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The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: Linus on July 31, 2006, 01:00:53 PM
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Can one person has more benefit going solo than within a group? It's said Rika Ishikawa has more fans than Morning Musume as a whole, although many of them are not interested in Momusu nor Viyuden. Is that possible? Yama-P from news went recently solo and sold 450,000 copies, the double of NewS singles.
Who could double Momusu sells debuting... next Wednesday? ;)
Not Koharu, apparently...
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She's the lesser known. So, the question is, if she sold great with Koi*Kana, what could the most known member do? Hitomi Yoshizawa, yeah. Will her fanbase support her in a solo adventure? Out of all Momusus, her face is the only one in over a million covers from RR21. And maybe 5th gen can be recognized thanks to 4th Ikimasshoi sells of 500K. Could Taka double Momusu sells by going solo? Let's all talk !! :D
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I don't think any of them could double the group honestly.
Takahashi - going solo? She'd probably do about as well as Kaori is.
Miki would probably do about as well as she was doing before.
Everyone else would probably wind up doing worse than Kei and Mari are currently.
Japanese record buyers have not been kind to graduated/solo MM members.
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If it's not Koharu, it doesn't make sense to me.
Edit: that pic you've posted, it looks like some poll thingie o_O
1. Koharu 76%
2. Eri 72%
3. Sayumi 71%
4. Reina 70%
5. Makoto 55%
6. Risa 54%
7. Asami 49% (what is she doing on this poll?)
8. Ai 43%
9. Miki 32%
10. Yossi 24%
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As of now, I think only Miki can.
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Can one person has more benefit going solo than within a group? It's said Rika Ishikawa has more fans than Morning Musume as a whole, although many of them are not interested in Momusu nor Viyuden. Is that possible?
That ain't bullshit. For example Miki as a solo artist will always sell more than Country Musume + Miki. However I don't believe that any of the MM girls would outsell Morning Musume. If Maki and Nacchi couldn't do it, then Takahashi, Reina, Yossi etc. won't do it either.
And about that solo vs. group thing. I saw a funny comment about Viyuden in 2ch a while ago. People were talking about the weak sales of Viyuden and someone said something like that total sales of Viyuden (10 000 copies) consists of Rika (15 000) and Yui & Erika (-5000).
Even though it was a joke there is still some truth in it. The name Rika Ishikawa is still more well known than Viyuden. I saw a japanese google hits chart and the name "Rika Ishikawa" had twice as many hits than "Viyuden", "Erika Miyoshi" and "Yui Okada" combined. So I definitely believe that Rika herself would outsell Viyuden. Another example of this is that when people were talking about the sales of Fleur de Fleur some Rika-fan said that why would he buy a Viyuden PB if he didn't buy Morning Musume group PBs either.
And I understand that. I'm a Rika-fan and I only own three Morning Musume releases: The Peace single, Osaka Koi No Uta single & Rika graduation concert DVD. If Rika would have gotten solo singles while she was in MM I would have bought them. I never had any desire to buy singles like Namida or Manpower because they don't have as much Rika as The Peace.
I think the difference is even bigger with a big group like MM. I'm sure all Tsuji-fans support W and most of the Rika-fans probably support Viyuden but it's pretty hard to support a group if your favorite member is just one of 10-15 members. And especially if your favorite member doesn't get many lines or much screentime.
I believe that the first solo single by any popular member could sell around 15-20k but the next singles wouldn't do as well. For some reason hardcore fans tend to buy multiple copies of debut singles/PBs. I think Miki and Takahashi could sell as many copies as Nacchi's, Aya's or Viyuden's latest releases.
That was a lot of off topic crap but anyways, the only members I could see going solo are Miki and Takahashi.
Takahashi - going solo? She'd probably do about as well as Kaori is.
Takahashi would definitely sell more than Kaori. Takahashi and Miki are the only MM members who are considered as popular as the DEF. DIVA girls.
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Reina could probably go solo. She shouldn't though, the group need her.
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If it's not Koharu, it doesn't make sense to me.
