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Title: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 09, 2008, 10:30:41 PM
As a note, politics can be heated. Remember the forum rules (http://forum.jphip.com/index.php?topic=3014.0) when you post. No personal attacks or baiting.

So, what are peoples predictions for the primaries and the election?

On the Democratic side, I could see either Hillary or Obama winning. I'd be happy either way, although I'm leaning more towards Hillary since she strikes me as being more pragmatic.

The Republican race is very muddy. I'm a social liberal, so I don't like Huckabee much and I don't trust Romney. I'm rooting for McCain since that way I'd be happy whoever won the general election.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on January 09, 2008, 11:04:11 PM
Mike Gravel '08
[youtube=425,350]0rZdAB4V_j8[/youtube]
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: riyo on January 09, 2008, 11:52:08 PM
^haha I saw that on "Best Year Ever"

Anyways,
As far as democrats go, I've heard all over the news that it's neck-and-neck between with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. I think each one gains a little bit a headway every now and then, but it still remains tied overall.
As far as republicans go, I have no idea what's going on.

Honestly, in general, I barely know any candidates (republican or democrat's) stance on anything.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ctz on January 09, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Personally I'm cheering for Obama. I'm afraid that Clinton is too hated to win against republicans, whoever their candidate is going to be.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Sexykago on January 10, 2008, 01:13:00 AM
As someone who wants the Clinton team back in office again, I'm really worried that crying thing is gonna have a really bad effect on her chances to win.

I agree most with Dennis, but he doesn't really stand a chance, so I'm rooting for Hillary.

Obama might be a good president, but I've never seen him in action, I have on the other hand seen Bill Clinton in action. And he made a great president, say what you will about his personal life, but he was a great president. And him and Hillary worked worked as a team.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: SomethingWild on January 10, 2008, 09:10:35 AM
I really thought Bill Clinton was a good president, but I don't like Hillary. To me, she comes across as wanting to write history by being the first woman president. And the little tear thing she did a couple of days ago came across as an act.

I'm rooting for Obama.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on January 10, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
As someone speaking from outside the US, I would like either Hilary or Barack as the next President, slightly more in favour of Barack. He comes across very well whenever I see him and is fairly charismatic. Although his lack of experience might go against him, but even if Hilary was elected as the Democratic candidate I wouldn't mind, she looks like a good leader to have a s well. I personally thought the term 'emotional breakdown' to describe her recent slip up in an interview was a bit strong. It was a tear and a quiver in her voice, she wasn't making a puddle of tears on the ground beneath her or anything.

Still it's quite interesting this. Cynics say it's all fabricated nonsense by politicians to try and convince people to vote, one went so far today as to say that the state of Iowa shouldn't even be allowed to vote for the leader of the world's most powerful nation, as they're a state of inbred hillbillies, or that Barack and Hilary should give up their claim of 'change' because they already have a black, female politician in Condolezza Rice that's currently fucking America up. Bit strong if you ask me. But at this stage, nobody knows who's going to be the frontrunner for each candidate and it makes it an exciting Presidential race for some time.
Title: GOOGLE RON PAUL
Post by: Foxy Brown on January 10, 2008, 01:35:19 PM
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2004/paulrf2.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ctz on January 10, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
So Ron Paul is the candidate of all conspiracy theorists?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 10, 2008, 08:43:48 PM
Pretty much. Plus fringe libertarians.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 15, 2008, 02:00:58 PM
Michigan's primary is today.

Personally, I think Michigan deserves kudos for having the balls to stand up to the national party organizations and schedule their primary early enough that it gets tons of attention and all the (Republican) candidates promising to do stuff for Michigan's economy once elected.

Likewise, this gives me a positive feeling about Hillary. The fact that she was willing to stand up for Michigan against the Democratic apparatus gives me a lot of confidence that she won't just be a mouth-piece for Soros/MoveOn when she's in the Oval Office.

I live close enough to Detroit that I get their radio stations and TV. I think it's pretty clear that Michigan is hurting because its needs have been largely ignored in the drive towards free trade. Meanwhile Iowa has been high on ethanol subsidies for decades. I can certainly understand their point and wanting to get into the pandering action. It also points to the need to reform the current system and possible move towards a national primary day. If there's a national primary day and a majority of the electoral college passes popular vote laws than a lot of the distortions and market failures caused by the current system would go away.

In terms of predictions, I expect Hillary to dominate over Gravel and Kucinich on the Democratic side (which is irrelevant since no delegates are at stake).

I expect McCain to get a narrow victory over Romney for the Republicans, but mostly since Democrats and Independents will be voting in the Republican primary. This will probably result in both sides claiming victory.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: xerony on January 15, 2008, 08:59:20 PM
The Democratic side should win the election. But I can't vote for it lol  XD
I hope Obama will be most popular for this side. America has had only white presidents...
But in some states Hillary seems to be more popular. And she could maybe become the first female president of the states.
I'm curious about the outcome of this election. Which side will win and how does this affect the rest of the world
Will America finally sign the Kyoto protocol? Or what else should be a mayor step for the president to take first? Are they going to quit the war in Iraq?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: chokkan 2 on January 15, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
I don't care who win ... but ......

I hate to say this .....

I'll vote only for Democrats ............

....... Republicans ... Dai Kirai ........
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on January 16, 2008, 12:06:22 AM
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1372/r2701130321ax6.jpg)
It looks like Giuliani has the zombie vote.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 16, 2008, 03:11:53 AM
That picture pretty much sums up Florida in a lot of ways. ;)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on January 28, 2008, 12:49:55 AM
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9320/barrysouthcarolinathumbto0.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Daisuki Daiiyo on January 28, 2008, 02:05:13 AM
As much as I'd love for either Obama or Clinton to be the next president, since I like them both considerably, and will go out and vote for them when the time comes, I get the feeling that if either of them gets the nomination that we aren't gonna win, and we're going to end up with another Republican president.

Let's face it, there are still alot of ignorant people out there who, sadly, will refuse to vote for Hil just because she's a woman, and Obama just because he's black. And then alot of inbetween people that just don't vote at all. Edwards seems like he'd be the only one with a shot at winning. :/
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 29, 2008, 01:42:57 PM
I dunno. Edwards lost once already when he ran with Kerry. I think the number of people that will vote just because it's the first woman/minority candidate will outweigh those that don't vote for that reason.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on January 31, 2008, 08:32:09 AM
And the stick figure nerd joke vote goes to Obama. (http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/28/obama/)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on January 31, 2008, 05:06:24 PM
It's a nicely written opinion though.

Only 5 days till Super Tuesday!

