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Title: mornign musume in time magazine in usa!!!
Post by: kelseyhale on December 11, 2007, 04:26:05 AM
it was talking about chinese in japan

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1691615-4,00.html

but i'm lucky to dins the menton of morning musume:


Is that too gloomy a conclusion? Maybe. Younger Japanese have lived just as long with an economically powerful China as an impoverished one. Catering to this crowd, Morning Musume, a Japanese version of the Spice Girls, added two new singers to its nine-woman line-up this year. Both are Chinese. The move was no doubt geared toward attracting a Chinese audience, but the group's producer is equally keen on maintaining a Japanese fan base. "I had older relatives who told me not to come to Japan because of what it did to China during the war," says Li Chun, 19, one of Morning Musume's Chinese additions. "But I told them, music is universal. It doesn't matter where I sing: China or Japan or outer space."

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Post by: aimaime on December 11, 2007, 05:38:15 AM
A Japanese version of Spice Girls?! Noooooo :O
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Post by: frblckstr1 on December 11, 2007, 05:50:56 AM
The thing is, there is nothing in 'the west' you can compare MM (or AKB48) with.
About the only really big successfull girls group is the Spice Girls.

There is no 'Idol group' industry in the west (snif).
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Post by: shadowstar on December 11, 2007, 08:54:58 AM
I agree with frblckstr, comparing Momusu to the Spice Girls isn't even possible (you can't compare a Japanese idol to a Western artist/group, for one, in the West they're actually allowed to date), although I can understand that's probably the only way they can give the reader who aren't aware of Momusu's existence an idea of their popularity, etc.
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Post by: ferrar1 on December 11, 2007, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: JunJun
"But I told them, music is universal. It doesn't matter where I sing: China or Japan or outer space."

Atta Girl!!  O0

Shows how matured she is. But the Japanese version of spice girls was so wrong  :tama-mad:
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Post by: Kamesan on December 11, 2007, 11:02:31 AM
Yeah, but as was previously stated, not much else to compare them to. Props to MM for being mentioned and Junjun for the quote.
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Post by: modesta107 on December 11, 2007, 11:02:45 AM
wtf, the Spice girls? lol
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Post by: prettylovely1 on December 11, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
I agree with frblckstr, comparing Momusu to the Spice Girls isn't even possible (you can't compare a Japanese idol to a Western artist/group, for one, in the West they're actually allowed to date), although I can understand that's probably the only way they can give the reader who aren't aware of Momusu's existence an idea of their popularity, etc.

and i agree with both of you. There is nothing like Momusu anywhere i remember have little trading card type things & little books about the pice girls when i was younger & no other singer has that these days( not in the U.S. anyway) but the are one of the most famous girls groups in history so to compare their fame to SG is the closest they could thing of. But still, maybe this could be a good thing. maybe people will hear of the nine member girl group & find in cool, Go find out more, then MM will get really popular here & the would have no choice but to seel their CDs & DVDs in music stores & Then UFA will bring them here to do a concert!

*POSITIVE THINK WITH ME!* :w00t: LOL
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Post by: anammm on December 11, 2007, 02:54:04 PM
Abt the japanese ver. of spice girls, is just stupid people who don't research before publishing, yeah there are jornalists like this.
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Post by: Saburo on December 11, 2007, 03:17:38 PM
Great stuff, thanks for the link!

Being as the theme is China-Japan relations, I can't believe there's no mention of Irie Saaya...
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Post by: LaJon on December 11, 2007, 03:50:06 PM
It was weird the way he said that they were the japanese spice girls, like they ARE the Spice Girls, but just japanese.
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Post by: Happosai on December 11, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
Being as the theme is China-Japan relations, I can't believe there's no mention of Irie Saaya...

OH, YOU!  :rofl:
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Post by: JFC on December 11, 2007, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Junjun
"I had older relatives who told me not to come to Japan because of what it did to China during the war," says Li Chun, 19, one of Morning Musume's Chinese additions. "But I told them, music is universal. It doesn't matter where I sing: China or Japan or outer space."
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! You tell 'em Junjun! :rockon:

:wriggly:
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Post by: redux on December 11, 2007, 11:11:43 PM
lol @ spicegirls
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Post by: Grisours on December 12, 2007, 12:16:01 AM
well, we are fans so relating spice girls to morning musume looks weird... but the magazine's just giving an example to the ones that don't know them, obviously... besides, if I remember correctly, spice girls did have some kind of audition, and they are both pop girl-groups... if you look at it this way...  :roll:
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Post by: Masabi on December 12, 2007, 01:07:29 AM
calling morning musume the japanese spice girls is like calling ayumi hamasaki the japanese britney spears

it's just wrong
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Post by: polidread on December 12, 2007, 01:34:03 AM
uh, maybe more like the Japanese girls version of Menudo?
where the roster is always changing after a few years...
but then maybe not everybody's familiar with Menudo either  O0
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Post by: modesta107 on December 12, 2007, 01:42:12 AM
^ lol, I am, but wasn't it that once a member hit 20, they had to leave, making way for a new member?
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Post by: ~Dan~ on December 12, 2007, 02:31:47 AM
I agree with frblckstr, comparing Momusu to the Spice Girls isn't even possible (you can't compare a Japanese idol to a Western artist/group, for one, in the West they're actually allowed to date), although I can understand that's probably the only way they can give the reader who aren't aware of Momusu's existence an idea of their popularity, etc.

