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The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: kurotsuki on June 12, 2013, 02:15:39 AM
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Ever wanted to know what people from Japan are saying about their celebrities? This blog takes comments from 2channel and translates them for you to read. Very interest stuff!
In this thread, the Japanese comment about Reina's graduation and how Mari's scandal stole her spotlight.
http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/05/reina-tanaka-graduates-from-morning.html (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/05/reina-tanaka-graduates-from-morning.html)
Not too different from what you hear from English speakers but still fun to read their comments. Check out the Morning Musume tag or other tags to check out more funny or screwed up comments.
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I love this thread about Sayumi :lol:
http://majide2ch.blogspot.fi/2013/06/sayumi-michishiges-short-hair-picture.html (http://majide2ch.blogspot.fi/2013/06/sayumi-michishiges-short-hair-picture.html)
:heart: so much truth spoken
EDIT: Would you mind changing the title of the topic to something like "What 2ch is saying" so that it won't be just about one thread (the Reina one), especially when it seems there are more blogs now doing this sort of thing:
http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/ (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/)
http://wotaintranslation.com/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/)
I mean, I can edit it as well, but I think it's nicer to ask first. Haha.
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No problem, you can edit a bit too if you like. ^^ I'm glad you gave that suggestion to change the title. I'm also glad you enjoyed the site. :heart:
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Airi Suzuki reveals that someone from another idol group was smoking in the dressing room
I can't believe these girls for saying all those bad things about others, while implying that "we're different from them". And everyone's just complaining too much about Atsuko Maeda. Are they trying to pick a fight with her?
This "gal"-like attitude of ℃-ute is a turn-off. All of them seem to have really bad mouths. They're probably complaining all the time.
Mai Hagiwara was so cute before. She looks like a female pro wrestler now.
It's strange that Airi's being bashed here. She did the right thing by giving inside information.
There's nothing worse than a woman's backbiting
Well, all idols smoke and spread their legs wide open anyway
If one mentions "idols who smoke", Morning Musume is the first one that comes to mind. I think Kago and that generation, most of them smoked right?
Read more 2ch comments here.
http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/06/airi-suzuki-reveals-that-someone-from.html#more (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/06/airi-suzuki-reveals-that-someone-from.html#more)
What do you all think?
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Huuuhh? What did Hagiwara and Okai say then to also get commented on :?
I love juicy gossip so of course I'm on Airi's side here >_> She didn't even say who it was, how is that bad!
And yes MM has had scandals, but the current generation =/= previous generations...
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Great website/blog. Well translated and edited.
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http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/maachan-updates-her-blog-but-difficulty.html (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/maachan-updates-her-blog-but-difficulty.html)
Maachan ftw
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maachan makes me wonder if this would be the kind of blog we'd get if eri ever had one? XD they're both geniuses in their own ways XD
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http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/da-ishi-i-dont-have-anybody-i-could.html (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/da-ishi-i-dont-have-anybody-i-could.html)
Im pretty sure if Eri remembered to blog she would blog similar to Maachan
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Maa-chan is an angel: http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/22/maa-chan-is-an-angel/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/22/maa-chan-is-an-angel/)
Just slowly scroll down, read them all and wait for the combo breaker ;)
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yes she is
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Foreign wota on 2ch users who relentlessly flame Zukki: “Meanie!” “This is horrible.”
This is heartbreaking and very upsetting... Please read with caution if you hate s**t talkers! :on voodoo: Some people on 2ch are a**holes! I hope Zukki doesn't have to hear this crap.
So what happened was someone translated English comments from this page >http://majide2ch.blogspot.jp/2013/04/kanon-suzuki-of-morning-musumes-weight.html (http://majide2ch.blogspot.jp/2013/04/kanon-suzuki-of-morning-musumes-weight.html) and this is what 2ch users had to say. There were a few nice comments but not a lot.
These foreigners sure sound self-important for being a bunch of illegal downloaders.
Well, there’s certainly no denying that there’s a lot of scum using this board, too.
By Japan’s standards, she is obese.
Well, in America they have people that you can’t tell if they’re human beings or just meat. Compared to that, Zukki’s just a little chubby or plump.
