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The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: Masabi on September 30, 2007, 06:08:10 PM
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Other tidbits:
Average time in Morning Musume : 4 years, 7 months, 14 days
Most frequent month for member changes : April (9 members joined or left this month)
Average singles per year : 3
*will add more later probably*
let's discuss tsunku's almost-creepy consistency and share facts in this thread~
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Looks like Risa and Ai are well onto beating the records of longest time in the group.
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Interesting stuff, I was just talking about how long each memebr had served a couple of days ago.
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Looks like Risa and Ai are well onto beating the records of longest time in the group.
one more year, GAMBATTE TAKAGAKI
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i bet that Gaki san will end with more singles than Ai chan XD but to this one you need to add the last 3 singles of Aika... well 3 for Aika and 1 for the chinese girls Jun Jun and Lin Lin.
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no one pass the 25th Single Mark .... both Aichan and Gaki has 22 singles, so 3 more to go ??
Average singles per year : 3
so ..... 1 more year ?? which is around the 7 year mark ??
Hope both Aichan and Gaki can beat the records of longest time in the group.
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Is it a fact that no one passes the 25th single mark? I think Yaguchi would've done it if circumstances were different...
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I know, it really doesn't feel its time for them to leave yet.
I mean with yossi you could kinda see/feel it and the same with others(cept for miki and yaguchi) but it doesn't feel there yet...who knows
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I dunno, in way I can see of them going next simply because they seem more likely than any other of the current members. Hell, if the Love Machine curse strikes again then it'll be Eri right? As much as I love Eri that'll be good news to me as it means Reina will be last!
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Is it a fact that no one passes the 25th single mark? I think Yaguchi would've done it if circumstances were different...
but i don´t think she could stay for too much time, i mean Kaori graduated at 7 year, also Yossie so maybe a couple of singles more and then the graduation... and we can forget about that curse thing, Kamei will not graduate before Gaki san, no way.
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Nah, Gakikamei pairing is on the cards, the stars have told me :D
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I personally think that the most anyone will stay in momusu is no longer than 7 years and 25 singles.
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^ Well, both Takahashi and Gaki-san don't seem like they're going to be leaving any time soon. Naturally, this might change in the coming year, but as of right now, I believe they'll be around for at least another year.
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No matter how much time they stay, ENJOY IT!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have seen death in the face, and I can tell you that none of us knows if we'll be around this time tomorrow, so I personally will worry about one of the girls leaving when it's announced. In the meantime, I enjoy every day they are in the group.
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Gakisan will probably stay for 10 years :P
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hah I know how you feel Reyfer. Each day I come on here, I hope that I dont see a topic with the tittle "New MM Member Graduates".
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No matter how much time they stay, ENJOY IT!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
DEF. i will enjoy, i know that Takahashi more than probably will be the next to leave so the hell i love every moment but that doesn´t mean i can´t wish for something like Takahashi in MM for 3 or more years XD
BTW i almost freak out when i read about the Gaki annoucement... thankfully it was´t something too serious.
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^ Yeah but takahashi was the one who said "I WANT MORNING MUSUME TO GO ON FOREVERRRR!" so I figure she won't be leaving for awhile.
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No one else will probably care about this, but I find it interesting: not counting JunJun and Linlin, out of the current line-up Aika is the only member who has had a solo line in each of the singles released since she joined. The only other members in MoMusu's history to do this were Asuka Fukuda (4 singles) and Maki Goto (9 singles). Though, of course, Aika hasn't graduated yet and she may not get a solo in the new single, but whatever =b
Here's how everyone measured up:
Yuko Nakazawa - 11 singles, 6 with solo lines
Aya Ishiguro - 7 singles, 3 with solo lines
Kaori Iida - 25 singles, 16 with solo lines
Natsumi Abe - 21 singles, 18 with solo lines
Asuka Fukuda - 4 singles, 4 with solo lines
Sayaka Ichii - 8 singles, 2 with solo lines
Mari Yaguchi - 25 singles, 18 with solo lines
Kei Yasuda - 17 singles, 9 with solo lines
Maki Goto - 9 singles, 9 with solo lines
Rika Ishikawa - 18 singles, 15 with solo lines
Hitomi Yoshizawa - 25 singles, 20 with solo lines
Nozomi Tsuji - 15 singles, 7 with solo lines
Ai Kago - 15 singles, 10 with solo lines
Ai Takahashi - 22 singles, 19 with solo lines
Asami Konno - 18 singles, 9 with solo lines
Makoto Ogawa - 18 singles, 10 with solo lines
Risa Niigaki - 22 singles, 17 with solo lines
Miki Fujimoto - 15 singles, 14 with solo lines
Eri Kamei - 16 singles, 11 with solo lines
Sayumi Michishige - 16 singles, 7 with solo lines
Reina Tanaka - 16 singles, 14 with solo lines
Koharu Kusumi - 8 singles, 7 with solo lines
Aika Mitsui - 3 singles, 3 with solo lines
JunJun - 1 single, 1 with solo lines
LinLin - 1 single, 1 with solo lines
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^ Yeah but takahashi was the one who said "I WANT MORNING MUSUME TO GO ON FOREVERRRR!" so I figure she won't be leaving for awhile.
