really? so why is it a fact they always remember who is the guy that took the last shot to win the game? but not the whole team? I am pretty sure a lot of young people remember Michael Jordan but not Dennis Rodman. If a player isn't able to come through for the team at critical times, how is he better than another player in the game of basketball... this is why Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time cuz he always come through for the team
People remember the last shot to win a game because IT WAS THE LAST SHOT. Being the most recent thing to happen in one's memory, of course it's going to stick. That's something you learn in first year university Psychology. Also, when it's a last shot to win a game, there will be a lot more drama and tension surrounding it. Again, this contributes to the fact that this particular shot will be more easily remembered. Again, simple Psychology.
People don't remember Dennis Rodman?
Maybe if you're 16 and under and you're a novice at the game, but anyone who's a serious NBA fan, regardless of their age, will know who Rodman is. Never mind that he's one of, if not THE greatest rebounder in NBA history, but there's also his outlandish behaviour off of the court (like the cross-dressing, the marriage to Carmen Electra, the affair with Madonna, the bad movies, the funky hair, the tatoos, etc.).
And just for the record, I agree with you on Jordan being the best in history. I don't know what criteria you personally use to base it on, I do it on the basis that his individual skills and his individual play as an individual player were BEYOND compare. I don't base it on the fact that he's got a bunch of championship rings. I'm not saying that as a shot at you, I'm just saying what I personally base that opinon on.
so gary payton, john stockton, steve nash hasn't come through for the team "yet", therefore they are not better than one another, in order to better than another player, he has to win a NBA championship which is getting a ring which none of them has one
its like someone would say "Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterback in the history of NFL?" ER WRONG! because he broke the TD record in a single reason? SO WHAT! he chokes at every single playoff game in this career... so according to your definition of a "better" player, is someone who is better at individual play like having awesome plays in his career and having the greatest season in that season to acquire MVP but chokes in playoff and critical game?
You still seem to be basing your entire argument on having a championship ring in order to be considered a good, skilled player. Dude, as I said befoe, you don't have to have a ring to be considered a good player. You say that Nash, Payton, and Stockton nevery "came through" for their teams when they needed to. There's only SO much that one player can do, even if he's the leader of a team. The rest of the players on that team have to do their part too. They have to step up, and play well in thier own right. The leader leads, but if the rest of the team doesn't follow through and step up their games, that's THEIR fault, not the leaders. You expect the leaders of a team to physically manipulate all their teammates to ensure they play well? Impossible. You can't judge a player just based on the results/successes/failures of his team. In order to be fair, a player must be judged based on his individual skills and accomplishments, which is what I've been saying all of this time. Having a championship ring can be counted as an accomplishment, but it isn't the ONLY thing that you should be looking for in a good, skilled player.
Oh, and I personally am not a fan of Peyton Manning. He's an okay QB, and I'll give him props for the TD record. But yeah, as you said so yourself, he chokes when it's crunch time. He needs to learn how to play under real pressure before I'll even consider putting him up amongst the best in the NFL.
well if u really want my opinion, currently in the league Tony Parker (who i really hate) is already better than all 3 of them in critical games, Chauncy Billups who isn't the best PG around is able to help the team to victory
Cool, that's more like it. See, making contributions like THIS to a discussion is better, and much more interesting. Instead of knocking the choices that are already here, you've provided some new ones to give the discussion an added, new dynamic. It gives you more credibility when you can provide alternate choices like this, compared to just saying that the existing ones are no good.
you know grammar doesn't exist on internet forums? by bringing the fact up, it shows that you don't belong on internet? and its totally unrelated to the topic whatsoever cuz you are trying to make yourself look smarter but instead.... just another person to be laughed at
I don't need to TRY and make myself look smarter. The people here who know me know that as an English teacher, I have certain standards. However, if you want to bring up the whole "smarter" thing, I'm confident enough that my 5 years of university study, my 2 Bachelor's degrees, my Teaching Certificate, and my 29 years of life experience all speak for themselves. Using good grammer and punctuation isn't hard. Look at the threads here. Look at the other sub-forums here. Look at the actual posts. Read them. You'll see that most everyone here has no trouble using good, proper grammer and punctuation. We've got people here from all over the globe, many for whom English is not their first language, and yet they STILL know where to capitalize and where to put their commas and where to put their periods. As I said, it's NOT that hard.
EDIT: Oh, and that crack you made in that last part that I quoted from you was a personal attack. I didn't mind debating with you regarding the players. But what you said there was over the line. It was uncalled for. It wasn't cool.
Consider yourself reported.