Of course the foreign wota who don’t realize that 2ch is an underground site would be disgusted by all the slander thrown around here.
Japanese idols must look too skinny to many foreigners, too. There’s a lot of girls who have thin chests and hips because of dieting.
There’s so many good people among foreign wota.
It’s not just Zukki — all of the members get flamed.
I wonder if they know that?
The Ikuta wota should learn from this and at least become proper human beings.
Proudly declaring your love of H!P while illegally uploading their songs on YouTube and leaving them comments of high praise… care to give any comment on this, foreigners?
Foreigners, especially Americans and Europeans, are so tolerant of fat people.
You can’t fix being short, bald or ugly. Being fat, however, is something you can fix.
Zukki, if you don’t want to be criticized by these fools, put some effort into losing weight.
You foreigners need to stop thinking that the American size fattie is the global standard of obesity. No matter which way you look at it, when it comes to Asian people she is clearly obese.
H!P are global idols, so being a H!P fan, I have to be careful that I don’t openly display any disgraceful behavior. It’d be a shame if they thought that the Japanese are a malicious and spiteful people as a whole.
Original Page and more comments
http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/19/foreign-wota-on-2ch-users-who-relentlessly-flame-zukki-meanie-this-is-horrible/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/19/foreign-wota-on-2ch-users-who-relentlessly-flame-zukki-meanie-this-is-horrible/)
They need to realize there are more bigger celebrities coming out in Japan. Just look up Naomi Watanabe aka Japanese Beyonce! She's a big girl but she's comfortable with herself, she loves herself and people admire her for that.
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Just look up Naomi Watanabe aka Japanese Beyonce!
Yeah but she's a comedian/actress, not an idol.
And she went on a public diet, mostly as satire: http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/390207.html?thread=19940159 (http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/390207.html?thread=19940159)
Not saying I'm all that bothered by Zukki's weight situation (although she does tend to stick out during concerts), things would just be heck of a lot easier if she lost a few kilograms.
People tend to forget that she looked perfectly fine the first nine months or so of her tenure as a Musume.
It can give people the impression that she doesn't care that much about her job.
A bit like what people criticize Maasa for, although I think she has it worse, as she often comes over as uninterested, like she's going through the motions. I'm not saying she actually is, but she comes over as such.
Again, I'm not pretending to know what goes on inside these idols heads, it's just how a lot people percieve things. As long as she's happy, I'm fine with it, just don't be surprised if people are going to remark on it.
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On a funnier note
"To this day I still regret singing Papancake at karaoke during my first date with a girl"
Link: http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/22/to-this-day-i-still-regret-singing-papancake-at-karaoke-during-my-first-date-with-a-girl/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/22/to-this-day-i-still-regret-singing-papancake-at-karaoke-during-my-first-date-with-a-girl/)
Poor guy :lol:
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I don't personally have a problem with Zukki's weight, but the wota are right about two things:
1) As an idol, it's a part of her job to take care of her looks, including her weight.
It's a job that is strongly based on looks, kind of like being a model... So if it appears that she's not even trying to improve her "job performance", some fans will think she's undeserving, lazy, etc. I think some fans trying to come up with excuses for her like having a disease or being over-stressed are sort of making things worse because they're making it seem as if Zukki has no control over it, taking away her power to change her own body. Sure, there may be some underlying issues and she might have to work out more than some other members to achieve a similar appearance, but most likely she's just not watching what she eats and not exercising enough - the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
2) No matter how cute she is now, her looks would only improve if she lost some weight (in a healthy way, of course).
I think fans who are in this fandom to see the girls improve in every way and realize their best possible idol potential are also frustrated that this girl is stuck in her current weight, kind of like being stuck with one hairstyle (which Zukki is, too). I'm hoping that she'll pull a Makoto who went from being chubby to looking energized and fit. She was always a genki dancer but her slimmer frame really brought it out, made it impossible to miss. Zukki has very lovely facial features (big eyes, lush lips, great smile) so her popularity might significantly increase if she managed to do the same as Makochan. Not even just because of her improved looks, but fans would think "look how hard she worked, she must be so passionate, I will definitely support her from now".
