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(...), but the rapidly changing nature of the lineup make the goups lack identity a little. It's hard for me to get invested in a group, beyond the music, when there are so many different singers and they change so fast.
I guess that is the main reason for me why I don't like this kind of theatre groups (akb, nogi, alice project). It really makes them less identifiable and I also despise the internal competition in those groups, for getting included in the next single and such. I need a stable line-up group, where every member has relatively the same worth, without any bitching and ranking struggles. Some of these groups are also too popular for me. I'd miss the intimity and "naturalness" you have with more unknown groups.
Of course this is just my view and I appreciate what these groups did and still do for the idol business.
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Either way, A-rin's live and all the 46/48 lives will need anyone who wants to see them to line up at 7:30am and get a entry ticket. The site says each one is limited to 2,000 tickets so I wonder if they'll "sell out".
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So, TIF is over. I will wait for your opinions here :)
I heard a lot about Pinchike, especially with throwing glow sticks. Otherwise it seemed like always, with no real improvements.
Next nice festival seems to be the big Idol Koushien at Shin Kiba Coast on August 13.
Any news on the @JAM?
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Keyakizaka kicked ass.
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I didn`t go to TIF but went to Idol Koushien at Shin-Kiba.
quick comments:
I bumped into a drunk guy that posts here regularly.
Nanase (PRGT) seems to not be angry anymore with me. time really heals wounds, folks.
Passpo had a problem with their sound (not the first time this happens...) which made their performance turn, from an announced 'music non-stop', into a 'never ending MC'. :sweatdrop: all ended well, though. they sang some old classics. me gusta.
Koto, the creepy doll, off-stage is as lovely as you can get from an idol. such a nice girl with powerful performance. almost as good as Mari Mizuta. :P2
Emiri (PiiiiiiiN), the half-brazilian girl is... well, I dunno. I`m still trying to reincarnate after our first talk (mixing japanese and portuguese), that was so fucking awesome and embarassing at the same time that it made me die in spontaneous human combustion.
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hey guys, i dont usually post at this forum (usually just a lurker lol) but well....
i went to TIF2016 last week (for my 5th time in a row), i thought that was one of the best TIF to date. almost had no complaints except few (maybes) but overall not really a major complaints. And yea, the security is abit too tight this year, saw so many security teams dragging out some fans who went overboard with high jumps or lifting (especially at smile garden during night time haha)
Posted the whole experience in my blog below (huge wall of text though !)
TIF Day 1
http://www.20daysinjapan.akbingo.org/?p=608
TIF Day 2
http://www.20daysinjapan.akbingo.org/?p=609
TIF Day 3
http://www.20daysinjapan.akbingo.org/?p=613
Also met up with many other south/east asians idol fans over there as well, we took a group shot at the gundam statue after TIF2016 ended, it was awesome.
(http://www.20daysinjapan.akbingo.org/2016/2016trip081.jpg)
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Lol, your TIF recap is already a tradition for me to read. Although you have thrown PASSPO away from your No. 1 spot, please continue with it :P2
Great to see you have met a lot of friends there.
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Lol, your TIF recap is already a tradition for me to read. Although you have thrown PASSPO away from your No. 1 spot, please continue with it :P2
Great to see you have met a lot of friends there.
Yeah met with many friends, most of them is my twitter/facebook friends tho, but i think the huge increase of gaijins/foreigners during TIF lately is because the 'Free pass' they're giving away to foreigners in the last 2 years (this year, thanks to TGU, even though you have to be a premium member first haha)
as for passpo, think my lack of interest is because there's nothing much new about them (plus the members keep decreasing every year), they need to do something 'unique' to bring them back to the top of my list. Haha. dont worry, i still like them tho :3 (Annya is still fun to see as always) Else i wouldn't watch them 4x during TIF (5 if you count their hatcheketai sub unit haha)
Anyways,i hope they bring back #TGIF segment next year with more bikini gals :w00t: :w00t:
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I remembered this thread exists just now so let me pit here this info:
next 17th 18th and 19th a big circuit known as "Tokyo Calling" will be taking place in Shimokitazawa, Shinjuku and Shibuya areas, respectively. tons of shows in basically all the live houses of these districts, mostly rock but several idols will attend too. =) Lyrical School, Hime Kyun, Passcode, BPM15Q, Akishibu, Dinosaur Brain, Zenbu Kimi no Sei da, PRGT... quite interesting, I'd definitely go if I could, but already have other plans for these days.
