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Title: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: J-Triumf on January 26, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
Just announced, double A-side coming March 8th:
http://www.helloproject.com/news/6350/
(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38180.jpg)

Bad news, though: Maachan won't be on this single at all! :cry: I can understand leaving her out of dance shots, but not even singing on the song???

On the plus side, 13ki looking good/adorable! Also no more awkward Oda bangs yaaaass
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: mini*wheat on January 27, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
I'm so pumped for 13ki's debut and also only a double A-side!? Super bummed about Masaki, though. She usually gets a fairly decent lead. I wonder with her absence and the addition of 13 ki, how things will be distributed this single? I'm not a rabid LINE COUNTER or anything, but I do get excited when things are shook up a bit (though I obviously wish it was under way better circumstances)

I loved awkward Oda bangs  :lol:
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: JFC on January 29, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
TokyoHive.com - Morning Musume.'17 to release double A-side single in March (http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2017/01/morning-musume17-to-release-double-a-side-single-in-march)
- http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2017/01/morning-musume17-to-release-double-a-side-single-in-march
- http://natalie.mu/music/news/218499
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: oaxiac on February 11, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMFNB_Qomm8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A6v7dzBgX8
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on February 11, 2017, 10:26:55 PM
Whoa. Brand New Morning sounds kind of Kpop-y at times, but in a good way :lol:


Jealousy Jealousy has rapping? It cuts off right there lol
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: muppet on February 16, 2017, 02:08:05 AM
YokoYoko And Lady Kaga attack the camera...
Camera surrenders, pledges fealty....

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38209.jpg)


MV モーニング娘。'17 『BRAND NEW MORNING』 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF1cEsmT20M)
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: CrypticShadow8 on February 16, 2017, 02:24:18 AM
I am already obsessed. I wasn't sure how I felt from the radio preview but the MV preview has definitely decided for me.
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: Sacul097 on February 16, 2017, 05:53:56 PM
Kaede seems so professional, and her dancing was surprisingly impressive, but she could use a little more work on her facial expressions. Reina on the other hand has the attitude pretty much perfect. Her expressions in this video are basically telling me "Yeah, I'm in Morning Musume; come at me bro", and it's honestly really endearing. She could work on her singing a bit though. Both of them will probably improve a ton though, since Reina doesn't have that much training yet, and Kaede will probably get better with her expressions as she films more music videos.
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: muppet on February 17, 2017, 01:14:54 AM
(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38228.jpg)

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38230.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38230.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38231.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38231.jpg)
(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38232.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38232.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38233.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38233.jpg)
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on February 17, 2017, 07:25:57 AM
^ Small-eyed g.oddess in making :heart:
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: XcuteX26262X on February 20, 2017, 09:11:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z-3jHbbcZU
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: CrypticShadow8 on February 20, 2017, 09:42:27 AM
Yay! I'm so excited for this. I am admittedly a little sad that it seems like at the moment they're pushing Reina a bit more than Kaede (I am very biased and I know it) but it's still early days and there's another song so I hope the split will be pretty even. Which you know is easy with it being a 2 people gen and all.

I did love the amount of Miki though and Eripon's line was so good!
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: muppet on February 20, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
There was some nice camera
time for Akane chan!

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38245.jpg)

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38246.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38246.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38247.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38247.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38248.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38248.jpg)
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on February 20, 2017, 08:28:54 PM
OOHH stuff

I did quick analysis based on the MV:
- Fukumura & Yokoyama get 2 solo lines
- Ikuta, Kudo, Oda, Kaga get 1 solo line
- Iikubo, Ishida, Ogata, Nonaka, Makino, Haga 0 solo lines

When two or three people are singing,
- Kudo is shown singing 5 times
- Yokoyama and Nonaka 4 times
- Iikubo, Oda, Kaga 3 times
- Fukumura, Ishida, Ogata, Makino, Haga 2 times
- Ikuta 0 times (she does have shared lines, but you can't really see it in an obvious way, which is what I was interested in)