And yeah, Japan weight context =/= American & European weight context. It's always shocking to go to Japan for a while and then return back home.
I also think that making fun of a girl or woman for her weight is a low thing to do. It's one thing to attempt to discuss a topic in a rational way (for example "what it means to be a chubby idol in Japan") and another to start throwing around insults and essentially body-shaming her.
Since Zukki has been this way for quite a while now, it appears that she's happy being in this comfort zone of her current weight and also relative unpopularity. It's great if she's happy, but it's also boring if she's not fighting to survive. It becomes more than just a weight issue, also visible in the way her personality has quieted down. In the entertainment business, a person should never get comfortable because it takes a lot of work to keep people's interest up.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with her weight, I have more of a problem with her having become quite boring recently.
And on a completely different note, clearly J-wota who think that all foreign fans are just illegal downloaders are simply wrong...
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the thing that kinda annoys me the most about this "kanon and her weight" thing is that to me at least it seems like a lot of ppl who say "she needs to loose weight" thinks that she can just say that herself and bam all of her insults will melt away. like idk how to put it into written words properly without sounding like im "delusional" or whatever @~@ and even about her personality I felt it had to do that maachan kinda took her thunder away for at least the genki funny girl thing she had going at first. like its a mixture of things and idk how to properly word it @~@
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What makes me feel weird about that subject is that the 2ch people seem to have forgotten that Mini-Moni existed. At one point three of the four members were as heavy or heavier than Kanon. And, yet they still sold a bazillion singles.
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What's your favorite current Musume couple? (Color coded!)
Link: http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.be/2013/06/under-translation-whats-your-favorite.html?spref=tw (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.be/2013/06/under-translation-whats-your-favorite.html?spref=tw)
131: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/17(月) 17:55:25.47 0
These names might be used pretty often
Fukumura Ikuta
-PonPon
Fukumura Sayashi
Fukumura Suzuki
-MiZukki
Fukumura Iikubo
-HoneyPon
Fukumura Ishida
-AyuMizuki
Fukumura Sato
-FukuMa-
Fukumura Kudo
-HaruMizuki
Fukumura Oda
Ikuta Sayashi
-IkuSaya, Ping Pong Dash
Ikuta Suzuki
Ikuta Iikubo
Ikuta Sato
-IkuMa-
Ikuta Kudo
Ikuta Oda
-IkuSaku
Sayashi Suzuki
-Riho Kano
Sayashi Iikubo
Sayashi Ishida
-Saya Ishi
Sayashi Sato
-Shuwa Poku
Sayashi Kudo
-SayaDu-
Sayashi Oda
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I had no idea that Ikuta+Sayashi pairing is so popular... I've seen their golden Ping Pong Dash thing, but that's only one video o-o I need more material lol
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Oh man this is so good: http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/23/things-in-hello-project-history-that-were-forgotten-about/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/23/things-in-hello-project-history-that-were-forgotten-about/)
Not only because it's a reminder of some things past, but also because some of it is just.. Ouch :lol: And yeah... What DID happen to x, y and z?! :lol:
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OG time! :heart: Ayaya is considered the last solo super idol!
Aya Matsuura was the best idol ever, right?
Everything about her was just perfect
There probably won't be another person like Matsuura
She was really cute until her song "Ne~e", but she just deteriorated all of a sudden when she was treated similarly to the trash around her. If she was just treated specially and if people just made her feel like a princess, she probably would have lasted longer.
Listening to the lyrics and the songs again, it really makes you think that Tsunku is really talented.
At least it was Tsunku's talent that made Ayaya what she was.
It didn't even feel that Matsuura was forced into the limelight.
She really was an honest-to-goodness super idol.
Ayaya also has an unexpectedly huge rack
Didn't Yaguchi praise her and call her "Master" when they were together? Then when she wasn't with her, she complained that Morning Musume's earnings all went to Ayaya's concerts, right?
Serious answer, I think the best ever idol is Seiko-chan
Idols nowadays are lipsyncing and doing MC duties because of Ai Haruna's imitation of Ayaya.
Ayaya has pain in her uterus, right?
It's good that Keita isn't abandoning her.
