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General => Akihabara => Video Games => Topic started by: Tuffty on May 21, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
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So with all consoles now finally revealed, I thought it might be best to have all news/discussion on it in here.
Obviously the talk at the moment now is on the Xbox One reveal. Thoughts? The presentation was rather underwhelming to me. In part, because it seemed to cater more to the American audience and as a N.Irishman, I don't particularly care for NFL, nor do I get any sense of how these TV features will trickle down to Europe. Even then, as someone who doesn't care for NFL, sports games, TV on consoles or Halo in general, there was nothing for me in that presentation. Even the Call of Duty reveal was tame. Leaning? Sliding? These are your big innovations? Come on. Also disappointing is the fact that you must pay a fee to play second hand games (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4348916/xbox-used-games) and it isn't backwards compatible. (http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_ditches_xbox_360_backwards_compatibility.html)
Maybe though that is the time for it to get the features out of the way and E3 will be the time for them to talk about actual games. For both Microsoft and Sony. I hope.
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Watched the whole presentation live and as I was expecting ... uhm no thank you Microsoft.
They "improved" everything I do not like about the current Xbox (including the fugly green on the dashboard)
Also call me paranoid but I find the idea that this new hd kinect "watches" me stalk around the living room highly uncomfortable.
Hell I'm the person who put a big fat sticker over her laptop's webcam (just in case XD)
At the moment I can't think of any game, that would make me want to buy a XONE.
WiiU also a big NO.
As it stands now I can see myself only with a Ps4, but not for the next few years.
I'm getting a Ps3 first and catch up on some "old" games.
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^ See that's what I was thinking of doing too! :lol: Was a bit unsure considering the PS4 is out soon and maybe waiting when I realised two things. One, console launches always tend to suck pretty hard, with better games coming out maybe a year into the consoles lifecycle. And secondly, the PS4 probably won't be out in Europe until this time next year anyway! So I figured I would pick up a PS3 on the cheap and play these PS3 exclusives I've always wanted to e.g. Demon's Souls, Yakuza 4, Journey, Uncharted, MGS4 etc
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I'll probably buy a PS4 at launch~ish (in January after I get back from vacation), neither of the others interest me from what's been revealed so far.
I've also got an Ouya coming sometime this summer - not really next-gen, but I may get more hours of gameplay out of it.
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^^^That's exactly what I swayed my cousin to do this month, when he couldn't decide. Now he's got a nice PS3 and having fun with games like LBP, and a huge library of games to look forward to. next-gen is gonna be a waiting-game for the first 1-2 year anyways. Might as well have fun now.
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Honestly, the Xbox One reveal was about what I expected. The first thing I thought was "wow, that thing looks like a VCR from 1985". Aesthetically it's pretty bland if not kinda ugly, but I could give zero fucks. :lol: Hopefully they've thrown away the aesthetics in favor of functionality and a case that adequately supports the temperature needs of the hardware. The 500GB drive annoys me. It's 2013, it really should have been 1TB at the minimum, especially since we're going to have to install games with this console. A blessing and a curse, really, since Bluray data speeds are pretty terrible. The other specs are pretty nice. I kinda liked what I saw of the TV/Satellite box integration and multitasking features, but I'm not sure how much I would really use such things, but it could be pretty awesome. The most exciting news for me came in the form of a Spielberg-produced Halo TV series. As a bigtime Halo fan, quite thrilled with that. Call of Duty Ghosts looks pretty cool, maybe it can pull me back into the CoD franchise. I'll definitely buy one eventually, but depending on price/availability, I may not jump onboard until Halo 5 comes out.
PS4 doesn't interest me at all. I've never been a Playstation guy having had an xbox since 2002. I got a used PS3 a few years back and it's been a great media extender and bluray player. :sweatdrop: I am somewhat interested in WiiU for Mario and friends, maybe when the price goes down a tad I'll pick one up just for that, but seeing how my Wii has sat for nearly 2 years now, not going to throw too many coins at it.
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The thing you have to remember with new consoles is, they all suck at launch, no matter what company makes it.
If you buy one right away, you're going to a) spend a ridiculously large amount of money b) probably be left with it gathering dust for months until something good finally comes out c) force yourself to buy launch titles and pretend it's fantastic, but really, you just bought 4 forgettable shitty Ubisoft games.
The WiiU and the Vita are like this just now, I expect WiiU to recover eventually, or at least do well enough to hang around and do just fine. But Sony doesn't even seem to care about the Vita that much, especially outside of Japan.
The no backwards compatibility thing in recent years makes this worse I think, before if your PS2 or PS3 had a shitty launch lineup and you didn't want to buy more than one copy of Ridge Racer, you could fill the time playing older games, but not anymore, or in the Vita's case you can, but you have to buy them all again digitally.
The XOne to me looks really similar to the 360, especially the UI, more of a "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" approach, which is fair enough, but with so much of the same stuff (and forced use of kinect) it was really hard to get excited for it.