In addition to the above, these are the number of solo shots during chorus etc. group lines;
(+number) means times that these members were focused/central on camera during dance shot:
- Kaga 6(+2)
- Ishida 5(+2)
- Oda 5
- Haga, Yokoyama 4(+1)
- Fukumura, Ikuta, Iikubo 4
- Nonaka 3
- Kudo, Makino 2
- Ogata 1 (+1)

In total these add up to a weird sum of "focus given in the MV" of:
- Yokoyama 10 (+1)
- Kaga 9 (+2)
- Oda 9 
- Fukumura, Kudo 8
- Ishida 7 (+2)
- Iikubo, Nonaka 7
- Haga 6 (+1)
- Ikuta 5
- Makino 4
- Ogata 3 (+1)

Note that these numbers probably aren't exact, since I did this very quickly; you should think of them as the "general idea".

HOWEVER numbers don't tell everything, since there are notable qualitative differences between screen time.

For instance, it's not just that Yokoyama got a lot of screen time. She was also:
- The first person to have a solo line
- The first to dance during the dance break with her and Kaga in focus
- The last to walk towards the camera during the part when everyone does
- Got the last solo shot

So basically, Yokoyama was the first member they wanted people to notice, the last member they wanted us to see, and the member they wanted us to see the most in between. Kaga and Yokoyama *sort of* got the same amount of screen time as newbies, but it was qualitatively very different. There were also some moments of them in central positions during the dance shot, where I marked 4 for Yokoyama and 2 for Kaga, but honestly I'm not sure now what I based that on, so it's kind of sloppy information.

Also, even if Ikuta didn't receive that much screen time, it is notable that she had a solo line, and that kind of screen time beats other kinds of screen time. It's the most valuable kind of screen time really, unless it's a special kind of MV like Kobushi Factory's "Sakura Night Fever" (with Tagucchi as the tree). So congrats Eripon.

I'm kind of more interested to see the other MV now...
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: john_hung on February 21, 2017, 05:51:34 AM
The new girls fit in seamlessly   :twothumbs   I just hope they're not gonna try and put pressure on this Reina to try and fill the previous Reina's (platform) shoes...
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: winner on February 22, 2017, 03:33:13 PM
@00:40 Jealousy Jealousy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BH8DpdQm4c
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: JFC on February 23, 2017, 02:44:37 AM
TokyoGirlsUpdate.com - Morning Musume.’17 Begin the Revolution in the MV for “BRAND NEW MORNING” (https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-brand-new-morning-201702119045.html)
- https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-brand-new-morning-201702119045.html
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: Sacul097 on February 23, 2017, 04:46:48 PM
Well Kaede really stands out in Jealousy Jealousy, so that's something. I love that part where she switches with Haruka. So even if she doesn't get solo lines, at least she seems to get more screen time to make up for the imbalance in BNM. But we've only seen the first half of the MV, so for all we know the rest of it could be completely Reina-centric.
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: muppet on February 25, 2017, 08:18:57 AM
 Some making of moments

Fluffy girls....

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38264.jpg)


Transformed into

an Army
(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38269.jpg)

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38265.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38265.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38266.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38266.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38267.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38267.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/t/jphip38268.jpg) (http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38268.jpg)


モーニング娘。'17「BRAND NEW MORNING」MV撮影の裏側 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDfCYPL81S0)
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: J-Triumf on February 27, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
Morning Musume presents "Rapper's Delight '17" 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdV88f-OxCA
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: JFC on February 28, 2017, 06:04:44 AM
TokyoGirlsUpdate.com - Morning Musume.’17 Step into a World of Rap-ture in the MV for “Jealousy Jealousy” (https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-jealousy-jealousy-201702119502.html)
- https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-jealousy-jealousy-201702119502.html
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on February 28, 2017, 06:55:56 AM
AHHH I'M LOVING THIS SINGLE.