Didn't Kei also say the same thing?
No one else will probably care about this, but I find it interesting: not counting JunJun and Linlin, out of the current line-up Aika is the only member who has had a solo line in each of the singles released since she joined. The only other members in MoMusu's history to do this were Asuka Fukuda (4 singles) and Maki Goto (9 singles).
Between "Furusato", "Go Girl!" , and "Kanashimi Twilight" I'm not surprised. These three singles alone cover all the members gens 1-7 except the ones you mentioned.
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So yossui had the most? I'm not sure if she actually had the most depending on the ratio singles : solos.
I don't remember if Kei said the same thing, XD
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If you want to work by ratio, Takahashi has the most with 86%, then Nacchi with 85%, then Yossui with 80%.
And yeah, I think Kei said that on Utaban. Don't ask me the episode because I'm lazy.
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You people sure frighten me....all these details and numbers and even counting individual lines in songs....and then some make fun of the wotas for being obsessive....anyway, thanks for the data. :w00t: :lol: :lol:
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More facts.
The average age of the current members is 17.33 years (as of 2007/10/01). They were on average 14.00 years old when they joined. The average age of new members overall is 14.80. We all know Tsunku likes 'm young and the figures confirm that. 12 and 13 years are the must popular ages for new members with 5 each.
The average age of graduating members is 19.88. But 22 years old is the most popular graduation age with 5 occurences (Abe, Yasuda, Yaguchi, Yoshizawa, Fujimoto).
Longest time in Morning Musume (in days):
| member | days |
| Iida Kaori | 2645 |
| Yuguchi Mari | 2590 |
| Yoshizawa Hitomi | 2576 |
| Abe Natsumi | 2274 |
| Takahashi Ai | 2227 |
| Niigaki Risa | 2227 |
| Yasuda Kei | 1880 |
| Ishikawa Rika | 1847 |
(the list goes on but I'm too lazy to type all the bulletin board code)
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Aika is the only member who has had a solo line in each of the singles released since she joined.
I care! XD
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Okay, something doesn't add up here. The first post that Masabi put up has a chart that shows that Yossi has had the second longest tenure in MM.
According to it, Yossi = 7 years, 20 days and Mari = 6 years, 11 months, 24 days.
http://i24.tinypic.com/5dwkko.png (http://i24.tinypic.com/5dwkko.png)
However, in this chart that tiny just posted, check out what I've highlighted in red:
Longest time in Morning Musume (in days):
| Yuguchi Mari | 2590 |
| Yoshizawa Hitomi | 2576 |
| Abe Natsumi | 2274 |
| Takahashi Ai | 2227 |
| Niigaki Risa | 2227 |
| Yasuda Kei | 1880 |
| Ishikawa Rika | 1847 |
According to this chart, Mari had been in MM for 2 about weeks longer than Yossi.
So like yeah, which one has the accurate stats? Personally I'm leaning more towards Masabi's because it include the 6th, 7th, and 8th Gens (sorry tiny). Maybe someone just did the math incorrectly?
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Aika is the only member who has had a solo line in each of the singles released since she joined.
Mari Yaguchi - 25 singles, 18 with solo lines
Kei Yasuda - 17 singles, 9 with solo lines
Maki Goto - 9 singles, 9 with solo lines
Rika Ishikawa - 18 singles, 15 with solo lines
Hitomi Yoshizawa - 25 singles, 20 with solo lines
Didn't you wrote it yourself? XD
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DAMM hate maths... well don´t "hate" them but i always meess up with the damm maths... honest this facts are a bit too much but hey, i only read them so i can only say thanks to the dudes who take the work of made them XD
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So like yeah, which one has the accurate stats? Personally I'm leaning more towards Masabi's because it include the 6th, 7th, and 8th Gens (sorry tiny). Maybe someone just did the math incorrectly?
Lemme check..