Edit: that pic you've posted, it looks like some poll thingie o_O
1. Koharu 76%
2. Eri 72%
3. Sayumi 71%
4. Reina 70%
5. Makoto 55%
6. Risa 54%
7. Asami 49% (what is she doing on this poll?)
8. Ai 43%
9. Miki 32%
10. Yossi 24%
Aparently the poll shows XX% know *this* girl.
So indeed, the ones with most history in H!P are more known.
Only a 24% did not know about Yossie.
From the picture, it looks like Iroppoi Jirettai time.
With Koha's solo, she must be most known nowadays.
I'm sure Miki could release something else if GAM is a success and puts both soloists back to the spotlight :D
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As of now, I think only Miki can.
thats what i was thinking.. the only one who could actually go solo and yet keep a regualr fanbase would be miki in my opinion.. but now that GAM is certain i dont see that happening..
and sure.. ai-chan and yossi have huge amount of fans.. i think they work better in a group? like.. their popularity has been contributed by the group effort of momusu.. i doubt either of them could make it solo.. myabe ai-chan if she had like 80000 hardcore fans that all buy her CD.. otherwise.. NO :(
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the only ones i can see doing well solo is miki and aichan. reina is great but i don't know, i guess it's cause she's still young. personally i can't see yossi doing well as a loner, it'd be great if she joined a group but i can see her graduating then living a life as a housewife or soccer mom or something.
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Needless to say, I think that Miki must and will go back solo within the foreseeable future. This is ME talking! Such an expectation is a given! XD
Okay. Enough of that. Seriously though, the only other one that I can see going solo is Takahashi. Girl has the looks and the voice. Talent is one thing. Somehow I still find that she needs other people around her to help her shine.
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I can honestly only think of Miki and Ai going solo. Reina doesn't have the voice IMO, but I love Reina, nonethelesss, so don't take that as a bashing ^_^;
Ai surprised me with her solo song...I loved it...and I listen to it everyday, and it actually charted, despite being an online-only single. and Miki is just Miki...can't say much about her lol
w00t 50 posts >_>
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Reina could probably go solo. She shouldn't though, the group need her.
The group does need her. She needs the group. There's no way she could survive on her own, imo.
The best canidate for me is Miki and even that's iffy. Maybe after GAM and the movie she might be able to do it, but I don't think anyone could beat MM's CD selling...
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It takes Gomattou, three top H!P artist and a good song to beat MM in sales, I don't think any of current MM member can pull it off alone. They might sell well on their debut song maybe 20-30k? Then follow the usual H!P pattern of spiraling down. Damn that's depressing x_x;
I agree though about Rika's better off on her own than in VUden, I never bought any VUden goods because I don't really quite care about the other 2.
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What Masa said :P
This is a bit off-topic, but seriously, especially to foreign fans (those who can't go to Japan) it really sucks being the fan of a non-solo member because there's not much stuff you can buy with *only* your favourite member. It's mostly just PBs (which are rare anyway), with luck UFA pics on eBay, and err maybe other concert merchandise on eBay, or if you have contacts, from Japanese yahoo auctions. But it's just not the same as buying a solo member's product.
Instead of graduating a member from MM to a solo career right now, maybe UFA should try releasing random members' solo single for example twice a year just as a side project (like Koharu's one). Two singles per year, and the member is always different (until they run out, lol). But older members would have priority because they've had more time to make themselves known. Like the first two to get their single would be Yossi and Miki. Does that make sense? I think it would be HUGE fanservice, something I'd definitely buy if I had a strong favourite member in MM (heck, I'd probably buy Eri's). Well, it's an idea they should consider. Sometimes I wish UFA really had spies on foreign forums to at least give some ideas a try LOL!
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Mikitty, of course. Duhh.
That said, it seems to me that Morning Musume and Hello! Project is more than just "music on compact discs" these days. I get the impression that a "solo artist" doesn't even have to sell THAT many CDs to have a viable "solo career."
I don't see any current members of Musume and Company being viable solo singers unless it's in the vein of "Folk Songs XIII" or whatever.