They appealed to the masses with the COD & NFL/FIFA stuff, who make up most of xbox live's "community" who will eat it all up, and presumably are the most likely to pay the premium to get the new console.
But for me, there was no excitement, Forza didn't look any better than GT6 on the PS3, a lot of the stuff was prerendered like the PS4 controller announcement. No cool games like Watchdogs or GTA5, all the good stuff is going to be on the previous gen.
The thing that stuck with me the most was actually the size of the thing, it's GIGANTIC, even more hueg than the original xbox. When I saw it next to the presenters on the little after show thing I was shocked at how big it is, I would struggle to find space for that.
Which leads me to another thing, I think PS4 and XOne are going to be extremely expensive, which probably gives the XOne the edge due to the discounting you get by using it as your TV box. Also I think WiiU might even do well out of that as parents would be more likely to buy it, than something 2 or 3 times it's cost.
XBOX ONE: Genuine Reaction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVuDYvEe12Y#ws)
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For me it depends on the games which machine I'm playing on, if it requires a XOne so be it, if it requires a PS4 so be it.
And if I read it correctly, the Kinect can be turned off.
Seeing what is in the machines, I expect the price to be around a medium PC, no major problem to me.
All those live-things with NFL and Skype and Comcast ... I also do not care about, I tried a few MBL videos on the current X360, not currently my type of thing to watch.
So: if MS can release it world-wide this year (I think one of the games has a release date of Nov 5?) and Sony not, then XOne it is.
Steven Spieldberg doing Halo 4 Series I'm going to have a look at.
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For the xbox reveal, I actually like the look of the system and the controller. I don't get the "TV! TV! TV! TV! TV!" stuff. Do you really want another device that is 100W+ just to switch between a game and channels? I can already do that with my TV remote. Unless it has some kind of DVR features it seems like more of a novelty than something practical. And it is kinda surprising they apparently don't currently have plans for gameplay share stuff like PS4. That is the kind of feature which would actually be pretty useful. Overall it seems there still isn't much clarity and still a lot of unanswered questions after the reveal.
I already mentioned how scummy I feel limiting used sales is. And it has been proven time and time again used game sales stimulate new game sales. Restrictions will only hurt that. You are chopping down millions of customers that supplement new game purchases through selling old games, not to mention services like RedBox and Gamefly that buy tens of thousands of games just to get a cut from the gamestops of the world. I wish there were some reporters that would not pull punches or let company scripts get by. I remember Luke Smith being brutal with Phil Harrison during the while PS3 599/no games stuff.
That said it's all about the games. I got a 360 so I could play Mass Effect, I got a PS3 so I could play MGS4, I got a Wii so I could play Super Mario Galaxy and golf/bowling. The games we have seen for the new systems haven't 'wowed' me (in fact most have looked kinda crap) Hopefully we will see the interesting stuff come E3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjXU1anoC5Y#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjXU1anoC5Y#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_E6Bn6fWM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_E6Bn6fWM#ws)
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Did anyone else here find it interesting what happened to Sony's stock after the Xbox One was revealed? It actually shot straight up which might mean that more people are interested in the PS4 than the Xbox One. I actually am leaning towards the PS4 myself, but in due time I'm sure I'll own all three eventually once the prices go down. I can't wait for more games to be announced soon as it seems like it's always in the fall when the major games get released.
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Did anyone else here find it interesting what happened to Sony's stock after the Xbox One was revealed? It actually shot straight up which might mean that more people are interested in the PS4 than the Xbox One. I actually am leaning towards the PS4 myself, but in due time I'm sure I'll own all three eventually once the prices go down. I can't wait for more games to be announced soon as it seems like it's always in the fall when the major games get released.
Awesome! I think PS has got the greater games and stuff hands down. What caught my eye is the new Kinect! If we could combine that with the PS4 we would get a hell of a console haha
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Did anyone else here find it interesting what happened to Sony's stock after the Xbox One was revealed? It actually shot straight up which might mean that more people are interested in the PS4 than the Xbox One.
In the grand scheme of things, I think that means little. Stocks fluctuate all the time and we haven't got all the information on the consoles from Microsoft and Sony yet.
The latest talk at the minute still remains around Microsoft, specifically around how the Xbox One will handle used games because when employees were asked about it at their press conference, nobody had a clue. The quotes from one of the head honchos at Microsoft is that buying a game will tie it to that particular user profile and console. So there's nothing to stop say, your brother or sister going onto your Xbox One under your name and play the game. But if you wanted to bring it over to play with a friend, it would seem that they can't do that. On top of that, buying a used game requires you purchase an additional activation fee with a price quoted as £35 (though I doubt it will be that high).
Sorry but I think it's a poor idea. My brother came over today with his copy of FIFA 13 so we can play on my PS3 and now, if these rumours are true, it would seem that scenario couldn't happen anymore without me having to pay money. No thanks. While Sony haven't mentioned anything on used games yet, the internet is already praising them as a savour for not having it, which is rather premature. Don't be surprised when they eventually will announce something similar regarding used games.