(I'll be voting early once I get home on Saturday, not that New York is going to be competitive anyway.)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: eglue on February 05, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
i'm cheering for obama and huckabee.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: chokkan 2 on February 05, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
Today is Super Tuesday ........... hmmm ..... who should I vote ...... Bar or Hill
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 05, 2008, 06:01:02 PM
Tough choice. They're both good candidates. I won't try to convince you either way. :)

It'll be an interesting night. I really hope things swing one way or the other. I voted for Hillary, but I'd rather see Obama win than have a protracted nomination fight that lasts until April or August. McCain is going to a strong candidate either way, so there's no point giving him too much of a head start.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 05, 2008, 07:24:54 PM
[youtube=425,350]qXZDZNY2RKQ[/youtube].
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 08, 2008, 04:14:02 AM
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6495/mccaindjsj6.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on February 08, 2008, 03:07:05 PM
Way to go McCain!  But I know the Dems are gonna win.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 09, 2008, 08:31:38 PM
Good news for the Illuminati: Ron Paul is out of the race.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 09, 2008, 08:33:48 PM
Well on the plus side, he can channel all the money he raised to keeping his Texas congress seat, so he needn't worry about fundraising for the next decade or so.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on February 11, 2008, 10:04:40 PM
fucking evangelicals are ruining the GOP! 
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 11, 2008, 10:13:57 PM
Yeah, Huckabee is just hanging around to keep media attention till McCain wraps it up now. The Evangelicals are forcing McCain to the right on social issues though, and that could bit him in the ass in the general election.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: riyo on February 12, 2008, 02:07:48 AM
so what's up with McCain? i've heard lots about him being pretty liberal for a republican but also about the whole "U.S. in Iraq for a hundred years if necessary" thing. but overall, i don't know his stances at all.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 12, 2008, 02:22:36 AM
He's socially liberal (somewhat). He's for stemcell research, campaign finance reform, and liberal immigration. He's strongly anti-abortion though.

He's very Conservative on national defense and foreign policy.

Here's his positions if you want to gander for yourself: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 12, 2008, 06:02:40 PM
[youtube=425,350]vTEKLFlJun8[/youtube].
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Reanimation on February 13, 2008, 08:39:33 AM
 Obama, Japan, roots for accidental namesake
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080212/pl_afp/usvoteobamajapan
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 19, 2008, 07:42:52 PM
[youtube=425,350]v5GtBrIENu4[/youtube].
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on February 19, 2008, 11:49:31 PM
Yes We Can!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on February 20, 2008, 05:15:57 AM
http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 21, 2008, 04:32:44 AM
The Democratic primary is turning into the NHL playoffs. It's stretching on far longer than it needs to and everybody's starting to lose interest.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ctz on February 22, 2008, 06:44:47 PM
So is it already clear that whoever wins Texas and Ohio, the actual vote for democrat candidate is made by these "supermen" of the party? And they're probably gonna choose Clinton?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on February 22, 2008, 07:43:54 PM
So is it already clear that whoever wins Texas and Ohio, the actual vote for democrat candidate is made by these "supermen" of the party? And they're probably gonna choose Clinton?

Not really.

The 'pledged delegates' (elected by the states) aren't committed. They're free to vote for whoever they want once they get to the convention. It would be a major problem if they didn't follow the wishes of their districts, but it's possible.

The majority of Superdelegates (Congressmen, governors, former presidents, etc.) are totally uncommitted. Hillary is currently leading in terms of endorsements from superdelegates, but the superdelegates are free to change their mind. Many of them are still uncommitted (enough to tip the balance to either side).

Complicating things further is the fact that delegate allocations aren't particularly sensible. Most districts split their delegates based on the proportion of the popular vote. This means that to get 3 of 4 delegates in a 4 delegate district you'd need 63% of the vote. If Obama got 59% and Hillary got 41%, they'd split the delegates 2 each. In a 2 delegate district Hillary would need 75% of the vote to get both delegates, otherwise they'd split 50-50.

In essence this makes it very hard to get a delegate lead out of most states. Obama has the advantage here since his base (college-educated men, African-Americans) are mostly urban. Urban districts tend to have 6 or 8 delegates each, so he's in a better position to capitalize on his advantages. That sort of thing explains why Obama was able to pull off a bigger delegate advantage out of Idaho than Hillary was from, for example, New York.

So even though Obama has the most pledged delegates, the delegate allocation process isn't very fair. Hillary could easily surge ahead of Obama in terms of the popular vote if she does well in Ohio and Pennslyvania. If that happens, the superdelegates will be in an even tighter jam.

This isn't even touching what should be done about Michigan and Florida, both important swing states. As a NY'er used to having the election decided before my turn to vote arrived, I can sympathize with their point. A credential battle leading to Michigan and Florida's delegations being left outside in the rain would be fatal for either candidate. I have a hard time coming up with an electoral map that shows the Dem's winning without Michigan, unless they pull of a real upset in Virginia or Kentucky.

Anyway, if all of this sounds less than ideal, blame Howard Dean, it's his fault. Even better, write a letter to your Senators and Congressman (if they're Democrats) and tell them how unhappy you are with the process.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Mugen on February 28, 2008, 07:33:45 AM
Obama rocks. I wouldve vote for him if im a US citizen


I got convinced in his presidential debate with hilary, check this out.
[youtube=425,350]o5eKrAmE2Es[/youtube]
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: garbagefan2424 on March 05, 2008, 12:31:28 AM
Wow I for one second that that was his voice lol, I really think both democratic choices are really good candidates, although I favor Obama because he's more of an idealist
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: eglue on March 05, 2008, 03:52:24 AM
haha...man, i've been telling everyone that barack kinda sounds like the rock. i guess there's people out there that agree. haha. "if you smellllalalalalalala what baROCK is cooking!" haha.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JFC on March 05, 2008, 05:11:56 AM
Looks like McCain has secured the Republican nomination.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on March 05, 2008, 06:08:00 AM
While the Democrats looks like it'll go on to Pennsylvania after Hillary's double-digit win in Ohio.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on March 05, 2008, 11:38:01 PM
It doesn't matter if Hillary wins by 20% in Pennsylvania. She still cannot get more votes or more pledged delegates than Obama by the end of it all.

He will have still won more states, delegates, and votes than her. She has almost no path to the nomination outside suing for Michigan and Florida... or relying on the DNC to hand-select her.

Recent polls there show her lead within the margin of error anyways... Hillary at this point has a math problem. And perhaps like Mike Huckabee she will choose to not believe in math. But I don't see the seas parting for Hillary anytime soon.

As Camp Clinton reminded us not even 3 full weeks ago -- states do not nominate the delegates do. But that delegate lead is gone and Hillary now clings to her 'big wins' like a         child to a security blanket.

Questioner, go here http://www.slate.com/features/delegateco...

Put in Hillary winning every state (and not just PA) from this point out at 60-40. She still fails to overtake Obama at the convention. Even in the most optimistic scenario, Hillary cannot beat him out in delegates. She has, perhaps at best, a moral claim to the nomination depending on what happens in PA and a few other states.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on March 05, 2008, 11:40:59 PM
Yeah, it'll be tough. If Florida and Michigan count, then she has the clear lead. If she wins the popular vote, they she may win out with super-delegates even if she doesn't have the most convention delegates. Since the way convention delegates are selected is so stupid, she'll have a good argument that they don't reflect they will of the public. I wouldn't call it just yet.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on March 05, 2008, 11:55:25 PM
Quote from: Asmodai
If Florida and Michigan count, then she has the clear lead.

They will never be allowed to count the earlier voting. Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan and neither candidate campaigned in either state.

There's talk of redoing the votes in those two states. That would seem to make sense.

Quote from: Asmodai
they she may win out with super-delegates

And speaking of super-delegates (and if no one knows what asmo means by the term 'super-delegate'):
The superdelagates are made up of party bigwigs, and politics is all about quid pro quo. In other words, nothing is done for free, and Hillary has been in the game longer than Obama. Which means a lot more people owe her a backscratch then they do Obama. She's had decades at the national level to acquire favors owed to her. And now she's calling them in.

And each party nominates their candidates independent of the other. When it comes time for the actual general election what you're actually voting for are electors, chosen by the party, to make up the electoral college. But for the primaries the delagates are purely for one party or another.