Idol Cyborg Ayaya
Her 2 years really was perfect
Original and more comments here
http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/06/aya-matsuura-was-best-idol-ever-right.html (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/06/aya-matsuura-was-best-idol-ever-right.html)
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Sato: Iikutasa-n, what were you doing with Nukumurasan yesterday?
Ikuta: Um, well *grin*
Fukumura: ...... *turns all red*
Iikubo: Here Machan, we'll go have breakfast
http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/9ki-and-10ki-goes-on-school-trip-with.html (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/9ki-and-10ki-goes-on-school-trip-with.html)
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http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/29/in-loving-remembrance-of-the-rival-survival-eight/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/06/29/in-loving-remembrance-of-the-rival-survival-eight/)
it's like they knew how to put what I wanted to say about platinum era into words(yes even the boob talk) platinum era 4ever
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http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/rumors-of-mm-teamwork-at-ongakuno-hi.html#more (http://wolves-morningmusume.blogspot.com/2013/06/rumors-of-mm-teamwork-at-ongakuno-hi.html#more)
eripon wins
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Tsunku: “The members of H!P are an extension of myself. I could not see them as objects of romantic interest.”
Link: http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/07/08/tsunku-the-members-of-hp-are-an-extension-of-myself-i-could-not-see-them-as-objects-of-romantic-interest/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/07/08/tsunku-the-members-of-hp-are-an-extension-of-myself-i-could-not-see-them-as-objects-of-romantic-interest/)
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^ I think about the problematic aspects of being a H!P fan a LOT, but that's one of the things I can thankfully remove from the list of things to worry about :lol: (As in, young girls being taken advantage of by their elders at work place who are supposed to be responsible for them professionally, not be their lovers)
And I love the teacher analogy in one of the comments because it's so understandable to me. In general, isn't it one of the most satisfying feelings when you can watch someone grow and improve under your influence and guidance? I already feel proud witnessing this growth as a fan, but to have actually helped them to get here, even a little here and there, must be so much better. lol
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I remember a while back there was some TV show where MM was on and they also had the leader of AKB48 (probably because the producers found it amusing that both her and the leader of H!P at the time were named Takahashi). This was the same show where they "ran an angle" to turn Michishige Sayumi baby face after she had been a heel for several years. On the show AKB48 Takahashi mentioned that sometimes she felt that she would have been better off in H!P because there where so many members of her company that many of them come an graduate and she never even gets to meet them even though she is the leader. While this may have been true or it may have been something she made up to make herself look sympathetic, if the above posts are true then maybe it was her covert way of saying that she would have been better off in H!P because she wouldn't have had to deal with harrassing producers?
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I'm quite surprised by how bad 2chan could be. I read it was bad but I didn't quite believe it. I thought that Japanese people didn't really feel the need to broadcast negative opinions.
Actually now that I think about it I don't think I want to know what 2chan are saying. Image boards anywhere are bollocks. Most internet communication isn't exactly worthwhile, let's face it.
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^When you get into a certain level of confidence with Japanese people, you'll get to hear all sorts of opinions. Privacy and anonymity are all they need to let it all out.
In a way, it's interesting to read their negative opinions because normally and publicly, they just agree with what the majority says and that doesn't hold a lot of information we don't know yet.
I feel the girls tho. Some stuff there are just horrible.
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Hearing real opinions about how the govt handled the nuclear crisis, or real opinions about past negative historical activities, sure, it can be interesting, even if one doesn't agree with the opinion of the poster.
Hearing someone's 'opinion' of how disappointed they are with a 14 year old girl struggling with weight issues? Not interested in the least.