The other factor which could sway people's opinion from PS3 to Xbox is the asking price. No prices listed yet, but you feel whoever is the cheapest will be leading the pack for a long while.
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So Microsoft cancelled all their roundtable interviews with the press after their E3 conference and instead put up more information on the restrictions regular customers will face. Taken from their own site:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Tuffty/xbox_zpsa440362b.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Tuffty/media/xbox_zpsa440362b.jpg.html)
With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided.
Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:
•Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.
•Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
•Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
•Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
•Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.
As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.
In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.
We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.
Gee, I love how being able to let others play my games in my household is now a feature. Thank you soo much MS. It's not like I can't do that already. Oh wait....I can. In fact, my brother was able to take a game from his house, bring it to mine, play on it and be able to take it back. Apparently you can't even do that anymore.
Instead of answering all the questions, they've just confused the matter further still. Loaning or renting games not even available at launch? It's also a big middle finger to those in rural areas or those without access to high speed internet. I had a situation where I transferred from one ISP to another which took a number of weeks. Playing games then kept me entertained and passed the time. But apparently you can't even do that with Xbox One, if it's checking every day for authentication, otherwise you can't even play single player games offline ffs. Does all this not just scream anti-consumerism? I mean, nothing of what they've revealed is an improvement! It's also ridiculous that they have all these restrictions but none of that applies if you want to watch TV or blu ray movies. Fuck's sake! Basically we'll now live in an era where you don't own a game anymore, you rent it. Far further on down the line, when the Xbox One servers go off because of the Xbox Three or whatever, what happens to all those Xbox One games? *sigh* I don't think Sony will be that much better tbh, they're still keeping quiet. Thoughts?
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Haha, I'm not likely to buy one, but if I did, that mandatory Kinect sensor would be in the dusty void behind my tv.
...until they figure that out and say KINECT MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU AT ALL TIMES.
They do have a history of this too, if you remember their "control" over controllers and how everything on 360 had to be "official".
While I'm happily using Dreamcast and PS2 controllers on my PS3 with no problems.
That's also why so many of us are stuck with official 360 controllers for our PC games :(
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I read the green picture before and I can't believe how much BS is in it. Who really wants to support this type of business? I just completely agree with your points Tuffty, this is ridiculous. It's like going BACK in time instead of going forward, since things are being taken AWAY. Ridiculous.
Good thing I'm mostly a PC player? Hahahahah
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The Giant Bomb crew dissect the Xbox DRM press release and what it could mean. Conclusion: It takes experienced video game journalists 40 mins to try and break down a number of bulletpoints and even then, questions aren't answered. The comparison they do with fruit at the very end (from 38:40 onwards), to compare it to the Xbox One DRM, is both hilarious and sadly tragic at the same time. Love Vinny's line at the very end, "Buy a PC" :lol:
Xbox One DRM Breakdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StPJgWkN-U#ws)
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Give the chinese a few months and they'll make a chip to bypass all of that shit. hehe, it's like my SNES days all over again. :nervous
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So.....Xbox One will be in stores November 2013; 499 US, 499 Euro, 429 UK.
Also, newer Xbox 360 consoles will small and sleeker, looking like the Xbox One. In stores, starting today.
From July 1st until Launch Day of the Xbox One, Xbox Live Gold members will be getting 2 free Xbox 360 games each month; starting with Assassins Creed 2 and Halo 3.
Still no word on DRM.
Oh, and Halo 5 will be coming out next year.
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M$ showed nothing interesting for me.
I'm half in a mind to get up at three tonight and watch Sony's Presscon live as well XD
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Geez. £429 is pretty steep, it must be said. And that's on top of all the DRM bullshit it brings? The most interesting games, purely from my perspective, would be Dark Souls 2, The Witcher 3 and MGS 5. All of which I can get on other systems. And Dark Souls 2 is out for 360/PS3 as well so......yeh. The Sony conference hasn't started yet but you would feel that, even if it had the same DRM bullshit as the Xbox One (which could be very likely), it might just have the advantage if it has a cheaper price point and that would be the deciding factor for a lot of people.
But make no mistake about it, MGS5 and The Witcher 3 are supremely good looking games. Oh lordy.
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So PS4 is $100 cheaper, arguably better hardware, most of the same games with a few great exclusives, no DRM bullshit...
I think my mind is made up.
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Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA#ws)
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Sony.....you had me at Kingdom Hearts 3.
Oh, and the 399 US, 399 Euro, 349 UK price tag. And the support of used games.
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qfz1kj5vgafjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)
I don't know about the design. What do you guys think?
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No tire treads. :)
It's OK, it's pretty small, which is nice. It's going to be more or less invisible in my black entertainment station, and I'm OK with that. Looks like slot fed, which is also a bonus.
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I can play games borrowed from my friends on it, and I can sell my games? like normally? check
I can put stuff on top of the console and it won't slide off it's curvy top surface? check
I can play Kingdom Hearts 3 on it?! check
I can play FF vers... FFXV on it?!! check
I can play the Pokemon x Final Fantasy monsters x Shin Megami Tensei monsters Battle Coliseum crossover game I always dreamed of on it?!!! some people are just so hard to please... XD
Glad I just got a pay raise. It's actually possible for me to buy one when it comes out. :)
Funny thing is Sony played MS with the DRM, by doing absolutely nothing.
