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The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: Linus on December 08, 2006, 12:05:05 AM
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Let's face Maiha's graduation was a big lost.
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Life goes on. Why can Berryz have graduations but no auditions? Their sales (http://wiki.theppn.org/Berryz_Koubou) are always almost around the same numbers, yet songs keep getting better. But not their sales or popularity. If it's not the songs, then it's the members. Why can'd they find a Maki Goto for Berryz? I'd like them to have auditions. This idea to keep the group as it was born is stupid! Even EXILE got new members!
Oh, Berryz has to step into a new phase: their consolidation. They can't lose the battle against AAA, who wants to get all teens money. And let's face Berryz has no fans, they have mowota-fans. Of course they can keep it forever, or they can try to expand it. Go back to release one single per month, for example! AAA released 8 this year! That's the way to be in top tv shows every week, in charts, in magazines, and people gets to know you more and more.
What might be the live at Saitama Super Arena for? Only one day, and in the biggest stadium they could get. They should give the tickets for free on schools so they can gather as much people as possible, young girls, and announce auditions! Berryz <3
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I personally think that Berryz is fine like they are. I think adding someone new to the group would, in a sense, be like adding someone new to Melon Kinenbi. Maiha was cute, but is the group much different now that she left (I DO like Maiha, but c'mon.. it's true, yes?)? She wasn't a front figure in the group like Megumi was. I think they just need to give them more stuff. Something like a song to an anime, and it's easily done, too, since they could maybe do a collaboration with Koharu or get the ending theme or something, but I really don't want to see them adding anyone to Berryz.
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Generations slowly killed Momusu. The Berryz don't need it, they're perfect as they are.
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no!
frankly, maiha was gone before i even noticed her.
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Maiha was just a personal claim of sadness :( The point is: We have seen to much groups dying to let Berryz go obscure as well. Good songs come one after another but success never arrives. Something is wrong. And as I said, it can keep on forever (20K per single can keep them alive for ten years or more) or they can try to repeat the history like they did once.
icarian, I'd say (and numbers are on my side) that generations kept MoMusu alive for ten years and God knows for how many more they will. Let's keep in mind that H!P forms idols, not singers and bands. Big labels can rely on the same singers for years... (or add like Orange Range and EXILE) but idols can't have the same appeal forever. Popularity has an expiration date (ask MKB/CM not being active) but adding members is always an appeal (MoMusu, Country w/Rika w/Konno & Miki) and it's a push all the time.
Collaborations, Purin? It's been tried already with ºC-ute singing Kirarin*Rev ending theme. Did that help their album? Not at all. (Watching +40 men on every C-ute event, it's not like I -if I was a father- would let my child buy and get interested in C-ute) I think it's mostly that the buyers already know Berryz and what do they have to offer, and this love translates into the same for years: 20K. Not bad at all. I insist, they can keep this way forever. But history has showed us that there was less wotas in 2005 than in 2004, and less in 2006 than in 2005. Don't think Berryz can't rely forever on guys that sooner or later will stop supporting for whatever reason. Maybe Kirarin feat BK would give the group a big push in terms of kid fans. Just an unlike happening thought.
I also like the current Berryz, of course I do, hell, more than MoMusu! But I don't want them to keep on the same level forever, with the same fans forever. They can't even sell albums to casual fans, which is the opposite to the whole Japanese music market, in which album sells surpass the single sales by miles. For all this I think they need a Maki Goto, some new outstanding member that can repeat MM story perfectly illustrated in Love Machine extended PV: "Hey, those girls got a new member!" and we all know how does it continues.
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I say: yes, but not now.
It's not only for Berryz' sake, it's for its members' sake: I'm pretty sure Sugaya, Tsugunaga or Natsuyaki don't plan to live in Berryz forever. Some day they'll fully grow up and will develop all the potential they have now, and will try to go further in their musical career. What will be for Berryz then?
There will be two options: or disband Berryz, or get new members. And, obviously, new members must be there before some one else leaves.
But, before starting auditions and such, first Berryz must be more than a band for a bunch of wotas: I think consolidation and promotion must go before any attempt to modify the line-up. They need more singles, more albums, more performances... more exposure. And then, we should start to talk about new members.
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I agree with icarianwings~ Berryz should stay as it is! One generation~ theirs~ is all they need :heart:
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Chinami needs more spotlight, is all. MOAR~! :lol:
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Generations slowly killed Momusu. The Berryz don't need it, they're perfect as they are.
icarianwings took the words right out of my mouth. One generation of Berryz is enough to conquer the world...