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on March 06, 2008, 12:27:10 AM
A re-do seems to make the most sense at this point. It was crazy to get into this position in the first place though.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on March 12, 2008, 03:40:28 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/misc/coolest-est.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Mugen on March 14, 2008, 11:22:44 AM
i fucking hate it when politicians take cheap shot at another person. At first, i dont mind hilary or barack but hilary has been talking shit like she won it and her party have been trying to tie barack with the taliban or some stupid shit liek that. stupid beotcj
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on March 15, 2008, 07:42:47 AM
Florida and Michigan shouldn't even count because they broke the rules and moved their primaries up. But if they're gonna change the rules for Hilary in the middle of the game then a redo would be the fairest way.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tako on March 18, 2008, 07:54:34 AM
I'm really mad that the Democrats even have Superdelegates. If Clinton wins, it will mostly be because of the Superdelegates, and then there pretty much would be no reason for us to vote in the primaries.
I really feel that although Obama is really idealistic and has less experience than Clinton, he will put forth a change in our country.

Anyways, I doubt that they'll revote in Florida and Michigan. Didn't the proposition get shut down because it cost too much or something?...maybe I'm making that up.

^^That's a sweet picture btw.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on March 22, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
[youtube=425,350]vthdr96EDnE[/youtube].
Title: 50 Cent no longer supports Clinton
Post by: Foxy Brown on April 01, 2008, 08:24:08 AM
Hillary Clinton appears to have lost a high-profile backer to rival Barack Obama.

Rapper 50 Cent, who told Time magazine last September he was supporting the New York senator's White House bid, now says he has decided to shift his allegiance to Obama. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/31/50-cent-no-longer-supports-clinton/)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: I LuV J-PoP on April 01, 2008, 05:39:18 PM
You guys know if Obama gets elected as president he'll most likely be shot shortly after he becomes president.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ctz on April 03, 2008, 02:23:19 AM
We're not living in the 60's... I'm pretty sure if Obama wins, he'll stay alive.

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on April 03, 2008, 08:05:09 AM
Mike Gravel '08
[youtube=425,350]bA2LgJviH9w[/youtube]
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JFC on April 09, 2008, 05:30:17 AM
Why so serious? :P (http://tapespace.com/view/I_m_F_cking_Obama)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on April 17, 2008, 07:36:28 PM
http://brucespringsteen.net/news/index.html
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on April 20, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/did-obama-give-a-flip-response-to-clinton-attacks/
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on June 12, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
I hope Obama wins the General. I think he can change how many countries view the U.S. which are not all good views. OBAMA 08!
Title: Tim Russert: 1950-2008
Post by: Saburo on June 14, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
Sad that one of the best and most influential journalists in America won't be around to see and breakdown this year's general election.

Tim Russert died yesterday of an apparent heart attack at 58 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91488979) -- much too soon.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on June 26, 2008, 09:34:29 PM
Project Make McCain Exciting: Gray Ambition

[youtube=425,350]8G9jA-FGGd8[/youtube]

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: korp on July 05, 2008, 08:10:27 AM
So this is where the meowster hangs around.

Still undecided.  I don't like anybody that is electable.  Why do we even have write-in's when they'll never win. 
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on July 08, 2008, 02:31:38 AM
nickorp! how's KNR? my domain has the server BANNED- so i cant get on from where i am.. luckily i'm moving soon though!

ANYWAY:

I think McCain is a "throw away" candidate. Sometimes both parties use "throw away" candidates when they know that they will lose an election. These are usually unexciting party regulars that have been around a long time and it is just "their turn" to run. The party, knowing they are going to lose anyway, lets them have "their turn" but they do not really put up much effort or much money to back the throw away candidate because they know they will lose.
Some throw away candidates come to mind. For the Democrats, the best example was Walter Mondale. They all knew a Democrat would not unseat Reagan that year. That is why they let Mondale have "his turn". If the Democrats had thought for a second that they had a chance in hell of beating Reagan, they would have ran a young exciting candidate they could win with.
For the Republicans the best example was Bob Dole. They knew that they were not going to beat Bill Clinton and Dole had been around forever and ran as VP at one time with Gerry Ford- and lost.
I think McCain is seen as a "throw away" too. I think that really deep down the Republicans know damn well that they are going to get the the king of a$$ whuppins this year and they just decided to let Johnny Mac have "his turn" rather than to fight it out with a "Reagan type" of candidate.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on July 08, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
John McCain has advocated bombing Iran. Iran has stated that if they are attacked by America, they will in turn attack Israel, who in turn says they will attack Iran back. Many people believe this could start a regional conflict that would spread quickly into WWIII.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Would McCain start WWIII if he gets in office?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on July 08, 2008, 11:00:48 PM
Confirmed! Obama to give acceptance speech at Invesco

Quote from: news
As has previously been rumored and now confirmed, Obama will give his speech officially accepting the Democratic nomination at Invesco field in Denver on Aug. 28th. Invesco holds 76,000, it should be quite a night.

Convention Co-Chair Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius says:


Quote:
“This change in the Convention program will allow thousands of first-time participants a chance to take part. I can’t think of a better Convention finale for our nominee who has made reaching out to voters a hallmark of his campaign.” 

Full statement here: The Page - by Mark Halperin - TIME (http://thepage.time.com/dncc-release-on-moving-nomination-acceptance-speech/)

It will be the biggest audience for any presidential acceptance speech in American history. This will be on the same day that Martin Luther King Jr gave his "I have a Dream" Speech. I have a feeling this is going to be a powerful speech that will give Obama more momentum into November and will heal alot of wounds within the democratic party.

This stadium will be full when Obama gives his acceptance speech. Whether you support Obama or not, everyone will want to be there to see history being made.

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on July 10, 2008, 02:23:41 AM
Jesse Jackson Trashes Obama, didnt realize mic was on

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91QIAP08&show_article=1

No need for him to apologize. Both he and Sharpton are nothing more than jealous pimps and opportunists. When Obama initially announced his intention to seek the office of POTUS, the first thing that came out of Sharpton's mouth was "he ain't one of us". Slick Jesse sat back in the cut waiting to see if Obama had a chance so that he could hitch a ride to Obama's star. Now they're both pretending to be such avid Obama supporters.

:lol:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on July 12, 2008, 02:14:09 AM
Something I typed up for political debate class, just sharing it here:

Just WHAT does it take to fill the gaping chasm and walk to the oval office on the other side?

On the McCain side, do these aspects fill that canyon?:
- Being a child of privilege which got him into the prestigious Naval Academy on Daddy's connections. Graduated very low, as he had conflicts with higher-ups, and was disinclined to obey every rule, which contributed to a low class rank (894th out of 899).
- Dumping a magnificent, strong wife and running around on her like some sort of drunken sailor.
- Marrying a rich Miss Hottie and running for office on her daddy's money.
- Was deeply involved (with 4 other Senators) in the Keating Five scandal, where he sought to stop Federal authorities from seizing Lincoln Saving & Loan. He received a Senate "rebuke" for that fiasco. (Typical GOP crap to protect the guilty rich who steal us blind.)

On the Obama side, do these aspects fill that canyon?:
- Made his own way through life, no rich daddy or family ties. He did on his own initiative. Isn't that the "classic" American success story.
- Outstanding academic achievement. Selected as an editor of Harvard Law Review based on grades and a writing competition. He earned it, none of Daddy's influence here. Became first black PRESIDENT of Harvard Law Review. Graduated MAGNA C-U-M LAUDE from Harvard!
- Taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School - for 12 years!
- Worked down at street level on the "South Side" of Chicago to improve the life of people in his city. He joined a church-based community organization originally of 8 Catholic parishes and accomplishments included helping set up a job training program, a college prep tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.
- Worked with Republican Governor Ryan to curb abuses in payday loans and predatory mortgage lending, to achieve better regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.