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Missed the very end of Microsoft's conference and still need to go look at EA and Ubisoft. Kind of zoned out a couple times during Sony's. I really like how the PS4 looks and the price is good but the Sony conference dragged on. Xbox seems overpriced especially considering they still haven't shown any benefit of Kinect and it's disadvantage in specs. Neither seemed to have any really interesting exclusive games. A lot of focus on trying to get DLC first and what not. lol Titanfall looks different than I expected. Hearing Arthur Gies talk about it a few weeks ago I was picturing something like Crackdown meets Pacific Rim but it seems more like Call of Duty meets mechs. Which I guess makes sense considering it's the guys that made COD. :lol: Would have liked to have seen some actual Order 1886 gameplay.
Overall:
Good on Sony for listening and putting consumers first. :thumbup I'm actually kinda surprised, I figured they would go the same route as Microsoft.
Final Fantasy Vs/15 has a pretty crazy looking battle system now o_O
Destiny :bow:
Dark Souls 2 :bow:
Metal Gear Solid 5 :bow: :bow:
Now just waiting for Nintendo announcements tomorrow...
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PS4 is region-free too. :heart:
What can this thing not do? Are they gonna announce it can make popcorn next.
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Stayed up til five in the morning to watch everything, then 2 hours sleep and then back to work, but it was so worth it!
M$ practically handed over the market to Sony on a silver tray.
I'll happily return to the Sony side of the force. The Ps4 is almost to good to be true!!!
It was cool how through all the conferences the audience was rather unenthusiastic clapping out of politeness but when Sony's No DRM announcement came they went wild.
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^ I looked it up :lol:
Sony Fights Back: PS4's E3 Press Conference In Under 2 Minutes! Used Games, No DRM and More (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o7y9cPl-zc#ws)
EDIT: This is funnier, especially if you watch Game of Thrones (tho not necessary)
PS4 E3 No DRM Announcement - Mhysa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SE-LdCUlz0#ws)
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I can play FF vers... FFXV on it?!! check
Will FF15 even come out in PS4/XbOne's console generation? I think we are looking at the new Duke Nukem Forever
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Just placed my PS4 pre-order. :)
Now to wait till January.
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^ Also preordered my PS4, they are going to sell out pretty quickly this year. Got to get them early. There is a good chance that they will be released before January as well, I think Dec 31 is just a place holder date. I'm sure they want the system to be on sale at before X-mas.
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Oh, and the 399 US, 399 Euro, 349 UK price tag.
A big difference is that the Xbox One comes with the Kinect included, for the PS4 you need to add $49 for the eye.
So the price difference isn't that much I think (not that I currently use the Kinect much).
I have not pre-ordered either, w'll see what is available for games when I want to play it.
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So PS4 is $100 cheaper, arguably better hardware, most of the same games with a few great exclusives, no DRM bullshit...
I think my mind is made up.
You've just said what many gamers think right now. The Sony conference itself was....ok? It was awesome to see Supergiant Games (makers of Bastion and upcoming Transistor) up there but a lot of it was ok with the usual multimedia stuff we've all seen before. That AC4 demo though. Ouch. Gotta feel for those guys.
Really those last 15 mins saved it and practically defined the stand out winner of E3. It's a shame that it's come to a point where allowing used games or no online DRM should be seen as a feature to applaud, when it should never really be questioned to begin with. But no doubt Sony went for the juggular in that regard and the price point as well? Unbelievable, I only read about it when I woke up this morning, but watching Shi's videos back still makes me smile and get excited. Also, you had to be excited as well for FFXV and the Kingdom Hearts 3 announcement. That in itself will be justification for quite a few people, even though it was revealed today that both will be multi platform.
The only potential downside, that a few people at least have now complained about, is the PS Plus subscription is required if you want to play online multiplayer. That's a shame if they feel that way, but honestly, it shouldn't be seen as a negative point. For the price of one retail game, for the year, you get unbelievable value for money and so much more value is returned to you at the end of it all then from what you put in. It's not a paywall like Xbox Live Gold is (I know they've announced free games each month too but that's only since yesterday.) Free games each month, discounts, cloud storage. You can't argue with PS Plus, you can't.
Have to laugh at this video as well, Sony puts down Microsoft in a short 22 sec video. :lol:
Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA#ws)
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Oh, and the 399 US, 399 Euro, 349 UK price tag.
A big difference is that the Xbox One comes with the Kinect included, for the PS4 you need to add $49 for the eye.
So the price difference isn't that much I think (not that I currently use the Kinect much).
Well, I wouldn't use Kinect and I'm not buying the Eye, so works out for me. I don't even keep a webcam connected to my PC.
