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General => Akihabara => Topic started by: Masabi on March 04, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
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Just add "&fmt=18" to the URL!...
I picked a subbed video because you can tell the difference between the subs being blurry or not.
No format tag (standard):
320x240 @ 29.97 fps
Flash video (Sorenson h.263)
MP3 Audio (22.05KHz, mono)
FLV container
3.28MB
http://g.appleguru.org/nofmt.flv [appleguru.org]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM
Format 6 tag:
448x298 @ 29.98fps
Flash video (Sorenson h.263)
MP3 Audio (44.1KHz, mono)
FLV Conatiner
9.44MB
http://g.appleguru.org/fmt6.flv [appleguru.org]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=6
Format 17 tag:
176x144 @ 12fps
MPEG-4 Video (simple profile)
MPEG-4 (AAC) audio (22.05KHz, mono)
3gp container
832KB
http://g.appleguru.org/fmt17.3gp [appleguru.org]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=17
Format 18 tag:
480x320 @ 29.97fps
MPEG-4 Video (H.264)
MPEG-4 (AAC) audio (44.1KHz, STEREO!)
mp4 container
6.28MB
http://g.appleguru.org/fmt18.mp4 [appleguru.org]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=18
I suggest you all use FMT 18 because it's the most high quality.
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I must say that's a nice little trick, but... HD doesn't just mean "better quality"! ;)
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yeah ~ nice XD
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I must say that's a nice little trick, but... HD doesn't just mean "better quality"! ;)
Agreed, it's a great trick, and when you said HD I was thinking 300MB 4 minute files compressed into youtube. When I saw Dohhh-up I was kind of like "what"? XD
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lol yeah it's not HD, not even SD, just higher res.
Cool trick though, and thanks for the tip, didn't know you can do that.
Anyone mind explaing how this works to me though? >_>
Do they have like different encodes or something or is it like in the original format and it's converted on the fly when you stream it? o_O
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wow..that's pretty sweet. how does it work?
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Wow, that's pretty cool!
I found that when I added &fmt=18 to the url it didn't play in my browser but it downloaded (as "video[1].mp4") and I could get the video from the temp folder (C:\Documents and Settings\username.USERNAME\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\). In that folder is a bunch of folders with random names - to make it easier to find the file, delete all those randomly named folders before you load the youtube page, then when you've started downloading delete as many of the folders as you can and the one that won't delete is the one that has your file in it. Always check the video plays right to the end as sometimes it doesn't all download.
I found that I didn't always get 480x360, I got a bunch of different sizes, I guess it depends on what size the original was - you're not gonna get a bigger screen res that the original. Same with audio as well, that wasn't always the same quality. Occasionally one downloaded that was the same (or worse) then youtube quality - that will have been a .flv that someone downloaded from someone else and re-uploaded.
Has anyone else been trying this out? Sometimes a video starts to download but then stops and I only get about a quarter of the video. :banghead:
Dammit, there was a load of videos of The Peanuts I wanted to go back and get better versions of but a lot of them have gone.
I wonder how/why it does this? I mean, when someone uploads their video does youtube create an mp4 and a 3gp and that other size flv as well as the normal flv? Could it keep the uploaded video and create the other files on the fly? I doubt it as that's a lot of processing power needed to encode all those files all the time - a lot of people use youtube, it'd be impossible. So the only logical conclusion is it creates the mp4 and the other files when you upload, but if that's true why do they not use them. How did someone find this out? Pretty amazing.
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I wonder how/why it does this? I mean, when someone uploads their video does youtube create an mp4 and a 3gp and that other size flv as well as the normal flv? Could it keep the uploaded video and create the other files on the fly? I doubt it as that's a lot of processing power needed to encode all those files all the time - a lot of people use youtube, it'd be impossible. So the only logical conclusion is it creates the mp4 and the other files when you upload, but if that's true why do they not use them. How did someone find this out? Pretty amazing.
Yeah I was wondering the same exact thing. I guess they want to keep it a uniform source so they make the flv, but why bother making the mp4? for their own personal use? :lol: Maybe they want to preserve the original form for some reason.
It's weird that it doesn't load in your browser though o_O
It loads fine for me, and if I wanted to dl the vid I could just use the usual way(But I never dl yt vids cause I hate the quality).
But yeah sometimes the vid times out, doesn't load it all, and you have to refresh to watch the rest. But that happens occasionally without the &fmt=18 also.