Yeah, the comparison can only be because they're a girl group and they're popular.
In the same way, a few years ago (before Britney went mad) I saw Ayu described as "the Japanese Britney Spears" which was just as ridiculous and can only have been a comparison of their popularity, because beyond that they're not similar in any way.
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Post by: polidread on December 12, 2007, 02:36:32 AM
^ lol, I am, but wasn't it that once a member hit 20, they had to leave, making way for a new member?

Yup yup!  :grin:
and Ricky Martin came from that group...  O0
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Post by: ~Dan~ on December 12, 2007, 03:02:19 AM
and Ricky Martin came from that group...  O0

And Tsunku ripped off Ricky Martin's "Livin' La Vida Loca" for Ayaya's "The Bigaku", so there's another H!P connection! :lol:
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Post by: kelseyhale on December 12, 2007, 07:54:36 PM
we should ign a petetion to ufa to bring morning musume to the us i am sick of tunku syaig he want to conquer all of aia b4 the usa puffy amiyumi and utada did it without conqerin
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Post by: reyfer on December 12, 2007, 08:21:40 PM
we should ign a petetion to ufa to bring morning musume to the us i am sick of tunku syaig he want to conquer all of aia b4 the usa puffy amiyumi and utada did it without conqerin
Sorry. Puffy had the theme for a cartoon (Teen Titans) and their own cartoon. Utada sold less in the States that her worst record in Japan, and you call that a success? On the part of Puffy, maybe, but Utada? A success in the states? She was raised in the States, she recorded an album there, that album sold approximately 1,074,000 copies in Japan...but only 30,000 in USA. Is that successful? And Puffy and Utada are something the west can relate to...but Idol groups like MM? There's nothing like it in the west, so before spending LOTS of money on something that MOST PROBABLY won't work YET, Tsunku is spending that money on places he KNOWS will work well (Taiwan, China and Korea). From a business side of the equation, he's doing what he has to do.
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Post by: ChiruChaCha on December 12, 2007, 08:53:16 PM
Actually it's probably not even Tsunku doing it, not just him at least.

About the comparison, yeah they should have just said "Japanese all-girl pop group" or something like that but it's not that much of a deal. And yeah, even if it sounded cheesy, go Junjun!
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Post by: Tuffty on December 12, 2007, 11:19:25 PM
I agree with frblckstr, comparing Momusu to the Spice Girls isn't even possible (you can't compare a Japanese idol to a Western artist/group, for one, in the West they're actually allowed to date), although I can understand that's probably the only way they can give the reader who aren't aware of Momusu's existence an idea of their popularity, etc.

QFT. This is why when, for example, Utada Hikaru was trying to break America she was referred to as the 'Japanese Britney Spears' (ew) or the 'Japanese Madonna'. They don't necessarily compare them musically (if they do, and it's with Hikki, then it's just wrong), just in terms of popularity so you can get some perspective on them and their level of success.

And what a quote from JunJun :rockon: 
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Post by: riyo on December 13, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: JunJun
"But I told them, music is universal. It doesn't matter where I sing: China or Japan or outer space."

Atta Girl!!  O0

Shows how matured she is. But the Japanese version of spice girls was so wrong  :tama-mad:

i <3 junjun for that.

well, we are fans so relating spice girls to morning musume looks weird... but the magazine's just giving an example to the ones that don't know them, obviously... besides, if I remember correctly, spice girls did have some kind of audition, and they are both pop girl-groups... if you look at it this way...  :roll:

any comparison like that i think is just based on popularity and the fact that it's a girl group; as well as to give the idea for people who don't know them. its nothing that incredibly intense :P
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Post by: Guchi_Jnr on December 14, 2007, 01:05:35 AM
Love the way some of you guys get on the back foot and all defensive and shit at that comparison..  :rofl:

Let's compare..
Groups made up of only girls... Check, check..
Sing, dance and don't play any music instruments... Check, check..
Marketed towards little kids and pervy men... Check, check..

The comparison sounds about right to me..  :P
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Post by: doinkies on December 14, 2007, 09:39:50 PM
The Spice Girls comparison is kind of doinky, but I guess they're the closest example of a successful girl group in the West, even if they don't have the same structure as Morning Musume. I don't think there are any girl groups in the West with that structure.