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well that DRM thing is just everywhere now, and it's just getting on everybody nerves -_- gonna go with PS4 though, from price, games, no DRM, and more important is the shape, because Xbox One is literally.. a box, enough said then ~
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Microsoft's answer if you want an XBox One but can't because you have no internet? Get a 360 instead.
Microsoft Xbox Responds to the PS4 Xbox One Bashing - E3 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI__nRSvzxY#ws)
Oh boy. It's not even so much in what he said, but the way he said it. The hole is getting dug even further.
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well that DRM thing is just everywhere now, and it's just getting on everybody nerves -_- gonna go with PS4 though, from price, games, no DRM, and more important is the shape, because Xbox One is literally.. a box, enough said then ~
I was reading that Sony also has the DRM option for publishers to block re-sale, it just is not told 'out load' at the moment?
Xbox One is an entertainment center, most of its 'TV' options are not for me either, again its all to which games run where that I'll decide what to buy.
Not some hyped-up statements which are not even relevant to what I do with the it.
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Are there any vids of Nintendo's E3 conference other than the Pokemon X & Y trailer?
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I can play the Pokemon x Final Fantasy monsters x Shin Megami Tensei monsters Battle Coliseum crossover game I always dreamed of on it?!!! some people are just so hard to please... XD
When I saw this I was like "Wait, what? They have a game like that...?"
Was so out of it I thought it was real and tried looking for it lmao. XD
Although I wish there was one :P
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I can play the Pokemon x Final Fantasy monsters x Shin Megami Tensei monsters Battle Coliseum crossover game I always dreamed of on it?!!! some people are just so hard to please... XD
When I saw this I was like "Wait, what? They have a game like that...?"
Was so out of it I thought it was real and tried looking for it lmao. XD
Although I wish there was one :P
Sorry, its not happened yet. But we can dream. Hell, we damn have the technology for it! 8)
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Do y'all think the WiiU will be falling back to the casual audience instead of being able to compete with PS4? Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8 & Bayonetta 2 will only come out next year, no Galaxy 3, & the LoZ title is Wind Waker remake? And why still no Metroid since 2010??
So this year's WiiU upcoming titles are Donkey Kong Country(1st party), Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Rayman Legends, Arkham Origins, AC4, Watch Dogs & Pikmin (also 1st party)
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PS4 VS X-Box One in a Nutshell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPop3hlEYz8#ws)
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Giant Bomb reporting that Microsoft are prepared to do a complete reversal on their online DRM/used game policies (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/)
And by that I mean a complete reversal. No online check every 24 hours (which makes their claim that it was essential for the XBONE to work just a tad bit shady), you can trade used games, sell them, give them to a friend. Heck they'll even remove region locking apparently. I don't believe for a second MS' claim that it was a decision "for the consumers". No, you saw how the entire industry was opposed to your DRM bullshit, how your biggest competitior embarrassed you and how pre orders for your console have taken a dive while the PS4 has gone up. There's no sense of goodwill on your part here, it's a business decision.
This is good, this was practically necessary if they wanted to remain competitive this generation at all. Granted it's still £80-£100 more expensive than a PS4, and all for a piece of functionality that I don't want (hi Kinect) but if true, getting rid of the DRM bullshit is a win for everyone as far as I'm concerned. Not only does it get rid of that nonsense, but it keeps things competitive between Microsoft and Sony, which will ultimately show benefits for us, the consumer, as a result.
May as well call it the Xbox 180 at this point. YEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
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there's also a rumor they may even drop the price by 100 - 150 just to match Sony.
EVEN SEGA WASN'T THIS DESPERATE.
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At least MS didn't go like ubisoft, poke their own eyes out and flat-out continued lying.
But the damage is done, they've lost gamer confidence in their brand. And around 6 months to do some major gamer-community ass-kissing to get some of it back. :shakeit:
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I guess I'll consider the Xbox One.
But damn, the PS4 is still looking mighty fine. The main reason I got a PS3 was to play the Yakuza series, but it seems like the future of its Western releases is a bit murky.
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It was either going to be both or neither, so I guess it's not really a surprise.
Seems like they scrambled and made that 'Family Share' thing to compensate for consumers not being able to trade/sell their games but there was no way that was ever going to fly. :lol:
I'm guessing once they actually sat down and tried to work it out publishers were like "oh fuck no". It was the same with the PSN game sharing, got abused to hell then gimped because of the publisher outcry. Without that there was going to be no justification to consumers for such invasive DRM and they decided to back off. Hallelujah!
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Giant Bomb reporting that Microsoft are prepared to do a complete reversal on their online DRM/used game policies (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/)
And by that I mean a complete reversal. No online check every 24 hours (which makes their claim that it was essential for the XBONE to work just a tad bit shady)
No, the each 24h check-in was for games you downloaded/lent to others. If I hear correctly that option is gone now.
People made so much noise about the 24h check that the real reason was 'snowed under' I think...
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^ Not sure where you're getting that info from as every gaming site I've seen stated the 24 hour check in applied to all games. Downloaded or whether you bought it on a disc. It was going to check once every 24 hours for authentication, to see if the game needed updates or if you traded your games. Or every one hour if you were logged onto a separate console accessing your library.