Yaguchi Mari:
Joined MoMusu: 20th April 1998
Left MoMusu: 14th April 2005
Total Time in MoMusu: 6 years, 11 months & 24 days
Yoshizawa Hitomi:
Joined MoMusu: 16th April 2000
Left MoMusu: 6th May 2007
Total Time in MoMusu: 7 years & 20 days
These are the informations I based the chart on.
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Ah, I based my calculations on the join date of Mari being 1998-03-12 (from Wiki.ThePPN). The Japanese Wikipedia and the official H!P site say 1998-05-03 (the ASAYAN broadcast date). 1998-03-12 appears to be day that Tsunku announced there will be 3 new members.
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Seems that my source (http://morningmusume.co.uk) seems to be incorrect as well then. Though it only changes her stay to 6 years, 11 months, 17 days
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There is an official Morning Musume biography at the official H!P site. It list all the important events in the history of Momusu by date. See http://www.helloproject.com/biographyindex.html
The Japanese Wikipedia entry on Morning Musume is also quite extensive. See here (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%e3%83%a2%e3%83%bc%e3%83%8b%e3%83%b3%e3%82%b0%e5%a8%98%e3%80%82#.E6.8E.A8.E7.A7.BB.E5.B9.B4.E8.A1.A8) for a table with membership changes.
I should check both of these to see if all my dates are correct. XD
If we want to discuss statistics we better base them on the same facts. :)
Both sources are in Japanese of course.
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Ah, I based my calculations on the join date of Mari being 1998-03-12 (from Wiki.ThePPN).
That date was when Tsunku told them he was gonna add more members. That was before they'd even held the auditions I think. 2nd gen met MM for the 1st time on 20th April (but not broadcast until 3rd may). (I wrote a lot of that part of the wiki page with all the dates, lol). A lot of people go by the Asayan broadcast dates but I think the dates they actually happened are more important.
I dunno what date you'd use for the 1st gen. 970820 - given the 50,000 cd challenge to win a record deal, 970908 - Tsunku names the group Morning Musume, 971130 - they succeed in the 50,000 cd challenge and get a record deal.
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^ as for the last case, I'd probably go with them succeeding
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just got finished watching some asayans
their first single COULD'VE been [they had to choose]:
- Dounika Shite Doyoubi - Nakazawa wanted this one. the dance looked awkward and tsunku laughed his ass off at it, couldn't stop laughing
- Usotsuki Anta - laughed his ass off at this dance too
- Morning Coffee - Iida, Abe, and Ishiguro wanted this - originally had a pretty complicated dance, and a different background track (a little different)
Fukuda seemed torn between Dounika and Usotsuki
I like all these songs so I didn't care, but what would other people think if one of these were their first single??
[actually.. I would've preferred usotsuki anta]
I think the songs didn't get chosen just because of their dance, which is disappointing T___T
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Aika is the only member who has had a solo line in each of the singles released since she joined.
Mari Yaguchi - 25 singles, 18 with solo lines
Kei Yasuda - 17 singles, 9 with solo lines
Maki Goto - 9 singles, 9 with solo lines
Rika Ishikawa - 18 singles, 15 with solo lines
Hitomi Yoshizawa - 25 singles, 20 with solo lines
Didn't you wrote it yourself? XD
I said out of the current line-up, haha.
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If you want to work by ratio, Takahashi has the most with 86%, then Nacchi with 85%, then Yossui with 80%.
And yeah, I think Kei said that on Utaban. Don't ask me the episode because I'm lazy.
Interestingly, in current members (and a recently graduated one) according to the chart:
Miki had solos in 93% of her singles.
Reina and Koharu have had solos in 87.5% of theirs.
Combine this with Aika's, Junjun/Linlin's, and Aichan's, and I wonder if recently they've been distributing lines more evenly? :lol: I guess Maki took everything up back when. Also, it illustrates how they're leaving Shige out to dry (which is probably a good thing...).
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^ They have been, I've been noticing it. Seems like Tsunku wants to be more fair, except to shige, which is understandable
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Another factor to keep in mind is how many solo lines a member gets. Just getting one is something but in some members cases it seems that they pretty much dominate the whole song. Which is a poor move since they neglect all the other fanbases. Ok its not effected me to bad but i know some who now wont buy the Morning Musume cd if certain members don't get any lines or the worse of the two scenarios they wont buy the new if certain members get what they deem to be an unfair proportion of the lines.
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^ Yeah but they're more interested in serving the wota who will buy 2 and 3 copies if their favorite members continue to get lines
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Ok its not effected me to bad but i know some who now wont buy the Morning Musume cd if certain members don't get any lines or the worse of the two scenarios they wont buy the new if certain members get what they deem to be an unfair proportion of the lines.
Yup.