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2ch is like a double edged sword but since its anonymous its pretty much anything goes which is good and bad (hence double edged sword) I prefer when they have silly discussions about what the girls do in their blogs or mini scenario talks, or even interesting discussions about the past members like the platinum line up. it gives you the idea of the ppl who are pretty much surrounded by the groups we love on a daily basis and im happy people even bother to translate them even if those ppl are talking bad about my oshi, tho I do wish I could find something positive about her more than just talk of her weight >3>
in short its a double edged sword to me
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http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/08/03/oda-and-ishida-go-out-to-eat-together-ishida-looks-super-bored/ (http://wotaintranslation.com/2013/08/03/oda-and-ishida-go-out-to-eat-together-ishida-looks-super-bored/)
Poor Ayumin threads are the best. Sneak those dumplings out in your bra Ayumin xD
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http://media.tumblr.com/57efdcd4e3e7a07c7d431f6aac7a2996/tumblr_mr3zp6HMmO1r63vf2o1_400.gif (http://media.tumblr.com/57efdcd4e3e7a07c7d431f6aac7a2996/tumblr_mr3zp6HMmO1r63vf2o1_400.gif)
84: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/07/09(火) 22:13:30.28 0
If you cheated on her…
Fukumura: would cry
Ikuta: would stab you
Ishida: would demand a large amount of money in consolation
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Is this the dawn of the new Morning Musume era? The Music Station effect
http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/08/is-this-dawn-of-new-morning-musume-era.html (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/08/is-this-dawn-of-new-morning-musume-era.html)
A huge victory
I'm actually a hater, but I concede, this is a huge win for them w
This thread is really going to be a congratulatory place for them. Everything was a huge and overwhelming victory for them... apart from Sayashi's singing and Oda's face.
It really felt like they're going to return on the show.
People are saying that this is their 2nd huge break, 2nd coming of the MoMusu boom, it's actually making me scared.
Everyone looked so cute.
Michishige really looked genuinely happy during their final pose, it made me cry.
Seems like Morning Musume is getting more attention again because of their appearance on Music Station. I liked that Zukky was getting very positive comments here ^^
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Covering Happy Summer Wedding, and covering it well is actually quite challenging - there are the twin pressures of keeping it kawaii, but delivering that blended, layered sound with the correct rhythm.....then I think when they transitioned into the new song, I am pretty sure that a lot of the guests, studio audience members, and the teevee audience were blown away....
Dayum! Exciting times!! :deco: :hip smile: :cow:
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Eripon is a boob man. (http://www.helloprojectworld.com/2013/09/ikuta-is-really-fond-of-tits-lol.html)
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^ She makes me so proud every day!
:D
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reading the 2ch reaction made me think japanese netizen is scary..
its like there is no space for empathy in them..
while their only concern about beauty, popularity, bashing deteriorating , and even concern in small details is kinda sick.
:cry: :cry:
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^ Yeah, I don't really see any appeal in 2chan apart from when I used to look at the toku images. I think it's safe to say image boards are generally the bottom of the heap.
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2ch has its good and its bad....mostly bad, but when translated it gives us non Japanese speaking fans an insight of what most of the fans are thinking. granted they're usually filled with the negative ppl but sometimes its amusing to see that they have some of the same thoughts on a specific girl, or single as we do.
in short 2ch is kinda like a double edged sword
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yeah...sure it had its good n bad....even that..its still entertaining things to look into..i mean i enjoys reading all those despite feel uneasy with all those bashinh :banghead:
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Question. So many people on 2chan believe that Miki is Korean. For years I've known Miki as Japanese but since reading the 2chan threads, they keep saying that she's Korean. I know that a majority of 2channers are full of crap but I'm just wondering, did I miss something? What do you guys think?
People like Fujimoto are Zainichi.
People like her are hiding it so they won't give themselves away by talking about Korean topics.
Fujimoto's the only Zainichi.
There's also proof.
Ai Takahashi doesn't have that distinct face that Koreans have.
Mikitty's the one who's Korean.
Zainichi means a foreigner who resides in Japan.
Quotes from this thread - http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/09/ai-takahashi-off-to-thailand.html#more (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/09/ai-takahashi-off-to-thailand.html#more)
Another thread that mentions Miki as a Korean and other nonsense opinions - http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/07/talents-who-are-hiding-that-theyre.html#more (http://majide2ch.blogspot.com/2013/07/talents-who-are-hiding-that-theyre.html#more)
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I wonder if there's a sense of us and them, like Welsh culture has. I've worried about not being accepted as a Welsh person because of my English father and not being brought up in Wales.
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You know that most discussion in 2ch (entertainment section), mostly bash/mock about several female artist, also they discuss about how "ikemen" some man/person.