In my opinion, there is no contest here. John McCain is another George Bush, a child of privilege who has no idea that the bulk of us out here deserve one hell of a lot better than we are getting from our Presidents. My money and vote go to Obama.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on July 12, 2008, 02:43:52 AM
Of course I'm going for Obama as president, he seems like a great man. McCain could go hunting with Cheney.

But I think I'm gonna vote green! :lol:

It's not like my vote really counts in who wins the presidency anyways.

Really though, I'll be happy when the day comes that this show isn't run by the Donkeys and Elephants.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on July 12, 2008, 07:25:31 AM
Really though, I'll be happy when the day comes that this show isn't run by the Donkeys and Elephants.

God I hope that happens soon. I think that's one of the big problems with politics in America. Elections have ceased to be about what's best for the country and more about what's best for the party.

I have no idea who I'm going to vote for. Both candidates seem so useless.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on August 23, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
So, Joe Biden, eh?

Funnily enough, I was considering voting for Biden - but he dropped out before the NY primary.

I don't think it's a game-changer, but it's a safe choice. Hillary would have been a lot riskier.

The selection was a bit anti-climatic after all the hype though. Bayh or Biden... two old guys who look, sound, dress and act alike. Even their names are similar! :P

Any guesses on McCain's choice?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: redux on August 24, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
So...how long's left until we know exactly? From the otuside this thing seems to have been going on for a looong time...even longer than Big Brother...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on August 24, 2008, 10:22:07 PM
72 days XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on August 29, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP, first woman from the GOP and Alaskan, on a ticket.  Can't say I'm sold on Obama, though.  Maybe, enough to watch him fail, though.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Kanki on August 29, 2008, 06:20:47 PM
McCain is just trying to be historic too. :p
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on August 29, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
Will Carroll said she's "a Tina Fey lookalike..."

The SNL writers are already working on sketches for weeks to come!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on August 29, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
Mccain is trying to get the focus off one of the most historic conventions in U.S. history. It's evident that the only reason he chose Sarah Palin is to go after the Bitter Hilary supporters, especially after Sarah Palin praised Hilary. But Doesn't picking Sarah Palin contradict Mccain's message of a candidate needing experience?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on August 31, 2008, 05:46:17 AM
Find it weird that someone can be both "pro-life" and "pro-guns"..
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on August 31, 2008, 06:51:28 AM
Find it weird that someone can be both "pro-life" and "pro-guns"..
Pretty much all politicians are hypocrites, and just saying what people want to hear when they have to. If they were to just go one way no one of the other party will bother with them when election time comes along.


Obama's campaign is really pretty much built on hope, hope for all the people out there with little or no voice in politics. I think McCain is better qualified to be in office. But really, I don't give a crap. Sometimes you have to takes risks to get something done, and I think Obama can make change. Even if it's just because he's "Black." Because of him people who had no interest in politics are now paying attention. And if he wins I could only see that hope expanding. I really don't see how he can really make much change on how America works, but it's possible for him to change how Americans think.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on August 31, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
People should remember the president is just a figurehead, he is still limited by what Congress, the Supreme Court and the individual states can do.  I think it is difficult for some foreigners to comprehend the  2 level government the US has.

For Example, Pres. Bush could not stop the execution of a convicted rapist/murderer who was an illegal immigrant.  He could only ask that the Texas State Supreme Court to intervene, as to keep good relations with Mexico.  The State of Texas ignored him and executed him anyway.

The main problems with both political parties is that they both cater to the extreme left and rights.  The people with money that can influence politics are usually on those 2 ends.  And yes, most if not all politicians are hypocrites.

It is easily possible for a person to fall into the pro-life, pro-gun side.  Pro-life= anti-abortion, and the idea behind the second amendment will always be debated.  In terms of gun control, I have no problems with a standard hunting rifle or handgun, but no everyday person needs an Automatic/assault rifle.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on September 02, 2008, 08:04:34 AM
Mccain is trying to get the focus off one of the most historic conventions in U.S. history. It's evident that the only reason he chose Sarah Palin is to go after the Bitter Hilary supporters, especially after Sarah Palin praised Hilary. But Doesn't picking Sarah Palin contradict Mccain's message of a candidate needing experience?

Palin was a really effective governor too - and she actually knows how to send email...

Honestly I wish she was on the top of the ticket, then I wouldn't feel like I'm picking between two candidates neither of whom I like. (OK, after further research, I don't like her either - she's wacko far-right on a lot of issues.)

... they're not making this easy. Since my vote doesn't matter (New York votes Democrat no matter what), I might just write-in someone who I think could do the job better anyway.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on September 02, 2008, 11:05:50 PM
everyone should just vote green! we need more representatives that aren't democrat or republican. :P
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Mugen on September 03, 2008, 05:57:38 AM
Palin's pregnant daughter is hot!!!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on September 05, 2008, 03:52:08 AM
Everyone can write in Ron Paul.  Do what you whatever the hell you want it is a free country.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JFC on September 15, 2008, 07:12:43 PM
Oh my. XD

(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/175/sarahpalincraigslistyb2.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: cool_kickin_dude on September 16, 2008, 12:47:31 AM
to be perfectly honest..this country is going to be screwed up regardless..

i sometimes question this country and my belief in it
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mini*wheat on September 16, 2008, 12:57:36 AM
Oh my. XD

(IMAGE)

...Did you happen to grab the address JFC? I'm sure it's not too far from my place.

 XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on September 27, 2008, 03:23:33 AM
Debate is on now. Join the discussion on IRC. XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on September 27, 2008, 05:53:59 AM
I wanna see the Vice Presidential debate. There will be a clear winner in that one. Obama 08!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on September 30, 2008, 04:10:26 AM
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

For those who haven't seen it already.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on September 30, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
With Congress failing to pass the Bail out bill, the Republicans have just lost the election, by proxy.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ctz on October 02, 2008, 10:47:54 PM
Even the Finnish National Broadcaster is showing the vice presidential debate live on their internet site. I'd like to watch it but maybe I'd take all night... Not that I had anything important to do tomorrow anyway.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on October 02, 2008, 11:23:56 PM
Meh. I'll probably skip it and the Canadian debate. I'm sure I'll hear if anything interesting happens.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on October 03, 2008, 05:49:50 AM
From Factcheck.org, regarding the current mortgage mess-

The Real Deal


So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:

The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.


Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.


Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.


Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.


The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.


Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.


Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.


Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.


The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.


An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.


Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on October 04, 2008, 02:00:03 AM
Oh my. XD

haha that's great. Apparently they got one too. I can see it now. 'Sarah Pole-in', who has to screw her way into the Vice-President's role and sleeps with Obama/Biden just for the hell of it. Final scene can be her screwing McCain who dies of a heart attack as a result and she becomes President.Can you tell I've been thinking about this for a while? XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on October 05, 2008, 06:19:57 PM
Pretty accurate summary of the debate: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/

XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mode107 on October 05, 2008, 08:56:19 PM
lol, " What would a maverick do in this situation?"
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on October 05, 2008, 09:55:12 PM
Quote
Hustler Video is shooting a porn with a look-alike, titled "Nailin' Paylin." The spelling is sic and so is Hustler.


The faux Sarah is Lisa Ann, who "will be nailing the Russians who come knocking on her back-door." In another scene -- a flashback -- "young Paylin's creationist college professor will explain a 'big bang' theory even she can't deny!"