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Don't forget that some members actually can sing better than others. Tsunku has to consider the limitations of every member, certainly in regard to live performances. I doubt that the (perceived) popularity of each of the members is the guiding principle for solo line distribution. Tsunku may be a raving lunatic, but he's too much a professional to let the quality of his work suffer because someone wants certain members to be pushed to the front. If a song sounds bad it will not sell at all. It may seem that the die hard fans obediently buy every single offered to them. But those fans know they get a quality product. It's that trust that must not be betrayed by solo line distribution politics. It is Tsunku who decides who sings what, not the Up-Front sales manager.
For fans of a certain member there are the PBs to buy. The distribution of PB releases over the members is no doubt subject to demand. The distribution of solo lines isn't IMHO.
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^ You might be right, but in the case of Koharu, the 7ki ace, Tsunku gave her so many lines even though she makes the songs sound bad. He tries to push her forward all the time, simply because he said she's an ace. :lol:
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Don't forget that some members actually can sing better than others. Tsunku has to consider the limitations of every member, certainly in regard to live performances. I doubt that the (perceived) popularity of each of the members is the guiding principle for solo line distribution.IMHO.
There's more to it than singing talent. Different songs require different sounds, and whoever can fill that sound the best is usually going to be the main vocals or get the most solo lines. If they were actually concerned with singing talent, then the vast majority of girls brought into Hello Project wouldn't be there. Just the same, a lot of the extremely talented girls who have left Hello Project might have actually stayed if they were given the time of day they deserved.
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^ Yeah, I donno why Ayaka is still there XD
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Fact:
Sayaka is Maki's mentor and Maki is Aibon's mentor. All three are no longer in H!P
Kaori is Nono's mentor. Both got pregnant XD
The statement : like mentor like student is true XD
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^ True XD
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Fact:
Sayaka is Maki's mentor and Maki is Aibon's mentor. All three are no longer in H!P
Kaori is Nono's mentor. Both got pregnant XD
The statement : like mentor like student is true XD
Does that mean Yossy's going to get Friday'd like Yaguchi? :O
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Does that mean Yossy's going to get Friday'd like Yaguchi? :O
actually there are rumors that UFA graduate Yossie from MM is because of a "guy problem" (that's only a rumor I heard somewhere ... I'm kinda sure it's false .... I think.....)
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HAH! NYARRR!
I stand by the (non)fact that they made Yossie graduate from MoMusu coz she and Miki have a thing going on...and it aint allowed!
right, Almond? XD
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well, we better get back to topic....
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Does that mean Yossy's going to get Friday'd like Yaguchi? :O
actually there are rumors that UFA graduate Yossie from MM is because of a "guy problem" (that's only a rumor I heard somewhere ... I'm kinda sure it's false .... I think.....)
well technically looking at the other statistics it was just "time" to graduate her because she was in for so long.
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This was posted on 2ch:
Morning Musume single sales in Taiwan
438,700 Happy Summer Wedding
395,200 I WISH
391,800 Renai Revolution 21
349,200 The Peace!
312,400 Mr. Moonlight ~Ai no Big Band~
243,800 Souda! We're ALIVE
211,600 Do it! Now
223,200 Koko ni Iruzee!
227,600 Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyoutanjima
225,800 AS FOR ONE DAY
155,800 Shabondama
143,500 Go Girl ~Koi no Victory~
136,500 Ai Araba IT'S ALL RIGHT
132,300 Roman ~MY DEAR BOY~
137,300 Joshi Kashimashi Monogatari
132,000 Namida ga Tomaranai Houkago
116,600 THE Manpower!!!
110,100 Osaka Koi no Uta
*97,300 Iroppoi Jirettai
*86,600 Chokkan 2 ~Nogashita Sakana wa Ookiizo!~
*92,500 SEXY BOY ~Soyokaze ni Yorisotte~
*91,700 Ambitious! Yashinteki de Ii Jan
*85,900 Aruiteru
*78,700 Egao YES Nude
*84,200 Kanashimi Twilight
*85,800 Onna ni Sachi Are
(Investigated by Nikkei Entertainment)
These sales are quite high if you consider Japan's population is five times as large as Taiwan's.
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^ And the wota population is like 10:1
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Wow cant believe Happy Summer Wedding sold so much
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Does that mean Yossy's going to get Friday'd like Yaguchi? :O
actually there are rumors that UFA graduate Yossie from MM is because of a "guy problem" (that's only a rumor I heard somewhere ... I'm kinda sure it's false .... I think.....)
well technically looking at the other statistics it was just "time" to graduate her because she was in for so long.
..and i agree.
she was in it for so long and it was just time to pass the torch