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Title: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on March 12, 2016, 06:12:33 PM
From Amped@Jplop:
It is announced that a triple A-side single will be released on May 11th. The new single was performed at the Morning Musume. '16 Emotion in Motion concert called "Tokyo to iu Katasumi" (Tokyoという片隅) - In a corner of Tokyo.
http://fast-uploader.com/file/7013335414145/ (http://fast-uploader.com/file/7013335414145/)
concert rip
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000125117 (http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000125117)
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2068405/full/ (http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2068405/full/)
http://music-book.jp/music/news/news/115884 (http://music-book.jp/music/news/news/115884)
(http://i.imgur.com/gaoVzDf.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/P16ixZa.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/PGXs6S4.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/hcmXi7D.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/cZyn6qF.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/OHWaooM.jpg)
Title: Re: [5/11] Morning Musume。'16 61st single [Tokyo to iu.../The Vision/Utakata...]
Post by: J-Triumf on March 14, 2016, 03:28:29 AM
EDIT: Looks like the official page got deleted, but I'm leaving the following up in case it comes back. And it's back...for now?

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The other songs are "The Vision" and "Utakata Saturday Night":
http://www.helloproject.com/release/detail/EPCE-7217/

Hearing the concert trip of "Tokyo", it sounds like it could be pretty interesting, but as usual I gotta wait for a better recording before properly judging it.

I wonder if "The Vision" is a Zukki solo/lead...or perhaps a crossover tie-in with Captain America: Civil War... :lol:
(http://picroda.jphip.com/misc/jphip09066.jpg)
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Chibs on March 14, 2016, 05:13:44 PM
I would love if the vision was on the Civil War soundtrack, also the characters on topic title are very limited
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Chibs on March 19, 2016, 04:27:42 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3yswxx_20160319-hello-project-%E3%81%B2%E3%81%AA%E3%83%95%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B92016_music
perf@4:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBOO1et2TQU
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: kuro808 on March 19, 2016, 09:09:27 PM
Tokyo to iu is a nice song although I still have the rest to listen to closely

Zukki Forever!
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Chibs on April 10, 2016, 09:31:47 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/download/l7andq5l72jr648/The_Vision_%28fan_recording_160410%29.mp3 (http://www.mediafire.com/download/l7andq5l72jr648/The_Vision_%28fan_recording_160410%29.mp3)
The Vision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXmOLOa4bDk
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: J-Triumf on April 14, 2016, 07:25:20 AM
I'm seeing all this sourness on Twitter towards "Tokyo" and I'm like, are you kidding me? This song is a huge step up from the last single! The frantic drums, the half-tempo beat and background vocals during the verses, the rock guitar going well alongside the dubstep effects...I can't wait to listen to the whole thing. I can understand not liking the stripey outfits or the basicness of the music video, but the song itself is a winner so far.

I blame the Riho-loss...her absence was definitely felt in Houston and it's still glaringly apparent now.
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on April 14, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
^ I def. feel like the instrumental is the winner in this song, it gets me so pumped up!

I'm not sure how I feel about the part where Fuku and Daishi do the wow wow thing, I feel like it's not layered well and sounds messy. Will have to get used to that stuff

Mostly I'm pissed that MM'16 is supposed to be the flagship of H!P, but they still get the most boring MVs. THIS SONG could have inspired so much more (than what was previewed on Hello Station). I feel like other groups are getting better visuals. Can you imagine if this MV was directed by the dude who did that one Seishun Kozo MV. It doesn't even need to be expensive. Just have a bit of imagination, for fuck's sake. I know this complaint is always there with every MV, but if things aren't getting better why stop complaining :P
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Rayle on April 15, 2016, 05:23:14 PM
I think people are thrown off by the synth bits. They're expecting more EDMusume, and the other groups getting non-Tsunku songs has also ratcheted up expectations for a really Western-style EDM song.

But this is a rock song at heart. And it's aggressively Tsunku in composition.

