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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2012, 06:08:20 PM »
Thanks for the input. I can see where you are coming from, but I don't agree with some of your points.


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1. This is fiction we're talking about.

The world of idols is based on fiction. People like idols because they can support them, they can root for them and they can fantasize about them (hence the dating games, gravure shoots, etc. etc.). 


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2. The fics here are mostly harmless. It's not like we're talking about hardcore BDSM-themes or detailed porn or graphic artworks involving underage girls or anything. In the case of Rukaeru one could debate whether she went too far with the suggestiveness and whether these things should be more regulated in the fanfic section, but banning everything from not-so-innocent kisses to 'perv angel' nicknames is overdoing it in my opinion.

I agree that the cut-of point between "innocent kiss" and "not so innocent kiss" is a grey area. That is why this entire discussion is so difficult. However! As a community website we have legal obligations as well, and from that viewpoint we simply cannot allow our board to be used as a network where people come together to write (and thus fantasize) about the "sensual exploits" of under aged girls. It's as simple as that.


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3. At the moment, jphip is the central place for basically most of fanfics in the 48fandom. If you are keen on enforcing the new rules, all authors who would like to write about the "underage" girls (of which there are plenty in the 48groups) will be forced to move their fics somewhere else. Seeing the popularity of Jurina+wMatsui and new rising girls such as Annin, this will probably affect a lot of fans and effectively scatter the fanbase. This is ultimately counterproductive for everyone who loves fanfics and for the whole fandom.

I'm happy our website has become a popular place to share and discuss fanfics. I truly am, and thank you all for that.
Secondly, these rules are not new. In fact, they are the first rules we have ever written. However, we did fail to gave the fanfic area sufficient attention due to its rapid increase in activity.

Of course it would be a shame to scatter the community and we don't want that. Nobody wants that. What I do not understand is the massive need to write about Jurina and the other young girls involving questionable situations like that. I know she is popular, but why always go for that angle? Counterproductive for the fandom? Maybe so, but I feel we do need to set a 'moral boundary' to avoid things getting out of hand.
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2012, 07:36:40 PM »
My question here is purely out of curiosity. I'm personally not a huge wMatsui shipper, and this ruling affects me in absolutely no way.

Does the age being 18 have to do with the physical location where the forums are hosted? The physical age of consent is different depending on the country, and in the US and similar countries, even depending on the state. For example, the US state of Minnesota, where I live, lists the age of consent to be 16 and has a "close-in-age" exception, where the US as a whole generally talks about the age as being 18. Japan, the country in which our fandom's interests are located, has their general age of consent as 13, although prefectures may be able to raise this (I haven't found a list of such prefectures). Interestingly, there are countries who have the age as low as 12 (Panama, for example), and countries with the age as high as 21 (Cameroon, for example)! So it is obviously not the case either that 18 is specified as the "catch-all".

I feel as if answering this question could put to rest the "but what if..." arguments, and it would satisfy my curiosity about the legal system as far as international topics are concerned. ;) The internet is always difficult in legal issues, since it is an international collection of people.
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2012, 08:11:33 PM »
Generally on the Internet, anything below 18 is illegal and that's the guidance we follow. The age of consent may be 13 in some places in Japan, but do you see porn pictures of 13-year-olds posted openly on the Internet? No. Why? Because it's pedophilia, child pornography, immoral. No "but, but, in my country..." It's 18+, take it or leave it!
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2012, 08:17:32 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up to all of us.

By the way, shirenu-san...

I wanted to say it for a long time, but I love your signature!!  :inlove:

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Back to the topic...

So, I still wonder... If my character is abducted, and that character is less than eighteen... I can't write about how that person was abused (if it has sexual content), right? But I hope I can mention it?..

I mean, it happens in movies and stuff, child abuse, and stuff...

And of course, I'll change the character, if it's prohibited, though it might loose all the sense, as the story I write is an ongoing one, and I already made some mentioning about her being stalked...
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2012, 08:22:51 PM »
....I WILL NOT HAVE RAPE OF UNDERAGED IDOLS ON MY FORUM IN ANY FORM OH MY GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.


Sorry, that was my honest first reaction. :P

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2012, 08:31:15 PM »
It's not rape, DEAR GOD NO!!!  :shocked :shocked

How could you think that.... Is my English THAT BAD....?....

It's an abduction in a way, that for example a person X wants to keep a person Y to herself only, as a pet, but not in THAT way... What I meant, some things like:

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She looked up and down her body, and dirty thought went through her mind. She touched that perfect skin, and kissed on those inviting lips, but then got slapped by *insert name* and backed away. "Do you want to go to jail, *insert a name*?" "No one's going to send me there, as no one will find out, but you. Yet you are my sister, I trust you." "Then don't, as I will definitely send you there, if you dare to do anything like that."

Nothing more, I can assure you. But if this is not okay, then I'll change it to failed attempt or something like that.