There's also a threeway with Hillary and Condoleezza look-alikes. The video is in pre-production, but is being fast tracked for release before the election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/nailin-paylin-hustlers-pa_n_131581.html

Damn, the title and content is much better than I could have ever come up with XD

On a serious note, I don't know how anyone in the Republican camp could think that Palin claiming that Obama has terrorist claims could be a good idea. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7653132.stm)

Especially when she has links to an Alaskan First fringe group seeking seccession from the US!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Mugen on October 10, 2008, 09:53:39 AM
Q: why can't Barack Obama laugh at himself??
A: because it would be racist!

 :cow:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on October 10, 2008, 02:03:54 PM
From Factcheck.org, regarding the current mortgage mess-

...

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.


I wouldn't call m2m obscure. Doesn't it get taught in any first year finance class?

Also, the idea that the market price of an asset isn't what it's worth in reality is silly. The market is what defines what something is worth in reality. If I have a house that I think is worth $500,000, but the most anyone will pay me for it is $300,000, then it's worth $300,000,  regardless of my subjective opinion of its value.

The bigger problem with M2M, in my opinion, is that it forces you to accrue losses before they're actually incurred. This creates distortions in profits on the way up, and in losses on the way down. (Of course it's necessary to cover fluctuating inventory prices and doing without it would bring its own distortions.)

Getting rid of M2M halfway through the financial year, is basically redoing your books through creative and selective omission to say something different. Analysts and investors are going to see through that anyway.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on October 10, 2008, 05:20:16 PM
So...  I'm totally out of it.

What do the latest polls say about the race?  Which opinion polls are the most accurate?  Does it even matter?

I live in Hawaii so my state's four (4) electoral votes are already spoken for.  What about the other 49 and DC?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: cool_kickin_dude on October 11, 2008, 12:10:52 AM
none of that matters to me..in a month or so..i'm denouncing the country, since i've lost faith in what Eminem sung in "White America",

THE DIVIDED STATES OF EMBARRASSMENT
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on October 11, 2008, 01:02:09 AM
So...  I'm totally out of it.

What do the latest polls say about the race?  Which opinion polls are the most accurate?  Does it even matter?

I live in Hawaii so my state's four (4) electoral votes are already spoken for.  What about the other 49 and DC?

Well, DC is never an issue (90% plus Democratic every election). Neither are states like Utah, Wyoming, New York, Massachusetts, Delaware, Alaska, etc.

The RealClearPolitics.com "poll of polls" provides a good average of the various polls. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Gallup and Rasmussen are generally the most reliable polls in my opinion. The different polls use different assumptions about voter behavior and turn out.

The national average also doesn't determine the winner, because of the electoral college. So, you often have to dig deeper into swing state polls to get a true picture (it doesn't matter if Utah votes 80% or 90% Republican - their votes only count once, meanwhile 500 votes in Florida might easily decide the whole thing).

For an easy to understand probability, the Intrade Markets are a good bet. They involve actual people making bets with real money, so they  tend to be fairly accurate historically. - Right now Obama is up big time: http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=409933&z=1223679276935 (79% chance of Obama win, 21% chance of McCain win).

The Senate and House races will be interesting too. The Democrats need 60 Senate seats to have the full run of the Chamber. Currently the prediction markets are only trading on about an 11% chance of this happening.

I also like to read this blog for a daily summary of campaign news: http://campaigndiaries.com/ It's got a slight Democratic tilt, but it has quite good analysis.

For McCain to win there would have to a recovery of the stock market and a major victory in either Iraq or Afghanistan (e.g. capturing Bin Laden, a lasting peace accord, etc.).
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on October 11, 2008, 04:34:08 AM
Interesting.  The only site I saw with electoral vote analysis was: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

The site is run by a guy at Baseball Prospectus.  Taking the tools used to project player performance on a different level.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on October 11, 2008, 09:24:11 AM
Pretty much everyone is calling Obama on this right now.

It's crazy though how some people are so scared of Obama being president, calling him a socialist and many saying the US will fall into a depression if he becomes president. It's kinda scary, a lot of the things people have posted about Obama on youtube and stuff. But people are just scared cause we really don't know what's gonna happen if he does win and there is a lot running on this election.

But really no matter what Obama's plans are, does he even really have the power to ruin this country?

none of that matters to me..in a month or so..i'm denouncing the country, since i've lost faith in what Eminem sung in "White America",

THE DIVIDED STATES OF EMBARRASSMENT

Why in a month? Why not just do it now? If you're gonna abandon this country, then just go. Don't work, don't use the roads, don't rely on any public service this country has provided you. You could go somewhere you'd prefer to live. What is that last strand of faith attached to that won't let you go? Let me me just say, you need this country a lot more than it needs you, especially with that attitude.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mini*wheat on October 11, 2008, 05:03:32 PM
It's also probably better to try to be the best American you can be as opposed to just denouncing the country. You can't fix everything, but you can try the best to change the things you can change, even if it's just in your own home.

But hey. We're in America. You have the freedom to denounce you're own country, so who's stopping you? I can kind of see where you're coming from CKD, but you might want to think about it a bit more. It's easy to focus on what we've screwed up (because it has been a lot...), but it's also easy to forget what America does give you.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on October 11, 2008, 06:17:01 PM
It's kinda scary, a lot of the things people have posted about Obama on youtube and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on October 11, 2008, 06:54:29 PM
^ Hahahaha!!

 What a bunch of brain washed rednecks...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on October 12, 2008, 12:33:50 AM
It's kinda scary, a lot of the things people have posted about Obama on youtube and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

It's the greatest thing that could have happened for the Obama camp. If McCain had ran a more respectable campaign from the beginning, you would be looking at a different outcome right now. If anything, Obama supporters should be thanking McCain's rough crowd.

One thing about this really irks me...our tax dollars are going to have to pay for more Secret Service to protect the Obamas because of this crap. What McCain and Palin have done in playing to fear and hatred is very dangerous. I wonder if they can be help legally and financially culpable if anything happens to Obama.

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: arun.yothin on October 12, 2008, 04:37:07 AM
I saw something where McCain said something about Obama being a nice person but he disagreed with him and the crowd started booing. In another video he was doing the same thing and an old woman said that she couldn't trust Obama because he was "an Arab". McCain corrected her and went on to praise Obama again.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on October 12, 2008, 02:20:16 PM
Obama hatred at McCain-Palin rallies: "Treason!" "Terrorist!"  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html)

Rapturous applause for Palin? Incessant booing and heckling for Biden? American politics sounds like WWE Wrestling to me.

Whilst having their flaws, I would personally go for Obama/Biden than McCain/Palin. Not sure how it's presented in the US, but over here, the media presents the republican campaign as just an endless tirade of criticising and attacking Obama, digging up what they would hope to be valid links between Obama and a domestic terrorist, at a time when Obama was 8 when these attacks were happening. Palin starts going 'oh why me?' when her links to an Alaskan terrorist group are brought up but if you're going to throw the word "terrorist" around without being too picky about its meaning then be prepared to have it flung back in your face. Palin can't answer a question like, 'Which newspapers do you read?' without having first gotten confirmation from the party, then answers it 4 days later and attacks the reporter for it.

More Palin mob stupidity:

[youtube=425,350]KjxzmaXAg9E[/youtube]

Watch out for classic lines such as 'Obama's been with an Islamic group from a young age, so I think he's a one man terror cell!' and 'Of course Obama's a terrorist, look at his name!'
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Daisuki Daiiyo on October 15, 2008, 12:04:02 AM
^ There are always going to be ignorant folks, unfortunately.