At that point, the comparisons to both Brainstorming and Lullaby Game (and Ambitious) start stacking up. It's a bit too sedate, too complacent, next to a comparable instrumentations from other idol groups utilizing those metal elements, especially MomoClo. Going from Tokyo to iu Katasumi to any metal-ish MomoClo song is like receiving an adrenaline injection. (Also, MomoClo songs tend to incorporate more funk elements)

Which isn't fair to Tokyo to iu Katasumi, because it's not trying to be an anisong, nor using anisong cheap tricks to achieve that energy, but those are the sort of things influencing first impressions. Who wouldn't want to listen to Infinite Love or Moon Pride instead?

That said, they have a point. The song cuts straight from FURIOUS BAROQUE PATTERNS to...half time verse. No, don't do that. And the rest of the verse and prechorus keeps being start-stop on dense to sparse instrumentation this way, killing any momentum. This song would be a hella frustrating sex session.
That prechorus-chorus transition only works if the verse and pre-chorus consistently built up to the floor dropping out only at that point, which would give the chorus a great kick in the pants to start off. But because the previous sections were also start-stop, it just feels like another stop, and the chorus kind of limps into action. "Oh, this isn't the prechorus anymore? Oh, okay." Half-time drops have to be very carefully deployed, or be a part of a SHAMELESSLY WEIRD song, and both Seishun Kozo and this song are trying to serve two masters.

Now, the chorus itself is pretty damn strong, and moves into that fun dense arrangement. Too bad we have to get back into that verse. All they needed to do was pave the way to half time in the instrumental section, instead of dropping into it, and it wouldn't be nearly so bad.


The Vision: holy shit, stop using Tsunku-melody choruses. IMMENSE SONG POTENTIAL DOWN THE DRAIN.
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Sacul097 on April 15, 2016, 09:31:17 PM
I prefer The Vision to Tokyo, but I think they're both pretty good, but not great, songs. I'm hoping the Tokyo MV has more going on than what was shown on H!S. Honestly with that name, I'm shocked that they aren't doing street scenes like Kaze ni Fukarete. Hell, even green screen streets like Help Me (tho obviously less shit looking) would make sense.
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Rayle on April 16, 2016, 05:34:05 AM
Oh, the studio version actually makes me like the song much better! I can hear a lot more going on in the arrangement during the half time sections.
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: winner on April 18, 2016, 01:28:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hu2tn-Ylgo
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on April 18, 2016, 03:49:47 PM
Eripon is so cool xD I think I like this song better than anything of theirs from 2015 (Seishun kozo might rival it), so that's great!
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Chibs on April 19, 2016, 02:08:57 AM
https://vine.co/v/iFzt20WMPFj
https://vine.co/v/iFzTdHMM9Du
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Tokyo to iu Katasumi/The Vision/Utakata Saturday Night]
Post by: Chibs on April 21, 2016, 06:50:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLt0h7C1uM
Utakata Saturday Night

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x464ru7_%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16%E6%96%B0%E6%9B%B2cm_tv
CM preview
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on April 24, 2016, 05:01:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ASNOuhq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eSpm3PJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TbXXuFO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NwYNUfi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3zlPEkK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XyXdpy8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/V1KUMSFl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/W0GPBlCl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RAEoxPf.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0v4pF1pVYo
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x46hv9z_%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16%E8%AD%9C%E4%B9%85%E6%9D%91%E8%81%96-%E7%94%9F%E7%94%B0%E8%A1%A3%E6%A2%A8%E5%A5%88-%E9%A3%AF%E7%AA%AA%E6%98%A5%E8%8F%9C-%E6%B8%8B%E8%B0%B7%E3%81%AE%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B8%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AA-160422_creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO_LJlfureE
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: winner on April 25, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS0QHDdXvCw
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on May 03, 2016, 02:34:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiV-aaLo9SM
This is a great mv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 04, 2016, 06:26:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKAuwmv6rDI

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48fn2q_20160503-full-chorus-%E9%9F%B3%E6%A5%BD%E3%81%AF-%E3%83%95%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B9-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16_tv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on May 05, 2016, 03:03:48 AM
People keep saying Saturday Night could be the next Love Machine
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on May 12, 2016, 02:54:02 AM
First day at #2, with 82,347 sold…