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Might be a long shot but would anyone want a 25/09 ticket for the @jam? I ended up with 2 thanks to TGU and would sell mine for 4500y. (Granted tgu's ticket might not come with a free cd but I'd rather get some money back.)
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IIRC, the CD is for sale at the venue anyway, just the cover is different.
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NICE - TIF & @JAM will arrange a festvial on the 2nd and 3rd of January 2017.
http://www.newyearpp.jp/
I'm going :)
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First day of @jam was great. Got to see almost everyone I wanted. There were a few conflicts in my schedule but most of these groups played twice, on top of playing Sunday, so hopefully I'll catch them before the end of the weekend.
Makuhari Messe is pretty damn huge. Room when going from one stage to another is never a problem. Getting good spots is also pretty easy if you show up during the previous act and grab a spot when the crowd is leaving.
Not much else to say about it. I like how there's almost no time between each act. 2-3 minutes sometimes. This is both a blessing and a curse because sometimes you really have to hurry to get to the next act on a different stage.
The most energetic crowd so far has been for BiS from the shows I've seen. The mosh area was huge and I had to get far on the side to be out of it. Bish and Passcode were a close second. Is it me or is the lifting getting worse? :lol: This is only my first idol-type festival but it's way worse than in any online videos I've seen. I personally don't have a problem with it. It's kind of funny to see. During Passcode, there was a pretty high concentration of these in the front and they almost fell into the VIP area. lol I think one of them did.
Anyway. Day 2 should be fun. Band Passpo will open.
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Is it me or is the lifting getting worse? :lol: This is only my first idol-type festival but it's way worse than in any online videos I've seen. I personally don't have a problem with it. It's kind of funny to see. During Passcode, there was a pretty high concentration of these in the front and they almost fell into the VIP area. lol I think one of them did.
Lifting is not that much of a problem at bigger venues, but at small places your view of the stage can be completely blocked which is why it is annoying.
I'm surprised if the organizers aren't doing anything about it though.
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^ It's only a problem if it's 50% of the crowd, imo. The odd bit of lifting, like one bloke during the solo of some girl, seems more to add to the fun of the live, in general.
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Lifting isn't too bad when you know it will appear. But when I experienced it the first time during an idol show, it was terrible. If I could choose I rather have shows without it. It may be fun to watch but makes it impossible for more casual fans to enjoy the performance/music.
Anyway, it seems the @JAM at the new location is a success. Nice to hear.
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Hopefully if they have it there next year, they'll do something about all the sound bleeding from the stages. Despite hosting a lot of big music events, Makuhari Messe probably doesn't have the best acoustics or ventilation. Who am I kidding? They have way bigger events like Knotfest, Summer Sonic, and Countdown Japan there so there's no reason for them to make things better if they know people will come anyway.
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So how must I imagine the location? You mentioned a ventilation system, so stages where inside? Not open plane hangars? Where stages in one building then, because someone told me the sound from other stages was audible at other stages.
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Makuhari Messe is a convention center. There were 3 giant halls with super high ceilings very similar to airplane hangars connected by giant doors. Basically one huge building.
Strawberry took up one of the halls, Blueberry, Orange/Grape took up the next one. Grape/Orange were back to back with the speakers for each facing in opposite directions. Kiwi and Peach took up the 3rd hall and were almost parallel to each other with the main walkway in between and the doors on 2 sides open to let people out into the food/tokuten area. At times Strawberry would be comfortable because it was pretty closed off but, when it got hot, it was pretty awful.