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Right now, I can only think of Miki and Takahashi as solo artists. Miki had a good starting point before entering MM, and Takahashi's voice and improved stage presence can help (anyone seen her OSAKA KOI NO UTA solo on the Rainbow 7 concert? HOT)
Instead of graduating a member from MM to a solo career right now, maybe UFA should try releasing random members' solo single for example twice a year just as a side project (like Koharu's one).
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Heh, I can't really picture anyone in the current MM lineup going solo and doing better than Morning Musume as a whole o_o; This has been said previously, but yesh. Chiming in, agreeing with what seems obvious. Miki and Takahashi sure seems like the prime candidates for a future solo career, but I'd personally like to see Reina er Eri get a solo single or two. I'm a huge Yossi fan, but even I don't think that she'd do well on her own o_o; I love her voice, but her style is more suited for a group than solo stuff. At least in my opinion.
Agreeing with shirenu's thoughts about random solo singles during the year. That would have been really interesting, although perhaps a bit unhealthy for the girls. I'm thinking in terms of them getting competitive and jealous o_o; Who knows, perhaps that would liven things up XD;
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MIkitty is the only one I could see in Momusu that could go solo. Reina could go solo, but like dan has said, the group needs her. As good as a singer Takahashi is, a solo career for her I think would end up probably just a little better than Kaori, and at best as well as Nacchi's
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I say Miki should go solo or persue GAM. GAM has a lot of potential seeing it has two of the best singers in H!P. It could bring H!P back on top!
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I say Miki should go solo or persue GAM. GAM has a lot of potential seeing it has two of the best singers in H!P. It could bring H!P back on top!
Well if you look at current idol music, they still are :lol:
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Have they had a #1 in awhile though? I don't think they have... H!P needs a #1!!!
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DEF.DIVA was our last No.1 I believe~
I think that if MoMuSu's releases were timed right, they'd be able to have a song which would be No.1 for a week!
Back ON topic, I think that Asami from Country Musume should become a soloist! She's a big waste within Country Musume because she has excellent communication skills and can sing well (and dance from what I've seen). I'd like her to sing songs with a band!
From MoMuSu, I think that the only person that should go solo is Miki, because she is well known and sings really well! Ai Takahashi needs to get more known by actually talking on music shows and doing more things like CMs and doramas~ MoMuSu members in general have to be pimped to the public because the public just doesn't know who the people within MoMuSu are...
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Koharu should go solo (and not for her benefit), but that's just wishful thinking on my part.
What I'd like them to do is have everyone a dose of going partially solo (or at least in little partners/groups) while being in MM. Or perhaps be more equal in the group. No one hogs the solo lines, no one hogs the screentime, everyone shines. Happy happy for everybody!
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Have they had a #1 in awhile though? I don't think they have... H!P needs a #1!!!
Make it be Risako! or Simmin! :rolleyes::heart:
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Takahashi, Risako and Koharu. HEIL the new Generation!
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ai solo ftw. but dun graduate her pls.
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I, personally, think that Takahashi Ai should go solo, just based on her voice. She has a nice, strong voice that would definitely support a solor career. :P
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Takahashi, Risako and Koharu. HEIL the new Generation!
That'd be difficult, but ideal :)
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I personally think that Ai solo is just a fan-fantasy. She doesn't have the personality to be on her own. She sure has the voice and the looks but lacks in other ways.
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The more I watch GAM, the more I think Miki needs her solo career back... :ksad:
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Reina could probably go solo. She shouldn't though, the group need her.
Same opinion as Dan here !
Imo Momusu wouldnt be the same without reina :o
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miki should relli go solo again
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I personally think that Ai solo is just a fan-fantasy. She doesn't have the personality to be on her own. She sure has the voice and the looks but lacks in other ways.
I personally think that Ai can't go solo is just a hater-fantasy. She's not a comedian, clown, or fan-service gravure idol. She has everything needed to fit in as an artist (女優).
no i'm not trying to start an arguement. so pls ignore my post here.
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^^^
Yeah alot of artist/singer in jpop world don't have that much of an outstanding personality. But they make it in the artist world because they have talent and good song. Good looking face can't hurt either. Ai has all three (well she needs abit of work with vocal to match outside H!P standard, but nothing an intensive vocal lesson can't fix, she got a natural talent for it). :)
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Well, I'm (apparently) no Tsunku. But I think that she(Ai) fit's more into a group than solo.