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i prefer them not to have auditions like mm does. berryz seem more similar to 'normal' pop groups because the same faces are still there. it's refreshing to see that in a H!P group. i do hope that they could stay as long as they can together. it would be interesting if the same members are still there when they've grown up. even if there is a new addition it should be just 1 or 2 person, not 7-8 generations..
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My question is how they'll give the lines to the person in the new gen. The current songs are Kumai/Tsugunaga/Natsuyaki/Sugaya while Chinami sings BG and Maasa and Saki usually get a line per song... You can't just take away lines...
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I became a Berryz fan after Maiha left, but since becoming a fan I have listened to pretty much all their old stuff, and seen all their old videos, and in doing so, I never really noticed Maiha. Her voice was nice but, she never really stood out (to me), and I personally think Berryz wern't damaged by her graduation. But of course like I said, I was never a big fan so, maybe a Maiha fan would think differently.
The sales could be better, but there is a good chance they will be soon. The thing I don't understand is people saying wota are keeping them going. But surely wota are just fans? Don't fans keep every group going? Aren't we all fans? Maybe just not as huge of fans as the wota.
Very few groups, and mainly girl groups, and especially child groups, don't last very long. Berryz still have a few years until I (personally) feel they would be ready to start solo careers, and even though it would be horrible to see them break up, I doubt we will never hear from them again.
Risako, Miyabi, Momoko and maybe Yurina could have a good solo career ahead of them. Chinami's voice is getting better and better, so I doubt she'll stop singing. Saki I'm not sure about, I think she's great though, and Maasa will more than likely grow even more beautiful, and maybe sell some PB's or something.
I don't really think they need generations, the current Berryz will always be Berryz, any new members will just look out of place. Plus they are all still pretty young, and are only improving. Better promotion will gain success, not new girls.
All in my opinion of course :)
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Never! This is something I fear a lot that will happen, and I don't think I'll ever be happy if they sink to that.
I don't think new generations would work well with Berryz. To me Berryz is like a set group like MK and shouldn't have anything new added to it. I doubt if they had new members the lines would be spilt up any different so it'd just be more 'girls in the back' which really doesn't help anything. I think they are a good size and a good set up with members. I don't see the need for them really becoming "Morning Musume 2" which is all I think it will look like if they got some new members. If current MM doesn't do that good anymore, what will MM2 end up doing...
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All Berryz are young. All of them have potential, and some of them have already discovered it. They only need more promotion, not generations. And if they have a Maki Goto 2, look at the sales of MM (http://wiki.theppn.org/Morning_Musume). Exploided when Love machine came in and decreased slowly. I don't want Berryz to end up already like this.
And about Maiha~ there are moments in the making-of's of the Berryz when the girl cries, and she's all alone while the others are having fun (I would have kicked camereman's ass). Nobody could feel comfortable that way, and I'm glad she realized that.
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HECK NO!
Adding new generations might have helped keeping MM alive, but it's also what makes MM a zombie group, too. I don't want that to happen to Berryz. I'd rather have them disband than be zombies.
Why the sales are bad? I think coz no one gives a damn about H!P anymore. They only know older acts and don't want to waste their time find out about new ones. No one knows wth is Berryz Koubou.
There's a big hance the 3tops might move on to other projects, like soloists, other units. But they don't need to graduate from Berryz. The company should've learnt that from MM.
Maiha's grad... I agree with Pudding. I love the girl but her grad's made the group stronger somehow.
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No :<
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Berryz don't need new generations cause they were supposed to join MM
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Berryz don't need new generations cause they were supposed to join MM
Again, heck no.
Berryz joining MM wouldn't help MM much (if at all), and it'd kill Berryz.
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Again, heck no.
Berryz joining MM wouldn't help MM much (if at all), and it'd kill Berryz.
Yup. That's something I totally agree.
Why the sales are bad? I think coz no one gives a damn about H!P anymore. They only know older acts and don't want to waste their time find out about new ones. No one knows wth is Berryz Koubou.
That's it. 100,000 people were in MM for Furusato and Maki changed that into 1,000,000! That's why maybe Berryz needs their gold girl. Not a lot of new generations but some miracle.
The sales could be better, but there is a good chance they will be soon. The thing I don't understand is people saying wota are keeping them going. But surely wota are just fans? Don't fans keep every group going? Aren't we all fans? Maybe just not as huge of fans as the wota.