I saw something where McCain said something about Obama being a nice person but he disagreed with him and the crowd started booing. In another video he was doing the same thing and an old woman said that she couldn't trust Obama because he was "an Arab". McCain corrected her and went on to praise Obama again.
Yeah, I saw that too. McCain said that he was a decent person, and that there was nothing for that crazy old lady to fear. Later, CNN interviewed her after the rally, and the reporter said it went something like so:

Lady: Obama's an arab!
Reporter: No... he's not.
Lady: Well, he's a muslim then!
Reporter: No, he's not a muslim either. He's a regular old Christian American.
Lady: Well, I don't believe that. He's still a Muslim.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on October 15, 2008, 12:25:20 AM
Lady: Obama's an arab!
Reporter: No... he's not.
Lady: Well, he's a muslim then!

This is TOO GOOD to be true.  I swear, these hecklers seem like DNC plants.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: RatBastich on October 15, 2008, 12:57:55 AM
Here's a lil something I gotta share.
Credit to Keith Justice @ HJU, where I came across the link.
I got some lulz from this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvFAdpeTI3w
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Daisuki Daiiyo on October 15, 2008, 01:14:05 AM
^ Oh Keith Olbermann, if you were only 25 years younger... :heart:

This is TOO GOOD to be true.  I swear, these hecklers seem like DNC plants.

lol, it would be pretty brilliant if they managed to organize something like that right under our noses. But I dunno, that old lady didn't seem like she'd be apart of some subplot. XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on October 15, 2008, 01:29:06 AM
That video (posted by Tuffty) was brilliant! Would it be unfair to say those people don't deserve a vote, mainly because they are very clearly misinformed. If you take Obama, and change the B to an S, you get the first name of one "supposed" terrorist! :lol: Thats some good propaganda. The main problem with McCain is the fact I don't think he will last 4 years, in which case - the world is over.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JFC on October 20, 2008, 01:44:12 AM
I'm a Canadian, and even I find this current election campaign to be quite entertaining.  You can always count on Presidential candidates to show you the right way to dance around all the issues and mud they sling at each other.

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5240/bestdancethisyear1ms5.jpg) - :lol:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: shadowstar on October 25, 2008, 08:21:31 PM
How ignorant some people can be is truly frightening...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on October 31, 2008, 12:23:29 AM
I was watching a comedy show and they showed a clip of a women saying "No one in my family votes for a 'baby-killer', and Barak Obama is a baby-killer!"

I can't believe how brainwashed they are and how they easily they believe stuff. Only a few days to go...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on October 31, 2008, 01:21:23 AM
Matt Damon Rips Sarah Palin
[youtube=425,350]C6urw_PWHYk[/youtube]
Gotta love Matt..
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on October 31, 2008, 01:39:25 AM
OMG, he basically said everything I was thinking about her :lol: My opinion of him has sky-rocketed :)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on November 01, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
D-D-D-D-DANCE OFFFFFFFFFF!!!!

[youtube=425,350]wzyT9-9lUyE[/youtube]
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: RatBastich on November 02, 2008, 01:12:59 AM
Great video find, Guchi.
Matt sums it up just perfectly.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on November 02, 2008, 09:13:06 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_el_pr/canada_palin_prank_call

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YsS3rdaNek
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Hashi-Tashi on November 02, 2008, 09:35:07 AM
Obama supporter here!

Oh yeah, and watch out for those McSame "robo-calls"! :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg56KbtmARc
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on November 02, 2008, 11:36:41 PM
How long will the whole election process take?? I was thinking about staying up and watching the results come in, but with the time differences, I might be able to go to sleep and just get up early and watch the results come in XD anyone know?
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: tenkei on November 03, 2008, 12:23:25 AM
polls close at 8PM (local times), but it depends all on how the votes come out (which states go to who, etc). it could take all night
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on November 03, 2008, 12:35:10 AM
The official results will probably be known by the early morning hours after election night.

I just realized who McCain reminds me of. Dr. Evil XD
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on November 03, 2008, 02:22:16 AM
If it's a blow out, we may know by 10pm. Florida, Indiana and Virginia all have relatively early closing polls. If Obama sweeps those States, McCain doesn't really have any conceivable path to victory.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Masa on November 03, 2008, 03:14:56 PM
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1721/mccainhamuaastluskr5.jpg)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on November 03, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
It will be extremely difficult for McCain to win. Look at Arizona, his home state, not secure anymore. Look at Montana, up for grabs, Georgia, up for grabs, Indianna. Even W. Virginia is not secure for McCain anymore. NC is a tie, along w/Missouri and Ohio. Florida leaning Obama. Alot of rep states are either just leaning for McCain or up for grabs.

I was in Abilene a few days ago. Most voters around me were voting for McCain. This weekend, we ate dinner in Buffalo Gap, just south of Abilene, and I picked up a copy of the newspaper. Every single article in the paper was anti-Obama and pro McCain. The articles purported that all of the rumors about Obama were true. One article called him the jihad candidate. Others called him a proven socialist, etc. There were two editorials in the Abilene Reporter News stating that we didn't need a socialist in the White House. Almost 100% McCain around there.

Which brings me to a point: I have a feeling the assassination attempts will never cease.
I was very hesitant to vote for him because of this. However, I know he is intelligent enough to know this is a real possibility. In addition, in his debate, he stated if something should happen to him Biden would be the best person to take over. That confirmed to me that he knows what he is up against. If he is strong enough to take a chance on that, then I am strong enough to take a chance on voting for him.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Hashi-Tashi on November 03, 2008, 08:35:48 PM
Which brings me to a point: I have a feeling the assassination attempts will never cease.

Sad but true.  I've been trying not to think about it but it is indeed a very real probability.  In addition to being of color and a liberal, he is also considerably young.  The last 'young' prez we had was JFK... ring a bell?

I just sincerely hope that if the unfortunate event of Obama's assassination takes place, that it won't be sugar-coated by the conservatives as not an assassination, but an attempt to "protect us" and giving us the song & dance of how Obama is really an ally with "terrorists".  What's really sad is that I could see that actually happening and the American Sheeple falling for it.

Let's hope that Obama and his team has already long prepared for this and that no one drops the ball with protecting him when he wins tomorrow!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on November 04, 2008, 07:37:10 AM
When the Iranians are burning an effigy of Obama and the US Flag in the streets, people will realize he's not allied with him.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on November 04, 2008, 07:39:39 AM
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8174eb51ba/natalie-portman-rashida-jones-speak-out-again-from-natalie-portman-and-rashida-jones
The video wasn't embedding so I had to put it in code. It's totally hilarious.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Masa on November 04, 2008, 07:50:28 AM
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Dixville Notch has spoken: It's Obama in a landslide

DIXVILLE NOTCH, New Hampshire (CNN)  -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emerged victorious in the first election returns of the 2008 presidential race, winning 15 of 21 votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire.

People in the isolated village in New Hampshire's northeast corner voted just after midnight Tuesday. It was the first time since 1968 that the village leaned Democratic in an election. Obama's rival, Republican John McCain, won 6 votes.

A full 100 percent of registered voters in the village cast ballots. And the votes didn't take long to tally. The town, home to around 75 residents, has opened its polls shortly after midnight each election day since 1960, drawing national media attention for being the first place in the country to make its presidential preferences known.