Bit more clarification since the news yesterday. With things back to 360 level, it does mean that playing disc based games must mean you have the disc in the console, even if installed. A few other things they had proposed, like the ability to sell/trade downloaded games and the ability to have 10 Xbox Ones into a "10-person family sharing plan" for lending digital games, is also no longer going ahead with the change. Those sounded like a good idea too, but the publisher's wouldn't take too kindly to selling just one copy of a game and having that being passed around friends then selling 10 copies of their game outright. Same thing happened with Sony who did something similar for PS3 and allowing the same for 5 people, but they had to scale it back as a result because of the aforementioned scenario. So you win some, you lose some.
I wouldn't be surprised if they tried again, only the restrictions won't be so....restricted, it'll be done piecemeal and maybe worded better. Some are going as far as to say this is a bad thing, because now:
1. There's very little to differentiate between the consoles, the only discussion can be had around minor changes to the hardware specs
2. Nothing's being done to really change a shift towards and all digital market to purchase games
3. All we'll get is better looking versions of the games we play currently.
But they don't seem to realise that:
1. That was always going to happen even if Xbox One did have these same policies, because fanboys will be fanboys.
2. They don't seem to realise that a digital market already exists for both Xbox and Playstation, with the promise that games will be available to download from Day One next gen.
3. This was always going to be the case :lol:
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^I read somewhere (I forgot where) that this family sharing thing was more like a demo mode, because you could only share a game for about an hour and only two people could play the same game at the same time.
So no big loss there imho.
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i'm looking forward for gaikai service. Hope they will say something at gamescom or tokyo game show.
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I read that the PS4 was able to be $100 less than the Xbox One by skipping out on their camera that they were developing.
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I read that the PS4 was able to be $100 less than the Xbox One by skipping out on their camera that they were developing.
Well yes. Off course Xbox180 cost 100 dollars more only because of kinect. I'm pretty sure, if sell will not go well, microsoft will remove kinect from the boxes.
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^ I dunno if they can. While they said the always online function was integral to how XBONE works and how they were proved wrong, I don't think the same can be said of the Kinect. It does more than play games now, and is integral for voice recognition to flick between TV channels and the camera to authenticate who you are or whatever bullshit they have planned for it.
I think the most that people can hope for is a price cut faster than usual, which will probably happen if they want to stay competitive with Sony. Or introduce the long rumoured subsidised model. So they can put the console out there for as low as $299 or lower and have you pay the rest off over time, like you would with a mobile phone for example.
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^ I dunno if they can. While they said the always online function was integral to how XBONE works and how they were proved wrong, I don't think the same can be said of the Kinect. It does more than play games now, and is integral for voice recognition to flick between TV channels and the camera to authenticate who you are or whatever bullshit they have planned for it.
I think the most that people can hope for is a price cut faster than usual, which will probably happen if they want to stay competitive with Sony. Or introduce the long rumoured subsidised model. So they can put the console out there for as low as $299 or lower and have you pay the rest off over time, like you would with a mobile phone for example.
It's true kinect do many things now, but none of them are mandatory for using a console (or every tech devices), and also more of those tv features will never come out of US. Microsoft it's trying to force people using kinect, but i think there are many people out there that don't mind about it and don't wanna spend 100 dollars/euros for it.
I also think they have already a plan B ready. If sells will not be good they will just release 2 versions (one with kinect and one without), with the result to have a ps4 inside an xbox box. After what they done with drm, used games and always online i don't think they will have many concerns doing that.
Now i'm expecting titanfall to become multyplatform. After microsoft's turn they gained some consents, and sony must stay aggressive.
Anyway it promises a good gamescom and tgs
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And Don Mattrick is gone... First head rolling on the floor...
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Microsoft Will Give You $100 For Your PS3
Dave Thier | 01/31/2014 @ 1:47PM
An interesting little promotion out of the Microsoft camp: the Xbox One maker will give gamers $100 for an old video game console at any Microsoft Store in the country. While the promotion extends to the Xbox 360, Xbox 360 and PS3, the “ditch your PS3″ language in the ad is fairly specific (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/microsoft-offers-trade-in-credit-to-ditch-for-ps3-for-an-xbox-one-1220356). The offer runs through March 2.
By way of comparison, local Gamestops told me that you can get between $30-90 for a 360 or PS3, so the $100 represents an increase, albeit a very modest one, off the top end of that. Your console must be in good working condition.
The dollar amount is no coincidence — the Xbox One is $100 more expensive than the PS4, so one supposes that this promotion is intended to bridge that mental gap. Of course, these calculations could also just serve to remind gamers that they could pay $399 for a PS4 and keep their last-gen console just as easily. Considering the fact that there aren’t very many games out for either Xbox One or PS4 at the moment, one might be wise to hang on to an older machine through the long cold winter.