ALSO KAEDII IS SO AWESOME I FEEL SO SLAYED. ;___; HALP
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: J-Triumf on February 28, 2017, 08:32:53 AM
oh hey I just realized this single comes out on Sakurako Wada's birthday

Alright, it's been a while since I did a long rant on H!P songs; been meaning to for a few releases last year but I figure now's a good time to just try again! (oops, wrong group)

BRAND NEW MORNING
So speaking of old-school hip-hop references: my first impression of the early previews of this song was that it was kind of annoying with the shortness of the "WE ARE BRAND NEW MORNING" main groove, but in the back of my mind it actually sounded familiar...then I realized what it reminded me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgsy56NNQ4

And suddenly I'm in love with this song! :lol:

Then I look at the credits and see that this song was composed/arranged by Jean Luc Ponpon, who I decided to look up, and learned that it's a production team led by none other than Daniel Merlot, better known to H!P fans as "Crash Berlin", the DJ/producer of Hangry & Angry F! This definitely explains why this song sounds the way it does, and why I ultimately love it!

But on that note, it's kinda funny...sometimes I come across comments from other fans saying they want Morning Musume to "get a new sound to their music already", and in a way I agree with that statement, except not in the way they probably have in mind. Because honestly, this song and the sound Merlot's team does bring here is what I personally feel is the step in the right direction...well almost. This isn't the first time I've brought this up: I think H!P, and idol music in general, kinda suffers a bit from too much of the same 130+bpm euro/disco/house four-on-the-floor droning monorhythmic drum beat. Like, even if the instrumentals provide some interesting melodies and chords, the samey-same old lazy beat kinda holds a lot of songs back from reaching their full potential. Yes, I know, it's part of the culture, wotas expect it because it fits their chants and pacing, yada yada yada, whatever...I'm still a hip-hop head, beats and rhythmic flow are my life, I'm gonna critique this.

But right off the bat "Brand New Morning" differentiates itself from that with a more flowy, syncopated drum pattern and synth guitar groove...THEN DIFFERENTIATES AGAIN with that refreshing half-tempo beat when the first half of the verses kick in! But then it regresses back to the monorhythm, back to the same old H!P melodic sound, at the chorus of the song, and it kinda suffers for that. But it's not a complete suffering, because that part still sounds good, providing a nice melodic break and some power vocals to contrast with the aggressive attitude and groove of the main beat.

Overall I do love how this song hits us with a brand new groove, transforms itself, transforms back, transforms into something old and played, then transforms back again to remind us that this is indeed a brand new morning. If Momusu music is being kpop-ified or westernized then so be it: This rhythmic shakeup is what H!P music needs.

Also I love how everyone's interpreting the lyrics to be "political" and passive-aggresively referencing the current state of the world...I mean, yeah, they very well could be. Just another reason this song is so great and interesting.

JEALOUSY JEALOUSY
I saw the credits for this song before the previews came out and read that this is to be another Tsunku/Okubo production, but with "rap arrangement by UMEDY", and suddenly I was intrigued! Again, I've been clamoring for better rhythmic beats...but alas, it was not to be, as this song is another synth-disco monorhythmic thing. Same old, same old...but hey, it turns out to be a pretty good song anyway, so whatever! :P The string intro reminds me of video game music somehow, and I love the brass hits, subtle EDM touches, and overall fun dance feeling. But the real game changer is the rap verse, especially the first one, bringing a whole new rhythmic vocal dynamic we often don't see much (or enough of) in H!P. And holy crap hearing Miki with that "Rapper's Delight" lyric was a great touch! In that sense, perhaps the monorhythm makes sense considering the original "Rapper's Delight" is essentially a disco song. (this actually isn't the first time UMEDY sneaked in a classic hip-hop lyric into a Momusu song: 2011's "Silver no Udedokei" had a Slick Rick line capping off its rap verses)

The second rap verse is kinda silly/corny, but hey, it adds to the fun of the song, just like the sudden deep voice before the final chorus. :lol: So yeah, even if "rap arrangement" didn't quite completely give me what I wanted, the general execution still got me bopping my shoulders and putting a smile on my face.


I love both of these songs for different reasons, and at the same time kinda disappointed at them for the same reason. Duality is the name of the game here, another interest of mine at the philosophical and aesthetic level. But for real, can we please get Jean Luc Ponpon and UMEDY more involved in H!P music production from here on out??? Tell Hyadain's Rickrolling ass to go work with some other idol company for a while.