Oh wait I just realized something... It's for ipod video use I think XD
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I found that when I added &fmt=18 to the url it didn't play in my browser
I can't get it to load on Firefox, but loads fine on Internet Explorer.. Unsure why :?
Had a lookie at one of the clips I've posted, and while the quality was an improvement, the aspect ratio was wrong..
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8260/originalkb8.jpg)
No tags (correct ratio)
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/149/fmt18wl1.jpg)
&fmt=18 (incorrect ratio)
:edit:
Oops, it actually downloads with the correct aspect ratio..
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was wondering if it works embedded too
without tag
[youtube=425,350]TqwPNWt9XkM[/youtube]
with tag
[youtube=425,350]TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=18[/youtube]
it doesn't :/
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^ Just guessing, but with the extra parameter you might be downloading the origional file.
What you see in the player is .flv, because its a 'flash player'
Its about the same as with veoh, where the downloaded file is the origional.
The preview window is streching the contents to 'full window' hence the aspect ratio problem.
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^ The original file I uploaded was .avi and 61meg, the one downloaded with the parameter was .mp4 and 13meg
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^ then its time to experiment with more parameters to see if the original file is also downloadable?
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Oh wait I just realized something... It's for ipod video use I think XD
I was thinking something similar. I think you can play youtube on some cellphones (or maybe just iphone??), and I think that's what the .3gp version is for. If someone managed to work out what url iphone was accessing they'd have seen the extra bit in the url and experimented with other numbers. I'm just clutching at straws here.
I saved the url's of the files that wouldn't download and I tried them again later (when maybe things were less busy?) and they worked.
I noticed the info in the video...
Audio: AAC 44100Hz stereo 110Kbps [(C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007.]
Video: MPEG4 Video (AVC) 400x304 [(C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007.]
Google video. Maybe they first started making mp4's when Google bought youtube. I know that Google Video (Google video now lists youtube stuff, I'm talking about original Google Video) allows you to download in avi or pmp so maybe it's connected with that somehow. I have noticed that some files I tried to download (uploaded in 2006) wouldn't download. Also one uploaded last week won't download. Maybe there's a backlog of encoding to do or
maybe they stopped doing it. I've saved the url and I'l try it again later.
^ then its time to experiment with more parameters to see if the original file is also downloadable?
I was thinking that too, maybe there's a tag you can add to get the original file, no matter what filetype it is?
One thing I noticed about aspect ratio was that sometimes I download a flv and it's really stretched and tall, but when I downloaded the mp4 of one like this it looks normal. A shame I can't find a rare Ayu video that was stretched, it's probably gone now. Another advantage is I can play mp4 with media player classic and easily change the aspect ratio and audio sync with a few keypresses and play them full screen. With flv I couldn't play them very large, when I play flv in a big window it really thrashes my cpu.
Weird, the embedded one that says "it doesn't" works for me! (EDIT:But it plasy as a 320x240 flv)
EDIT: I tried to embed one that doesn't have an mp4 (repeated attempts and it never plays), and it played but it was igonring the tag for me and just played the normal flv.
EDIT2:I tried one that I knew was there and got the message "We're sorry, this video is no longer available."
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SHIT! 30 minutes ago it stopped giving out mp4 and is giving the normal flv when you add the tag. Can anyone else confirm? Format 6 gives the normal flv too.
Ah, it was nice while it lasted.
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^i'm still getting mp4's.
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Are you sure? Did you check the file on your HD or just let it play? Is it playing in your browser, because that's what happens for me but when I check the file it's flv and not mp4.
Maybe they blocked me - I downloaded 1.61gb of mp4's in 2 days! XD :lol:
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haha dang...thas a lot of vids. yea, i checked the file in my folder and it was an mp4. it played and everything.
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Damn, the bastards must have blocked me then. Grrr! I wonder how long the ban lasts.
I tried a proxy and I'm still only getting flv.
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Weird, the embedded one that says "it doesn't" works for me! (EDIT:But it plasy as a 320x240 flv)
Yeah that's what I meant, if you embed it, it ignores the tag and just plays the normal flv.
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Gahhh! It still won't work. :banghead: It's like I was given a new toy and someone took it away. :?
EDIT: Ha! I found out how to make a download link by looking in the source code!
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^ I use keepvid, just past in the view URL and it will give you a link you can right-click 'save' on.
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^ I use keepvid, just past in the view URL and it will give you a link you can right-click 'save' on.