Unless you were right in front of the speakers or far away from the other stages, the sound would be pretty garbled. Worst was when bands on Kiwi Stage would be close to drowning out whoever was on Peach.
Also, I think the sound would bounce and echo off the floors/walls b/c concrete.
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since I avoided all BiS related groups (or should I say, BiS descendents?) I had no problem with trash wotas and their antics.
so my only complain about this @Jam was the mentioned audio bleeding. particularly in the Grape/Orange stages, you couldn`t hear shit. it was just a big noise from the sound of three different stages all mixed together. okay, we are talking about idol shows afterall, where music is not the main attraction exactly, but still... at the very least the stages should be a little more far away from each other. could easily be done if they rented the other half of the convention centre, not the 9-11 halls. usually big festivals with multiple stages happen in that other half.
oh yeah I felt they could have used better the space in the tokutenkai area. the space for each group was very tiny and right next to other groups. that external hallway is huge, could easily have given more meters for each group. my 2 shot with Arisa (from PiiiiiiiN) almost became a group shot since we were all smashed in an almost two square meters area. :sweatdrop:
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So it's been a week since @JAM. Thanks guys/this forum for having made me discover this. It was my first idol festival and I loved (almost) every bit of it. The sound was certainly a bit bad on the smaller stages, and, well, I wanted to experience those "trash wota" at least once - so I went frontline during PassCode's show. I almost broke my glasses and lost a shoe, haha. Must be the only performance I didn't enjoy so much.
I went/am planning to go on a bunch of other live/festivals for my remaining two weeks now.
Just booked for Idol Koushien at Shibuya Cuattro on the 11th. There's also @Jam Party on the 9th & Deep Girl Shinen Shoujo vol.2 on the 12th. Anyone going there? (Oh and Girls Award 2016 on the 8th, not really sure what's going to happen there but Keyakizaka46 are invited so I'll go have a look.)
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New groups added to the TIF & @JAM new year concert - I'm really excited about it.
BiS, BiSH, Party Rockets GT and Dorothy Little Happy.
I got my ticket already it was really expensive but with the lineup it'll be worth it.
Lineup so far -> http://www.newyearpp.jp/lineup/
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Well, it's been 3 months since TIF2016.
And i just realized Fuji TV FOD website has much more footages from TIF2016, including the Ship Stage footage, which isnt shared anywhere yet so far (jpopsuki/aidoru online has full Smile Garden, Doll Factory, Sky Stage and Hot Stage footages btw...)
Here is the link btw
http://fod.fujitv.co.jp/s/genre/variety/ser2333/
The problem though, i think you must you must be in japan (they detect ip address), and must pay. Haha. I think after reading through their website using japan proxy / vpn, there is a "free trial" etc etc, but you need to be a softbank/docomo/au etc etc user? Not sure also if they accept foreign credit cards if they decide to charge some money in the end. Haven't tried it yet, because it seems complicated enough.
Kinda sucks that they invited foreigners to come TIF for free -- but Video on Demand service like this they only limit for Japanese viewers ? What the hell are they thinking. I dont mind paying their fees if its not region locked seriously. :angry: If they want to expand overseas, they should make it easier for us to access to such contents.