There are a few big differences between Xbox One and PS4, but as this promotion reminds us, none of them are more important than price. As long as these two machines have similar rosters of multiplatform games, buying the cheaper console is will be more appealing to the majority of shoppers. Some analysts suspect that we might see price cuts on both consoles much faster than than in the past, but PS4 is likely to maintain its edge for a little while now.
One does wonder just what Microsoft plans on doing with the PS3s they receive — one supposes it could easily refurbish and sell
360s, but maybe it will just have to harvest the Sony machines for parts? Hard to say.
LINKS
- http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/01/31/microsoft-will-give-you-100-for-your-ps3 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/01/31/microsoft-will-give-you-100-for-your-ps3)
- http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/microsoft-offers-trade-in-credit-to-ditch-for-ps3-for-an-xbox-one-1220356 (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/microsoft-offers-trade-in-credit-to-ditch-for-ps3-for-an-xbox-one-1220356)
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$100 isn't much - especially if you have a bunch of PSN games or use it as a blu-ray player or media center.
I needed the money for school, but I still regret parting with my PS1 and SNES. I wouldn't see off an old console unless I had to.
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So it finally happened. Despite claims that it was an integral part to the system as early as three months ago, claiming the OS won't work without it, Microsoft will sell a Kinect-less version of the Xbox One later this year. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-13-microsoft-to-sell-xbox-one-without-kinect) In addition, any streaming apps like Netflix are now no longer hidden behind Xbox Live Gold and it's additional paywall.
And that is ultimately, why competition is always a good thing. Because rest assured, had Sony not come out firing from the start, this never would have happened. Kind of embarrassing really, they spent 5 years designing this console and all of the key features of the original design have been removed within months, having to contradict themselves over it.
By even having this model goes back on their ethos of really supporting the Kinect, which doesn't bode well for that peripheral. They seem to have spent a fortune in really pushing the peripheral but nobody wants it if developers are just going to develop shovelware for it. Even so, it's still kind of too late and still too expensive for what is a slightly less powerful PS4 at this point. What are you going to buy it for then? Those many exclusives that Microsoft has?
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I'm not really into games like I used to be. I think that part of me largely died when I bought a PS3 and then realised that I'd never get to see Kingdom Hearts 3 on it. However, even though I feel like I'm mostly past my game-playing stage of life, the new consoles - or at least the promise of new games - still has me really interested.
Everything Microsoft has done with the Xbox One in the last year or less has really been quite entertaining. I remember thinking, as loyal to Sony as I am, I would have bought the next gen Xbox had I decided to buy one of the consoles. Now I would have absolutely no qualms buying the PS4 instead (if games still gave me that level of satisfaction, anyway). It's not that I see the PS4 as being greatly superior, but more that Microsoft have made it so there's no reason for me to depart from the Sony brand.
I'd be lying if I said there are no next-gen games that have me excited: Child of Light (even though it's available on the current gen machines) and Dragon Age: Inquisition are definitely making me think twice about some of my life decisions (not to mention news of Kingdom Hearts 3). Furthermore, there's comfort in familiarity when it comes to the controls. I've heard the arguments for the Xbox controller being more intuitive than the PS controller, but 10+ years of playing the PS2 and later PS3 mean that I couldn't care less.
That debate aside, Nintendo really intrigues me. Everyone argues about PS vs Xbox, but Nintendo has managed to separate its consoles into a niche, post-gamecube (though I'm still wondering how successful you'd call the Wii in hindsight). It's not even so much that they seem to try going in a different direction in terms of hardware (though the WiiU concept is neat, I admit), but more that they've been able to hold onto Nintendo exclusives. Had Final Fantasy remained a PS exclusive, I can imagine there'd be a lot of Xbox converts still feeling the hurt. Regardless of the technology, Nintendo has a culture ingrained in it that both the Xbox and PS seem to lack. People may associate Halo, Gears of War and Fable with Xbox, whilst others will associate Crash Bandicoot, Spyro and Tomb Raider with Playstation, but the relationship just isn't as strong as Mario and Luigi, Pokemon and the Legend of Zelda are with Nintendo. I don't see Nintendo as having wronged its loyalists at all. Heck, even if you own a PS4 or Xbox One, there's a good chance that you'll still be playing your 3DS or whatever portable Nintendo device it is you have.
Okay, I don't understand this industry anymore. Good night.
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Yeah regardless of what your feelings are over Xbox One or PS4, if you're an impartial gamer then you would be doing a disservice to yourself to count out the Wii U. It probably has more games I would want to play right now than the main consoles. Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Project X (or whatever it will end up being called), Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World. And then you think of what's to come like a new Zelda, a new game from the Mario team or even a new Metroid (please). Sure I guess it's outdated hardware compared to the PS4 or the One but goddamn Mario Kart 8 is a good looking game which shows that Nintendo's design work is second to none. Makes me excited for any future games to come. My only concern is the lack of third party support. It could really do with it.