Also, JunJun's quote rocks!  :k-great:  :heart:
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Post by: Tom Rocket on December 14, 2007, 11:24:14 PM
Yeah, the Spice Girls comparison is annoying and not very accurate.  The odd thing is that the writer is Toko Sekiguchi, apparently a Time staff reporter living in Tokyo.  Of course the point of the article is that China's educated youth going to Japan to find opportunities and the conflicts, concerns, and changing attitudes they face.  The writer was trying to get across a general idea of what Morning Musume is about to the average reader of Time magazine without getting bogged down in the details.  Who, more than likely, wouldn't know anything about Morning Musume  or anything about the Japanese music scene.

And since we're making comparisons, I'm claiming Ginger Spice as England's Miki Fujimoto. 
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Post by: frblckstr1 on December 15, 2007, 05:38:22 AM
Remember the Spice Girls also did a lot of product advertising, movies etc. besides the singing which compares also to what MM is doing.

Aika for Baby Spice?? :)
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Post by: kelseyhale on December 15, 2007, 06:19:01 AM
you took the baby spice workds right out of my mouth
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Post by: Gblue on December 15, 2007, 01:57:11 PM
And since we're making comparisons, I'm claiming Ginger Spice as England's Miki Fujimoto. 

Miki's not a munter (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munter), though.

edit: added link to definition for "munter".
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Post by: riyo on December 15, 2007, 04:43:48 PM
then i think yossie as sporty spice? haha these are funny comparisons.
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Post by: zoolander on December 16, 2007, 01:34:58 AM
You tell em Junjun! :thumbsup
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Post by: shurastriker on December 16, 2007, 04:18:13 PM
lol i never like spice girls but if you want to compare the groups about success or the only girls singing stuff then is ok... oh and menudo is no longer a group but a name, they keep re-starting the group since nothing only because the name got history.

i guess the bad part of comparing both groups is that SG are "moms" and MM could be their daughters XD lol the age difference is huge.
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Post by: herachan on December 24, 2007, 04:51:39 PM
and Ricky Martin came from that group...  O0

And Tsunku ripped off Ricky Martin's "Livin' La Vida Loca" for Ayaya's "The Bigaku", so there's another H!P connection! :lol:

hahaha now that you've said it! hahaha i cant stop laughing! there is also another song tsunku ripped off, I wish sounds like something else..."yesterday's dream chorus"
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Post by: sukeban deka on January 01, 2008, 07:39:08 AM
She was raised in the States, she recorded an album there, that album sold approximately 1,074,000 copies in Japan...but only 30,000 in USA. Is that successful?
Woah, I didn't know Hikki sold that many. Is it official number?
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Post by: alterna on January 01, 2008, 05:39:35 PM
I'm not surprised JunJun's people told her not to go to Japan because back then, China and Japan were in war. I'm Chinese and my parents still hold a sort of "grudge" against Japan for that.

Yeah, the comparison can only be because they're a girl group and they're popular.
In the same way, a few years ago (before Britney went mad) I saw Ayu described as "the Japanese Britney Spears" which was just as ridiculous and can only have been a comparison of their popularity, because beyond that they're not similar in any way.

Usually, Ayu is rather compared to Madonna and BoA is compared to Britney.
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Post by: chokkan 2 on January 02, 2008, 09:34:31 AM
I'm not surprised JunJun's people told her not to go to Japan because back then, China and Japan were in war. I'm Chinese and my parents still hold a sort of "grudge" against Japan for that.

yeah, my grandparents too , but my parents = :bored: :bored: :bored: :bored: :bored: 


but JunJun IS really brave though ..... especially after so many anti-Japanese .... ummm .... "stuff" happened recently ........... (ok ... not recently, but still kinda "recent" ^_^)



BoA is compared to Britney.

holy shit ....

hope it was from a couple of year ago  :lol: LOL
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Post by: Saikami on January 11, 2008, 11:50:32 AM
Usually, Ayu is rather compared to Madonna and BoA is compared to Britney.

:rofl: I'm sorry, that's just weird. XD
holy shit ....

hope it was from a couple of year ago  :lol: LOL
So true, that'd be scary if BoA shaved her head. :bleed eyes:
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Post by: kelseyhale on January 11, 2008, 03:21:57 PM
WELL! buono beat morning musume to the usa punch there single will be out next month lol lets hope it sells better than hannah montana
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Post by: BigDnm01 on January 19, 2008, 10:57:36 PM
dunno if this been posted here or on any thread in JPH!P forums yet.....
but check  this (http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020729/idol.html) out. 
found it on H!O forums and it was on time magazine as well.  It's Ultimate Idol battle and guess who came out on top...

p.s. sorry if this was posted already...

I'm excited that momusu was mention on time magazine, even just for a lil bit.  I would definitely love to see MoMusu and H!P appeared in magazine articles or even in the news in USA, Canada, wherever in the West.  it thrilled me so...
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Post by: JFC on January 19, 2008, 11:23:27 PM
^ Nice. :lol:
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Post by: chokkan 2 on January 19, 2008, 11:57:11 PM
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In an epic throwdown, the pelvic-thrusting prepubescents of MUSUME send Hrithik back to Bollywood and claim the idol championship

XD XD XD