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/d/2016-05-10/ (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/d/2016-05-10/)

http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2071477/full/ (http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2071477/full/)

hopefully the lack of Yassan, underwhelming singles or Kanon not being popular won't hurt the eventual total.
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 12, 2016, 06:18:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSaTkA5vdwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMFFP3V9_SQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmzwCmKbCBU
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 12, 2016, 09:13:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemdj5o8ivM
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 13, 2016, 06:32:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zykuS2438MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ASx4hJ9T7U

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4a9z1q_20160514-%E3%83%90%E3%82%BA%E3%83%AA%E3%82%BA%E3%83%A0-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16_tv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on May 14, 2016, 04:56:56 AM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4accgy_20160514-%E9%9F%B3%E6%B5%81-onryu-%E9%88%B4%E6%9C%A8%E9%A6%99%E9%9F%B3-%E9%A3%AF%E7%AA%AA%E6%98%A5%E8%8F%9C-%E4%BD%90%E8%97%A4%E5%84%AA%E6%A8%B9-%E5%B7%A5%E8%97%A4%E9%81%A5-%E5%B0%8F%E7%94%B0%E3%81%95%E3%81%8F%E3%82%89_tv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on May 14, 2016, 09:21:24 AM
^ Maachan's song 3:30 in! :heart: Watch!
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: CrypticShadow8 on May 14, 2016, 01:58:39 PM
Apparently even non-fans are liking Utakata. I've had some students come up to me and be like "Utakata Saturday Night! I heard it! It's really good!" Lol they know I like H!P but none of them are fans do in not sure where they heard it. I'm assuming just in TV
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on May 15, 2016, 02:01:37 AM
People have been shopping Saturday Night to pictures
(http://i.imgur.com/FXlX7gLl.png)
most of the ones i've seen are not hp
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 24, 2016, 06:25:26 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ccxlr_20160524-%E3%81%86%E3%81%9F%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16_tv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: oaxiac on May 27, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4czz4a_20160527-music-station-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-16_tv
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: J-Triumf on June 13, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
I planned to post a long analysis/rant on the songs on this single, and I'll get to it when I have the time and energy for it.

In the meantime, I made a thing 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIW3MYCdb2A
The most notorious chord progression in J-pop strikes again!

Other H!P songs that are secretly rickrolling us:
"Love Machine"
"Oh My Wish"
"Love Together" by Berryz
and apparently the upcoming Kobushi single XD
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on June 18, 2016, 03:38:14 AM
http://youtu.be/2ZBY4As7Z64
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: Chibs on July 05, 2016, 06:25:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq0w37RdmOg
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: J-Triumf on August 20, 2016, 09:10:46 AM
I just had to 8)
(http://picroda.jphip.com/manlove/jphip01709.jpg)
https://twitter.com/JTriumf/status/765428585855225856
http://j-triumf.tumblr.com/post/149020901246/utakata-bolt
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on August 20, 2016, 10:44:44 AM
I haven't been feeling Utakata a lot, but I have to admit, it makes for one fun live song. :lol: Meanwhile Tokyo to iu Katasumi, which is the song I've loved listening to the most, as a live experience is like "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE MY ARMS TO THIS, HELP?" :lol:
Title: Re: [5/11] MM'16 61st single[Utakata Saturday Night/The Vision/Tokyo to iu Katasumi]
Post by: CrypticShadow8 on August 20, 2016, 04:47:11 PM
I haven't been feeling Utakata a lot, but I have to admit, it makes for one fun live song. :lol: Meanwhile Tokyo to iu Katasumi, which is the song I've loved listening to the most, as a live experience is like "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE MY ARMS TO THIS, HELP?" :lol:

I understand what you mean! Though I've always been into Utakata, seeing it live I got so freakin into it I smacked my best friend with my penlight so hard she fell and almost got a black eye. On the other hand I kinda just faded out during Tokyo to iu...