However, since 1996, another small New Hampshire town -- Hart's Location -- reinstated its practice from the 1940s and also began opening its polls at midnight. The result in Dixville Notch is hardly a reliable bellwether for the eventual winner of the White House or even the result statewide.

Though New Hampshire is a perennial swing state, Dixville Notch -- until now -- had consistently leaned Republican. The last Democrat it picked was Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968. President Bush won the town in a landslide in the last two elections: He captured 73 percent of the vote in 2004 (19 residents picked Bush while six preferred Sen. John Kerry), and secured 80 percent of the vote in 2000 (21 votes for Bush, five votes for Al Gore.)

But villagers expected the results to be close this year given Democrats now outnumber Republicans there. The town picked both John McCain and Barack Obama for the New Hampshire Democratic and Republican primaries in January. McCain ultimately won the state of New Hampshire, while Sen. Hillary Clinton upset Obama there.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/index.html
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: RatBastich on November 05, 2008, 05:16:41 AM
There it is, y'all~!!

PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK OBAMA~!!!!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mini*wheat on November 05, 2008, 05:55:47 AM
GOBAMA
IT'S YOUR BIRFDAY!
NOT FOR REAL THOUGH
JUST FOR PLAY PLAY!

 :heart: :heart: :heart:

Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: ziggurat on November 05, 2008, 06:14:47 AM
Awesome. :D Congrats Obama!

[youtube=425,350]65I0HNvTDH4[/youtube]

 :muffin: :cow: :cow: :muffin:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on November 05, 2008, 06:18:51 AM
History live on TV...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Asmodai on November 05, 2008, 06:25:55 AM
Wooo!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Shinora on November 05, 2008, 06:29:05 AM
history has once again been made folks
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on November 05, 2008, 06:36:39 AM
w00t!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Masa on November 05, 2008, 06:40:02 AM
Yes we can!

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3640/panoramawinner3oi7.jpg)

GJ, Obama! GJ, America!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: bokunosonzai on November 05, 2008, 06:56:15 AM
OBAMA!!! :cow: :cow:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: A1 on November 05, 2008, 07:46:42 AM
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5084/zx6yi8qh6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/zx6yi8qh6.jpg/1/w750.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img88/zx6yi8qh6.jpg/1/)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Hashi-Tashi on November 05, 2008, 07:49:59 AM
CONGRATS OBAMA!!!  WOOT!!!

Oh, and if anybody want a good laugh at fanatically religious, conservative, bigoted ILLITERACY, take a look at this nutjob's page!

http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/take-a-stand-you-all/

"Muslamic coon"???
SHEEEESH!
Go see a dentist and STFU!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: sh15uya on November 05, 2008, 09:11:59 AM
congrats Obama ! congrats US !
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on November 05, 2008, 09:15:07 AM
Go see a dentist and STFU!

The ironic thing is that it will be Obama's health care plan that gives them easy access to anti-anxiety meds.... They'll be just fine!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: love_0o on November 05, 2008, 09:22:12 AM
Yeah Obama!!!  :otomerika: :cow:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Maikeru86 on November 05, 2008, 09:45:33 AM
Go OBAMA! Never been more proud to be an American.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on November 05, 2008, 10:02:42 AM
I love this country.

We did it guys.

We broke the back of an expanding, aggressive tyranny.

I am so happy that I will finally go to bed not thinking about a world of McCain vs. Putin, among other things.
Breathe, baby, breathe.

History. You're part of it. Mark your journals and diaries people, we just accomplished the "impossible", and I love every one of you, even those of you who have called me traitor, racist, and every other thing in the book.

All the problems won't be gone in the morning when we wake, but one thing will be different - a lot of people - all over the world - are hopeful. That has value beyond appraisal.

Hugs to you all.

To a better America!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on November 05, 2008, 10:34:26 AM
YAY!

I took some pics after I voted (didn't have the camera when I voted :/ ) I still have to get them developed :P

First time voting for a presidential election (missed the last one by a couple months) so it was an interesting experience.

It still amazes me that people actually believe Obama is Muslim... and are using that false information against him. Oh what a country.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saikami on November 05, 2008, 11:02:53 AM
GO OBAMA! WE DID IT! :cow:

I was pissed that I missed the voting by a little over a month 'cause of my birthday, but at least who I would've voted for won! :on GJ:
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: SomethingWild on November 05, 2008, 11:06:32 AM
I lolled at some of the republican reactions: "Well, in 4 years America will vote with some sense again, after Obama will have led this country into economic crysis." Quote- some guy who hasn't been paying attention the past 8 years :lol:

Congrats to Obama and I hope he can get some changes done.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: shadowstar on November 05, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
YAY OBAMA!!

I wish I was an American citizen, just so I could have voted for him.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mini*wheat on November 05, 2008, 02:43:24 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/LadyVoldything/000et712.gif)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on November 05, 2008, 02:51:59 PM
Stayed up until 4am my local time to watch him win! It was hilarious because the BBC kept interviewing republicans about why they lost, 2 hours before he won - although it was very likely after he would win after he got Ohio etc. Most of them were admitted to defeat, although they had some wack-job in the studio that kept going on about how shit Obama is going to be before anything has happened...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on November 05, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
Yay, Americans finally made the right choice..
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on November 05, 2008, 04:12:20 PM
Get ready for non-stop "alternative" coverage from Fox "News" Channel.

Also interesting is this Senate race in Minnesota.  Seems the third party played spoiler to somebody cause Norm Coleman was declared the winner over Al Franken by less than 800 votes.  Here comes the recount!!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mini*wheat on November 05, 2008, 07:17:47 PM
Everyone on facebook is going insane now.

I hope everyone takes their little tin foil hats off and stops freaking out.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: meowchi on November 05, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
To some of the Mccain supporters: you guys know who you are.. the lies, the mistating of facts, the spins, the disrespect, the racism...

You showed your true colors here and people saw through all the lies.

Because of you and the obvious mistakes John McCain made in this campaign, you handed the Presidency to Obama.

Conservatives - including those closeted ones that registered as "Independents" - is one of the main reasons Obama won. Barack HUSSEIN Obama! That's the best you fools can come up with? If I disclosed my full name, most certainly my middle name will be emphasized just as much.

There seems to be more narcissism, egotism, and pride on the republican side. This hasn't to do with the party.
People of American Caucasian decent just tend to be more "egotistical" towards everyone else. Have you noticed though, racial cultural plays a large prominent role in this.

I hope the republican party can fix itself, and get rid of the hateful people. I as a liberal, want the republican party to flourish. While republicans here are just so hateful towards Obama. Especially when Mccain presented his speech. That truly showed the colors of republicans (who were mostly caucasian). Egotism, and rudeness.

As a hopeful I wonder how long it will take for the republican party to be fixed.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on November 05, 2008, 08:47:26 PM
^LMFAO What an awesome vid. :lol:

Congratulations to Barack. Made a great acceptance speech that probably made people around the world hate America just a little bit less. Surely he can do no worse than Bush! I just worry that the expectations are now so huge, that people are expecting immediate results and will get highly critical if they don't come around. Better to just give him time.

And also, condolences to John McCain who was rather gracious in defeat.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on November 05, 2008, 09:24:49 PM
As a hopeful I wonder how long it will take for the republican party to be fixed.

No change possible since "The Base" is still dominated by Christian Evangelicals.  Can the Party of Lincoln change?  Not any time soon, me thinks.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on November 06, 2008, 04:58:56 AM
Notice that most of the moderate republican senators were booted out and the ones voted in were mostly quite conservative.