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2012, 08:40:06 PM »
YEAH if you love daigong and :hipheart: and don't want me to go to jail, just STICK TO THE RULES PLZ.

we all love to see Acchan fuck Takamina, or Sayaka mount Sae but yaw :P

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2012, 01:57:19 AM »
GODDAMMIT. Y U GUYS ARE SO PERSISTANT.
Why did you not just leave those underage girls doing their innocent and underage stuffs?
Why did you not posted your stories contained underage members doing questionable and not-so innocent stuffs outside jphip? FFn is out from the choice if you want to post a story about AKB and their sis-groups. (The guidelines there said "No RPF")

That's it if you don't want the admins and mods go to jail and get this land of dropping pants banned.
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 03:00:59 AM »
I agree with caghaunt-san.
And why do you have to be persistent in tackling this issue if in the first place the rules are there and it specified this:


Law #9 Any Perv talk/images/video/etc. of underage members are not allowed.
Strictly NO sexual themed images, videos or talk about persons below 18 years of age.
JPH!P will comply with any government requests for information involving investigations of the exploitation of children.
Bottom line: If you need to talk about "lolis" do it somewhere else.


And its already is obvious that sexual themes about them are not allowed since that theme not just complies with media, but also in any standard written form, that being dialogues and fics. I don't need to expand and list the themes because obviously, everyone who writes smut knows the themes. If anyone wants to write about the underage girls, just make a blog or post it in Tumblr. It's not like you'll lose a leg in posting it somewhere else.....there's always a means to resolve another issue without having to break the rules. :)
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 12:35:50 AM »
I usually just read the discussion theads, because I think my english is not Good enough for that. And because I can't express myself well. But this time I wanted to make a comment.

1st: I agree with the rules. Everything that contains explicit sexual themes of underaged human beings is illegal. I think that is ok if there are people who like to fantasize their favorite couple, even if they end up being underage. So if there are rules, you have to follow them, even if you don't like it. That's why I make Caghaunt-san's word mine.

2nd: I have a doubt. What about nude for bathing? Without details, just mentioning. Like taking bath with a friend.

That is it. I hope I made myself clear.
 

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2012, 05:01:56 AM »
2nd: I have a doubt. What about nude for bathing? Without details, just mentioning. Like taking bath with a friend.
That is it. I hope I made myself clear.
I guess you can say she's bathing, but let's just keep the word "nude" outta there.

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 11:53:46 AM »
Euh what if we don't write about them doing it but in the the story the readerd can understand that they do what most of couples do?

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2012, 12:23:19 PM »
^ Maybe. If you use the right phrase when describing it without too much details about what they're doing.

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2012, 02:30:53 AM »
Hmmm I'm a little confused about the new law. I get the part about not writing perv stuff about underage members but exactly what are the limits on perv? I know the difference between super perv like smut stuff but what about minor stuff like pecks on the cheek or hugs? I'm sorry it's just I'm a Wmatsui shipper and sometimes my fans demand "hot moments" and I'm not a perv so I do my best to please them and all. But I would like to know the limits so if you could help me out that would be great. I really like writing here so I would hate to be kicked out! >_<

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2012, 05:36:44 AM »
Pecks and hugs are definitely fine. We just don't want the underaged girls being written about in sensual ways. Your stories involving the young girls don't have to be "squeaky, sunshine" clean.

The rule should have come about long ago. I missed the wording on a lot of fics because I was focused on making sure straightforward pervs were in the correct place and making sure pervs of underaged girls weren't being written at all.

I believe SomethingWild's post on the previous page was clear enough, but again, if you would like me to screen a bit of your fic, feel free to PM me.  :)
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2012, 12:07:18 PM »
So, we can write about them doing thing but no in pervy way? Like "It will be a long night for both of them"?

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2012, 06:15:30 PM »
^ I'm glad to answer more questions about examples, but I feel that if I continue doing it here, this thread will turn in to a Q and A on those matters. PMs are fine. General questions and concerns about the new rule can continue  to go in here.


Please don't feel as though you're under scrutiny with this rule. The last thing we want to do is disrupt the creative flow of the writers. Please continue writing, but please know what is and isn't appropriate for the young girls.
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2012, 02:59:12 PM »
I would just like to point out one last thing:

The JPH!P Code of Conduct is the basic rule set which applies to the entire forum, including the fanfic areas.

That is why the "Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction" mostly had additional rules specific for fan fiction. As a result, the rules in this particular thread are not complete which lead to the confusion we've seen these past weeks. In other words, the stuff we talked about regarding minors is not new. It is part of the foundation of this forum.

Anyway, I'm glad everything is settled now. If you have any further questions or you want your examples/stories screened send a PM to mode107.
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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2012, 09:17:33 AM »
May I post nogizaka46 fic here?

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Re: The Golden Laws of JPH!P Fanfiction
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »
^That is OK. We have N46 member threads and release threads so they are part of the family  :)

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