Of course viewing it outside japan still can be solved using a VPN (although must find a decent one to get decent speed). And if you know how to get around it, then you can see the Tokyo Idol Gravure Festival 2016 segment at info centre for free here (link below lol) ;)
Tokyo Gravure Idol Festival 2016 Segment @ Info Centre Free viewing (use japan proxy/ vpn if you outside japan)
http://fod.fujitv.co.jp/s/genre/variety/ser2333/2333810002/
I've been collecting TIF2016 footages ever since the first TIF2010, so i really kinda want that Ship Stage footages (considering i was there for hours during Day 3 of TIF and got myself sunburnt in the process, hahaha. so many memories) and any other TIF footages that isn't shared yet. and oh...they also have the Sparkling Night segment also with Ebisu Muscat ! (i kinda want that too, since i also attended the Sparkling night segment that day lol)
Not sure if any kind souls will be able to capture/upload these footages in the future - or if i can find myself to get around it and capture it myself. although they have time limit until next year (summer of 2017) so plenty of time to figure it out lol
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*bump*
http://www.idolfes.com/2017/
TIF2017 website has been updated! Anyone else going this year? (For me, im thinking to go Japan from 28th July until 7th August 2017)
Strangely they dont have "english" page for this year TIF yet. Wonder if they will still giveaways gaijin tickets. :grin:
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I'm 99% going, and yeah TGU hasn't announced free tickets yet so it might not happen this year.
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Unlikely. Work reasons and the annoying wetaher conditions then.
Anyone know details about @JAM? When and where? I have heard they change back again, sadly.
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^ I think Jam Expo 2017 should be at the end of august if im not mistaken... Some of my friends going for that as well (not me though ! im always the "TIF fanboi" lol) :lol:
Anyways, for this year TIF2017, the comitee really made it CLEAR that they're against moshing/lifting/throwing stuffs (lightstick) and also ripping up tshirts, etc etc...they even have a one dedicated page about it lol
http://www.idolfes.com/2017/caution/
I think they will really tighten up the security again this year (as if last year is not too strict already! haha)
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Honestly those kinds of policies makes sense, if someone gets hurt someone has to pay and it will end up being them.
One thing they need to actually do better is the bag check, they never actually search bags at all (not that enjoy the inconvenience but if they have to do it they should do it right).
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Honestly those kinds of policies makes sense, if someone gets hurt someone has to pay and it will end up being them.
One thing they need to actually do better is the bag check, they never actually search bags at all (not that enjoy the inconvenience but if they have to do it they should do it right).
yeah, no bag checking at the stages, maybe they will do it this year.
but they do check the bags at the buppan / grand market areas. I often go to the market place areas, and the security checking does take some time (which abit sux when you're rushing into the next stage and stuffs), but i guess it can't be helped.
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Actually I meant at the meet and greet area, the search there is pointless since they just glance inside of bags.
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@JAM expo dates have been announced. August 26 and 27.
http://natalie.mu/music/news/227022
This is kinda bad for me. I can't go on vacation at that time of year. :(
It's a little strange they would decide to have two major idol festivals in the same month. End of September made sense. It gave idol fans time to get over TIF and anticipate @JAM Expo a bit more. Also, yes, as rumored, they're going back to Yokohama arena. Never been there. Don't know if this is a good thing or not. I hear it's smaller than Makuhari Messe.
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Been to yokohama arena before for some concerts (Nana Mizuki) several years back. It is BIG. But if compare to Makuhari messe though...well it depends how many halls of Makuhari Messe we're talking about here (since Makuhari is basically an Expo/convention centre)
But do remember again that it's indoor, so the place might be abit cramped if its divided into several stages...
i think someone posted their @ jam expo experience in this forum before. Like, the place abit hot inside and "sound bleeding" from the next stage etc etc. but then again nothing is perfect, i also got some problems with TIF as well (like how far the walking distance between one stage to another, etc)
But the main advantage of course it that it's in indoor venue eh...can just avoid the sun, and probably no need to walk so far in between stages lol
For me i still prefer TIF though!
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Just go for the big live of Passpo in September then, Clem. There probably will be some other outdoor festivals at the time.
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You have heard about this? An Festival in Budokan on May 6.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2088590/full/
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@JAM expo 2018 will be held as usual at Yokohama arena on August 25.26. Another @jam expo I'll miss unfortunately.
https://twitter.com/at_jam/status/983178002786693121