Miki, on the other hand, doesn't fit in a group at all (if it isn't with ayaya ^_^). I personally thinks she loaths to be in that group with so many..."kids". =D
But I wouldn't know. Ai might really make it on her own. But I think she lacks that certain "it" that you need if you're gonna make it really big. And that special it isn't about being a clown or whatever.
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to me i think Ai-chan should stay in mm a bit more b4 going solo so quick, (1. MM needs her (2. she should stay in there longer using MM's name to get more popular b4 going solo. but then again some things could happen when u least expect, like the coming up grad will be Ai! haha who knows
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Yeah, Miki totally - she seems out of place in a group. H!P lackey maybe, hang out with the cru - but she's got her training. Time for Miki to be a woman. :jerk:
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i think aichan should go,good singing voice,pretty face,many solo lines in mm`s songs,characteristics of a good soloist, so why not
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miki-sama miki-sama oshioki kibonnu!
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
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From a bias point of view, Eri.
From an honest point of view, Miki. Though people like Risako and Miyabi could go solo, I wouldn't want them to.
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Risako or Miyabi solo?? No wayz :lol:
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Risako or Miyabi solo?? No wayz :lol:
Oh in time of course. When they're like, 18ish you know. I'm sure they would be solo potential with their experiance by then.
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:D Yeah... I agree about Miyabi :)
(...But not Risako :D )
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:D Yeah... I agree about Miyabi :)
(...But not Risako :D )
Heh heh :)
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Miki...
She is a solo aritist to be begin with.
To hell with Tsunku for ending her solo career
We want solo Miki back!
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Miki-sama
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In MM ---> Mikitty, she just have the character to be a soloist instead of a group singer.
In Berryz ---> none, the members in BK is just nicely made to be as 1 group, I don't think they should be separated.
In C-ute ---> Maimi, she has that look of a soloist, even if she don't sing she still have the look to be a CM idol or something like that.
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In MM ---> Mikitty, she just have the character to be a soloist
That's cause she is... >_> <_<
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That's cause she is... >_> <_<
Exactly. >_<
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That's cause she is... >_> <_<
so that's why I said she should go back as soloist instead of being in the group.
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risa should go solo this way many others will be able to hear her voice
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After hearing Risa speak Korean in the H!P Pro Talk w/ Kamei, i feel like she would be the next BoA and be doing some music outside of Japan. I mean that new Simmin girl could help w/ the PR overthere :D that would be totally awesome
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Koharu, isn't it obvious? :D
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Koharu, isn't it obvious? :D
NO!!!!!!!!!
:lol: Welcome back, Mark :lol:
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Takahashi IMO has the best voice, so if she went solo, I'd support her all the way. But the problem is that she is too shy to be on her own and promote stuff. Vocally, she's got it.
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The Possible!!! <3
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The Possible!!! <3
YES!!!
Also, H!P Kansai!! Those girls have such nice voices! Haha.
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mikitty, i think she has quite experience in solo. she did solo for a year before joined MM rite?
ai-chan, after heard furusato and yume kara samete i believe she'll has a bright future if go solo
koharu, koi kana sales over 35,000 (http://forum.jphip.com/showthread.php?t=2629&page=11)! never imagine that before... is she'll be the next maki?
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Risako, about 3 years from now. I think she can start a solo singing career then. She could also do well as an actress, or a model.
:D
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No one should leave, but if someone is set to leave then I guess I would choose Yossui or Sayumi. Besides, if someone is to go on solo and stay on as Morning Musume, Ai-chan would be best, since she did well in her movie OST. I prefer Ai-chan and Gakisan duo though.^o^
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Takahashi IMO has the best voice, so if she went solo, I'd support her all the way. But the problem is that she is too shy to be on her own and promote stuff. Vocally, she's got it.
Too bad she never learned piano or guitar at a young age. She could be like a singer/songwriter type. And coupled with her strong voice, she could break out of that quiet self. Very un-H!P like, but what if...