Also, holy shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Sarah Palin didn't know Africa was a continent

EDIT: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on November 06, 2008, 07:12:57 AM
:lol: they're blaming Palin now?

But really, the thought alone of her being the president of the United States scares the hell out of me.

From what I saw in the local news last night, a lot of republicans are blaming McCain's loss because he wasn't conservative enough. Guess he was too "mavericky." Again, conservatives really scare me.

And something that really bothers me right now. How conservative my own family and some of their friends are. It sorta makes me feel almost alone in my beliefs. It almost makes me feel angry. This actually probably stems more from that they voted for the illegalization of gay marriage in California rather than that they voted for McCain. I'm not gay and can be pretty homophobic at times, but I support them 100% when it comes to wanting to get married. Coincidentally we had some gay guest speakers in a class I had today and the guy got really emotional when he started talking about it, it just made me feel horrible as if it I had something to do with it. I really wish it was my family who saw it rather than me.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on November 06, 2008, 12:24:48 PM
I would guess that Palin has never been outside of the US, and its pretty disgraceful to be one step away from being President of the largest nation of the world, and not know anything about this world that she could run. If that is how narrow minded she is, then she is just like all the other "blow up the middle east" simpletons. Hopefully if they blame it all on her, will won't see her outside Alaska again.

I bet if we got a map of the world, and asked her to point out Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan, she wouldn't be able to.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on November 06, 2008, 02:57:57 PM
I have second thoughts about Obama now.
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/do_we_really_want_another_black
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on November 06, 2008, 04:32:59 PM
^ That guy doesn't have a fuckin' clue what he's talking about!!





Kevin Kline was never the President, his name was Dave.. And if they were to re-elect a white guy, surely the smart choice would be Jed Bartlet..
But seriously, it's not like Americans would ever vote for a actor........ oh wait!!
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: RatBastich on November 06, 2008, 05:47:52 PM
TD, that was an extremely stupid link.
Granted it was nothing but shit from someone trying to be funny, but failing rather miserably at it.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Tuffty on November 06, 2008, 08:13:24 PM
It's from the Onion.com. A satire news website, so don't panic, humanity hasn't fallen that far down the evolutionary scale! You need only look at headlines like, 'Black man gets the worst job in America', 'Nation Finally Shitty Enough To Make Social Progress' or 'Struggling Lower-Class Still Unsure How Best To Fuck Selves With Vote'. :lol: :lol:

I thought the Palin not knowing Africa's a continent thing was a joke headline :o
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: RatBastich on November 06, 2008, 08:26:02 PM
^
Nope it wasn't, but in actuality its always been Palin that was the BIG joke.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: reina's eyes on November 06, 2008, 09:24:44 PM
But seriously, it's not like Americans would ever vote for a actor........ oh wait!!

Not a good one anyway.

We can now look forward to a future with lots of coal, uranium and genetically modified foods:
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn15134-obama-on-science-in-his-own-words.html?feedId=online-news_rss20
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: JDAckers on November 06, 2008, 09:56:00 PM
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9508/palinkw8.jpg)

:P
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: daigong on November 07, 2008, 08:27:06 AM
FREE AT LAST!!

Gotta admit, I never REALLY followed politics, let alone this election. Living in a province that has elected Conservatives for the past several decades does that to ya. Kinda felt in the back of my mind, the rednecks would pull it out. WOW. Mad props to the Americans for showing up...the line ups, THAT is how democracy works. Always been a left wing ... AND Obama is truly a character, great speaker, down to earth, grass roots upbringing. He didn't bullshit. HiP HoP Hizzy Obama special got me attention fo sho.

Plain and simple. NO MORE BUSH!! Republicans never really had any quality people. Nixon?! Reagan?! Dubya was a fuckin joke.  An embarassment to Western Civilization. Good riddance.

For those with iPods or wanna watch this shit over and over again at their leisure:

Barack Obama Victory Speech.mp3   Size: 23.18 MB
http://sharebee.com/e8835363

(http://www.imgur.com/files/081107/OBAMA.jpg)
DOWNLOAD: http://www.sendspace.com/file/85eje6

GJ Americans! The right choice indeed. Obama is some powerful shit. Indeed, we will rebuild it calloused hand by calloused hand. YES WE CAN. The world is better off.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: StreakInTheSky on November 07, 2008, 10:41:11 AM
I personally think the Onion is a great satirical newspaper, and is probably one of the most successful. They even sell them in their own newspaper box things in some cities.


We can now look forward to a future with lots of coal, uranium and genetically modified foods:
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn15134-obama-on-science-in-his-own-words.html?feedId=online-news_rss20


Either he knows wtf he's talking about or he has people that know wtf they're talking about telling him what to say. I think that's a good sign of things to come.

I was just thinking about how I had no idea what his stance on Stem Cell Research was while I was in the shower (Yes I think of things like this while in the shower). But it looks like we're on the same page.

I may not agree with everything he says, but I trust he's intelligent enough to make reasonable choices.

A funny thought I just had is that when Bush was president and everyone was hating on him, lots of his supporters were like "Support our president because he is our president." But now that Obama will be president a bunch of those "president supporters" are probably hating on Obama just as much.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: THUNDERDUCK on November 07, 2008, 02:44:39 PM
In fairness, the president will never be able to make everyone happy.  The country is too big and diverse.  Also in a globalized world, you make some friends and gain enemies, or vice versa.  He will be tested, pleasing the citizens was the easy part, now he must answer to the global community.  We will have to see if he is willing to make American concessions to please foreign governments, and risk upsetting someone.  All we can do is back him up, not setting expectations too high.  Also, try not to stereotype the parties, each group Democrats and Republicans have their reactionary or radical counterparts, that embarrass them.  And all are susceptible to PACs and lobbyists.  Remember that every President has the "best interests" of people in their minds.  How they do it is what causes division.  I'm not pushing my own political agenda, which like religion is always a taboo/risky subject, but as a former student of Political Science and remaining objective, history will tell if you were an effective president.  In addition, when I was in the military, we learned that whether or not you liked the President, we would uphold and execute his orders.
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Saburo on November 07, 2008, 05:10:40 PM
Did anyone else take note of his selection of Rahm Emanuel as White House Chief of Staff?

Will Emanuel carve out a balanced, progressive mood or create paranoid fodder for Fox "News" Channel?

Personally, I hope he's a hardass...
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on November 07, 2008, 09:27:08 PM
Personally, I hope he's a hardass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U025hVMeY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHhZa-3hExo
Edit: also I just saw this http://www.theonion.com/content/news/kobe_bryant_scores_25_in_holy_shit
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mode107 on November 08, 2008, 08:49:41 PM
I'm still in awe that Obama won. That was a great night for me. I really enjoy watching ppl's reaction's to the CNN announcement in Times Square, Grant park, etc.  Even seeing global reactions was fun. I wished I could have been at the white house celebrating with the crowd.     
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: mackey on November 09, 2008, 03:06:08 AM
I'm not in the US, but I'm glad that Obama won.  I don't think I would trust the power to fall into the hands of Palin, if John McCain got elected and his health gets worse and she takes his place.  She doesn't even know that Africa is a continent for crying out loud.  =.= 

Good to see that I saw history being made Nov.4th.   :)
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: iacus on November 12, 2008, 06:56:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQVP2BV9LP0
Title: Re: US Elections 2008
Post by: Foxy Brown on September 21, 2009, 10:42:24 PM
Barack and Michelle Obama do WHAT together? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neCIg0BiXbE#normal)