The music videos
The rigid dance formations and military style outfits/setting feel like a stark contrast from the message of the lyrics in "Brand New Morning", but I do like the color balance of its video. Mostly red, gold, and black (OMG 49ERS COLORS JUST LIKE 13TH GEN) with the lights providing some nice blue for balance. In a way it's standard Momusu/H!P, not impressive but not completely terrible, just same as usual. I do love how it starts off with the new girls front and center with Mizuki leading the charge with some flag waving, so even if it is business as usual, those things along with the music add hype to this new era's beginning. I really dig how Kaede's hair is styled in this one.

"Jealousy" has the more interesting music video, though. I love the black-vs-white division going on to drive in the theme of jealousy/envy (and again, duality), and the dance set does a great job making a square-ridden aesthetic look not-boring via dynamic placement and sizes of the blocks in the background. But I need to talk about the outfits here: it's funny seeing people complain about "yet another all-white snorefest" then suddenly HERE COME THE COLORFUL HIP-HOP THREADS! Well, garishness of some of the colors aside, I'm in love with this! Best single outfits since "3-2-1 Breakin' Out", the loose/sporty hip-hop styling is so much fun and great looking, and everyone is individualized while still maintaining a consistent theme. This is the kind of fashion I like, y'all can keep your boring button shirts and leather shoes. 8)

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38276.jpg)

tl;dr: THIS SINGLE ACTUALLY STILL MAKES ME SAD BECAUSE MAACHAN COULDN'T BE PART OF THESE AWESOME SONGS :cry:
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: JFC on February 28, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
AramaJapan.com - Morning Musume ’17 release “BRAND NEW MORNING / Jealousy Jealousy” PVs (http://aramajapan.com/news/music/musicvideo/morning-musume-17-release-brand-new-morning-jealousy-jealousy-pvs/71984/)
- http://aramajapan.com/news/music/musicvideo/morning-musume-17-release-brand-new-morning-jealousy-jealousy-pvs/71984/
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: oaxiac on March 04, 2017, 06:47:58 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5dvw8r_count-down-tv-%E3%82%B2%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96-%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E5%A8%98-17-2017-3-5_fun
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on March 04, 2017, 07:52:17 PM
^ Those dresses with two sides are TOO COOL with this choreography!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWXzDPtAlRY
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: CrypticShadow8 on March 05, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
Heard Jealousy Jealousy playing in a restaurant today (Torikizoku) so that was exciting!
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: Sacul097 on March 05, 2017, 10:47:52 PM
Why on earth did they not wear these dresses in the MV?! They're amazing and like shirenu said, they work so perfectly with the choreography
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: oaxiac on March 07, 2017, 06:17:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOo_0KI8rVs
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: JFC on March 08, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
TokyoGirlsUpdate.com - Morning Musume.’17 Serve Up a Second Helping of Morning Miso Soup in Campfire MV (https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-morning-miso-soup-campfire-201703120195.html)
- https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/morning-musume-17-morning-miso-soup-campfire-201703120195.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suLNZ1i6CnY



And the original version for anyone who forgot/didn't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51FbTQ1DUWM
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: muppet on March 08, 2017, 04:16:42 AM
Becky has always been a great supporter of various
pop groups and idols over the years...

Reina chan  and Kaede chan get to introduce themselves...

(http://picroda.jphip.com/hp/jphip38289.jpg)


20170307 モーニング娘。'17 『BRAND NEW MORNING』 『ジェラシー ジェラシー』 フルコーラス (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOo_0KI8rVs)
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: shirenuファクトリー on March 08, 2017, 08:27:02 PM
Wow what a treat, both songs performed in full length!!! Awesome and GJ girls!!
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: oaxiac on March 12, 2017, 09:11:16 PM
Subbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA1WUCJYNbE
Title: Re: [3/8] Morning Musume 63rd single [Brand New Morning / Jealousy Jealousy]
Post by: J-Triumf on July 21, 2017, 01:34:07 AM
Google Translate voice cover :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvEE-NOiFuU