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Gaki-san!!
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Takahashi hands down.
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Everytime I listen to Miki's album I miss her... go solo again DIVA ;)
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After watching Ai-chan's solo performance of "Osaka koi no uta" (so many times), I gotta believe she's gonna be the one that goes solo next. I'd be excited to see a solo idol like her as opposed to just girls with type-A personalities like Yaguchi and Nacchi (not that i don't like them too...).
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Yea I feel Taki has been over due for her solo gig. Its like they been holding her back. I'm not a big fan of her personally, but its hard to deny her talents. She's been ready in my opinion, they should just get on with it and hurry up and replace her in MM.
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RIKA!!!!!
Honestly, if she were to go solo I don't think I'd be able to listen to her album for hours at a time. BUTT... and a very big one indeed. I'd be glued to her PV's 24/7.
Go rika! YAY!!!!!
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RISA NIIGAKI ALL THE WAY!!!!
she really has the most potential.. the only problem is tsunku not appreciating it..
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Everytime I listen to Miki's album I miss her... go solo again DIVA ;)
Yeah miki should go solo again!
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The likely candidates IMO are Miki, Risa, and Ai. Miki I think should just pursue GAM.. we need nice legs. Risa.. we could put her in a sub group as the leader of some Eggs group. But Ai, she could handle it on her own. She carries most of Momusu's songs now a days anyway. But the thing is, if Ai and Miki graduate, who will be Momusu's three? Risa and Eri?
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ai takahashi, even though i'm not a huge fan, would definately do well solo, as i think would reina tanaka, she's got a strong personality and voice to do as such. i think mika should come back from teh states and become a duo with hitomi, as both their voices are mature enough, i think they would be great!
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Everytime I listen to Miki's album I miss her... go solo again DIVA ;)
I feel the same way. There are some of her songs which are great. I think if she had a little more time for soloing she'd be one of the leading H!P singers.
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^ Let's keep praying... :)
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You can guess looking at my avatar and sig who's solo debut I'll crap my pants over most if it ever happens.
That said, I agree that Takahashi would kick all kinds of ass as a solo artist. Beautiful, adorable personality, terrific voice...plus, I gotta admit I wouldn't cover my eyes if they slutted her up like Gocchin.
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They're definitely stronger as a group, but u know it won't last forever since someone is always graduating and new members and such. Even though i love them all. i hate to admit that the two that would best survive in the music world as solo artist as or right now would be Ai Takahashi and Miki Fujimoto. although Koharu Kusumi is doing well i think. Miki had been a soloist before so she have the experience and such, so she'll be just fine i think. Ai have the talent and the looks but it would be hard for her in the beginning, she is just too sweet, she'll be gobbled up out there in the real world. Same goes for all of them. And i think that for those who doesn't seem to actually survive as a soloist should probably be placed in a duo/group(aka Viyuuden or W), i think it's better that way. It's a scary world. But as long as they supporters, i think they'll be fine. I think it's best for know that they try to experiment on solo projects or sub projects of that sort. u know like starred in a movie or jdorama(or anime), host a talk show, have a radio show, etc. u know the usual like most of them already do, especially the graduated members. The point is so that they can get more exposure and while still being a singer, able to do other stuff to show off their talent and just go from there. Anyway i hope them all the best!
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Risa!! =D. But I think Miki should go solo again..
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Takahashi FTW!! :heart: And I agree with harurun, Miki should *DEFINITELY* get another solo album^^
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I'd say Suzuki Airi, Natsuyaki Miyabi, Sugaya Risako, Yajima Maimi, or Umeda Erika. Especially Miyabi and Airi cause they have great vocals. :)
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Whoa... This was a big bump huh? XD
And dammit, this person's younger than me! I get no love do I? :farofflook:
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Out of current MM I'd like to see Reina go solo. Takahashi may be the best vocalist, but she lacks 'x-factor', whatever that is.. Reina is just more interesting in my eyes and her vocals are decent enough.
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Inaba Atsuko. She deserves much better than singing backup or being MC for the talent she has.