It's a weird time right now. New consoles are out but little to play on it. Any game that does come out is also cross gen and available on 360 and PS3 so the next gen versions can't really shine as bright as it could when you have to pull off resources to work on current gen versions to be released at the same date. You wish it was different but a 100 million units for 360/PS3 is nothing to scoff at in potential sales so it may be this for a while yet. It needs games just for the new consoles to start shifting people over and that looks like it will come. Arkham Knight, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age, Sunset Overdrive, FFXV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Halo 5, Uncharted 4, Project Beast. They'll all come eventually, although it's in 2015 for a lot of them so this year seems kind of a dud for now. I'm prepared to wait it out a bit longer. Still, gets me interested for this years E3, because if last year was about selling the hardware, this year it has to be about games. Microsoft needs to come out with some names and exclusives to get people excited and Sony has to maintain momentum. Should be good.
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Kids telling us how it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfFU9u3XXww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfFU9u3XXww)
Interesting figures for the best-selling consoles of all time in there too, which obviously clears my doubts about the Wii. However, I am worried about the kid who compares the Xbox One to a personal slave.
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It looked like Wii U was going to have a little more third party support when it launched given that Call of Duty and an Arkham title were released for it, but there really hasn't been much since. And it may be outdated hardware comparatively, but they've definitely upped their game, at least where graphics are concerned (for Nintendo anyway). I know I keep saying this, but that system has SO MUCH potential and it's just not quite meeting it with the game releases. The launch title Mario was bland, making Super Mario 3D World seem too little, too late... though it's still one of the best Mario games in the entire franchise. I'm stoked for Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros., I'm just kind of tired of waiting so long in between good games for that system. I love my Wii U, but it's been a Hulu machine for the last couple of months or so. :(
I guess Nintendo is still realllllyyyy focusing on the 3DS, which is great because that's an amazing handheld.
But after reading Tuffty's post, it seems like it's that way for XBone and PS4?
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^ The third party situation on the Wii U is a little more...dire, then PS4 and Xbox One. PS4 and Xbox One are just stuck in that phase where they can't really make the full transfer over from old consoles to new. Too large a userbase of 360's and PS3's, too much of an expensive risk to focus only on making a game only just for the new consoles at this point, when not nearly everyone is compelled to pay £300+ on a new console if it doesn't have that many compelling games right now (me for one). There will come a point where that's no longer an issue as more and more games come out for it and console prices drop over time but that's just how it is right now.
Wii U however is in that awkward position because, I feel, there's not enough Wii U owners. even this far in, to justify most publishers spending time and money on making Wii U compatible versions of these great looking next gen games like Arkham Knight. Taking that as an example, there would have to be other compelling reasons for people to opt for the Wii U version, some dramatic gameplay differences that makes it the better playing version at least, otherwise it's automatically the lesser looking version by default and who would necessarily want that? It's a little telling that the only third party titles worth getting exited for have Nintendo involvement with it in some way (Bayonetta 2 is partly funded by Nintendo and Monolith, the studio behind Project X, only does work for Nintendo). You had hope in the beginning, with promises of more third party support from publishers but after the launch, just as you mentioned mini, the Wii U has just had no releases in the months after to keep any interest in it as you're waiting so long in between good games. Then you have the marketing confusion around the name (people considered the Wii U as an accessory to the Wii and not a brand new console) and being shown at a time where the next consoles from Sony and Microsoft were already going to better it in terms of hardware architecture... it's just really unfortunate.
But like I said, they are building up a good catalog of games, both now and in the near future. The possibilities are exciting. As a gamer, you'd be a fool to disregard the Wii U. I wouldn't say it's in competition with the Xbox One or PS4, but it's in it's own little niche pumping out some great looking. great playing and comparatively cheaper full retail price games. If I was going to buy a new console this year, I'd probably go for it.
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The Xbox One and PS4 stopped being of any interest to me when I learnt about the webcam features and integrated voice control. I understand wanting/needing to innovate and move forward, but these technologies is not something I want in my house, nor do I think they'll greatly benefit console gaming.
I got a WiiU at launch, and it is truly an amazing system. I agree, the games have been few and far apart, but the quality of these games do make up for the wait, in my opinion. I do, of course, understand that people aren't as patient as me. I also have to say that Nintendo's e-shop is far and beyond the easiest service for downloading games. The PlayStation Store (on the PS3 at any rate) is awful. Our Xbox360 is so noisy, I can only stand to have it on for about 30 minutes at a time - I've had the thing for years, and I still struggle with the menus XD; Uuuugh.
I've more or less always been a Nintendo fangirl, so there is probably some bias involved - but, I mean, have you tried the WiiU? The off-screen play feature alone makes it worth it. And let's not forget the virtual console - this console has now made it possible for European fans to play Earthbound on their own consoles. I hope we'll get more releases like this. I'd love for the American audience to be able to experience Terranigma, for instance (probably never going to happen, but damn XD).
I do think the age long console war is pretty silly, in the end, people will choose the system that fills their needs. No matter what system you support, it's interesting seeing what features people embrace, and what features are left unexplored and neglected. It'll be interesting to see where this generation will lead us.