Keepvid works with the mp4 links now? When I tried a few days ago it just gave the normal flv.
EDIT: And it still doesn't work for mp4's, I just tried now.
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I tried this link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=18
and keepvid gives the .flv, mediainfo also says its H263/flv
do you have other (new) links to try?
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From today it looks like youtube have been trialling the higher quality versions of vids.
(http://i26.tinypic.com/xlzfp5.jpg)
See the "watch this video in higher quality" link below the player window.
It seems to be adding the link at random to random vids then later if you check the video the link isn't there. Presumably they're rolling it out gradually to make sure the server can handle it.
I tried this link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqwPNWt9XkM&fmt=18
and keepvid gives the .flv, mediainfo also says its H263/flv
do you have other (new) links to try?
That's what I meant. Keepvid ignores the fmt=18 and just gives the flv.
New links? What do you mean? Almost every link also has a mp4 available. Paste the link in your browser with the &fmt=18 added and retrieve the mp4 froim the cache afterwards. We're not talking about flv here, but the higher quality mp4 that's also available.
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That's what I meant. Keepvid ignores the fmt=18 and just gives the flv.
New links? What do you mean? Almost every link also has a mp4 available. Paste the link in your browser with the &fmt=18 added and retrieve the mp4 froim the cache afterwards. We're not talking about flv here, but the higher quality mp4 that's also available.
I know, thats why I wanted some links with still known working high-quality links/mp4's to see what keepvis is doing with them.
(it still looks like it only gets the 320x240 version)
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www.youconvertit.com (http://www.youconvertit.com) is a good place for converting
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huh? I don't think they need to convert anything.
I think almost every yt vid has a mp4 version of it. It has worked for every vid I've tried so far.
oh and I think Dan might be right about them testing it out for future use. I googled it and found this
http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9817732-2.html
sounds pretty nifty. And for those with weak connections they'll still have the crap quality vids they've always used :P
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Yeah I don't need to convert anything. Some of the mp4's look really nice when played full screen! (whereas the flv's full screen would look like shit).
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@ ~Dan~
I get "watch this video in lower quality" with every video I add that &fmt=18 tag, and if I click it, I'm then asked if I want to watch it in higher quality.. So I'm thinking that these tags are simply for the quality vs speed thing they are planning on doing..
And I noticed this in the source code...
http://m.youtube.com/
...which is for mobile phones and uses .3gp video extension.. Can't get any of them to play, but don't really want to either, since they are so damn small..
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hmm interesting.
My brother's new phone has some youtube thing, but I can never seem to get it to work. maybe it uses that, but it's currently in development so it doesn't work yet?
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hmm interesting.
My brother's new phone has some youtube thing, but I can never seem to get it to work. maybe it uses that, but it's currently in development so it doesn't work yet?
You (currently?) stil need a flashplayer to see the video's.
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@ ~Dan~
I get "watch this video in lower quality" with every video I add that &fmt=18 tag, and if I click it, I'm then asked if I want to watch it in higher quality.. So I'm thinking that these tags are simply for the quality vs speed thing they are planning on doing..
Yeah it's working again for me now. Whatever ban they put on my ip has been lifted. (I found a way around it last week anyway! :lol:)
There's a blog post here about the high quality: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=ponKL3LTyr0
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keepvid.com will now produce two links for a youtube, one .flv one .mp4
search is over :)
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I've found that Sony Vegas is a really good tool for successfully being able to upload your videos with that high definition/standard definition option.
The settings I use are:
CBR Windows Media Audio 9.2, 192kbps, 44kHz, stereo
Bitrate VBR Windows Media Video 9 480x360 @ 59.94(Double NTSC)fps Average bit rate 1.50 M
and this will produce a wmv file that when you upload it to youtube, within an hour it should give you the hd option as well as the sd.
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I use savevids (onlnei service) to download then
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I prefer Youtube HD downloader for any users
and for Firefox user, plz use video downloadhelper extension :cow:
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hmm, isn't it depends on the video quality uploaded by the uploader too?
if the uploader uploads a bad quality video, I don't think the video resolution will get any better because of this. . . :?
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this topic was made 4 years ago, haha. things are different now!
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this topic was made 4 years ago, haha. things are different now!
oh lol that makes sense :lol:
I wonder why the mods don't just lock this old thread?
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awesomeeeee, gonna use this right away
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It's great to watch videos from Youtube on fullscreen mode with 1080p HD quality