That "soon" is something I have been reading for years, and something in what I had faith too, but it's been 2 albums, 2 mini albums, and 12 singles, and there's no improve because people already knows what do they have to offer to them. About the wota thing... you can appreciate it on album releases. Like I said, a casual fans waits for an album to be released and this is why album sales always > single sales. This does not happen with Berryz, showing their fanbase is closed at all. I even think they don't want to expand it. UFA is happy doing 20K for each single but like MoMusu sales went downhill because yes, even wotas lose interest, one of these days it might happen to Berryz, and by then, adding someone will be useless; but adding someone now might make people get interest in a future third album and give them the definitive push they need. Just what I think :p
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But Berryz singles sales are increasing and they are gaining popularity.
MF obviously liked their talk enough to ask them back and Berryz have their own wotas, beri-wota(just to claim they're not just using mo-wota)
Sure they're not selling huge amounts like MM do or used to, but they're going at their own pace and it seems to suit them fine.
Generations will ruin Berryz, that's something that gives berryz something MM has lost a lot of, GOOD relationships between members(just look at Maasa and Yurina at the sports fes).
And definately do NOT i repeat DO NOT put berryz(or c-ute) in MM, it will just crash and burn and confuse the general public
'wait wasn't that girl in that other group?' 'no she was always this one.' 'no im sure she wasn't'
^ that is what will happen -__-" As another reason MM are loosing popularity is no1 knows who they are anymore.
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That "soon" is something I have been reading for years, and something in what I had faith too, but it's been 2 albums, 2 mini albums, and 12 singles, and there's no improve because people already knows what do they have to offer to them. About the wota thing... you can appreciate it on album releases. Like I said, a casual fans waits for an album to be released and this is why album sales always > single sales. This does not happen with Berryz, showing their fanbase is closed at all. I even think they don't want to expand it. UFA is happy doing 20K for each single but like MoMusu sales went downhill because yes, even wotas lose interest, one of these days it might happen to Berryz, and by then, adding someone will be useless; but adding someone now might make people get interest in a future third album and give them the definitive push they need. Just what I think :p
Their sales don't seem to be dropping, so they could still "soon" have a big hit which really puts them on the map, and I don't think they need a new girl to do that. Solid sales are better than dropping sales.
Remember that Berryz only debuted in 2004, and the arrival of Maki was in 1999. The addition of a girl was successful then but remember 6th gen? As much as I love them, they did nothing for the sales or popularity of Musume. Times have changed.
I still believe "soon" they could make it big, simply because in a few years time, they would all be a little older, meaning they would all be even better at what they do than they are now. They soon may just have that song, like special generation.
Berryz have been around for 2 years, Morning Musume have been around for 10, and Berryz are having to cope with the reality of the internet, when back when Maki joined, people would buy the single out of intrest. With Berryz, people might download the single out of intrest, doesn't effect their sales.
Overall, I just think it's still too early to give up hope with Berryz.
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That's it. 100,000 people were in MM for Furusato and Maki changed that into 1,000,000! That's why maybe Berryz needs their gold girl. Not a lot of new generations but some miracle.
Your comparison to pre-Maki and post-Maki isn't really working any more. Hello! Project is outdated. You get looked down upon by non-fans who probably picture the stereotypical otaku in their heads every time they hear the word Morning Musume. I seriously doubt those non-fans are going to have a change of heart because of a so-called "miracle member" joining one of the H!P groups.
I'd say that the H!P fan base is reaching its limit.
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i personally wouldn;t mind if they add new members, as long as they keep releasing good music. I find it more interesting to see how an unit can cope with members leaving/joining. thus giving a performance more of a fresh appearance, instead of watching a song everytime being performed by the same members.
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No. I think if 2 or 3 more members them the will need more.
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Considering Berryz's fanbase is about 90% wota, I'd doubt adding members will have much of an impact on their popularity.
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Definitely NO.
Berryz strike me as a very tightly-knitt group, almost like Melon Kinenbi. Can you imagine MKB losing one member and replacing her with a new one? ;)
Talking about BK's popularity -- I've never looked at them as a MM's counterpart or rivals, rather as a product meant mainly for the wota-market. They'll never be as big as MM were in the past, but they've already achieved a LOT, maybe even more than people expected of them when they started.
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omg! reading this thread makes me sad DX
I hate changes and therefore don't like the thought of Berryz breaking up one day :ONgyaaah:
Personally I don't want a new member nor do I want that someone leaves them.
I'm fine with their sales and popularity as long as they can keep releasing music and concerts. I don't care if they release only a few singles etc. in a year, I even think it's good this way, because I am spending enough money already :ONsweat:
This way, they are able to release some good songs because Tsunku or whoever has enough time to make is sound good D:
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i dont think they need new members... they're fine the way it is now... i just think they need more promotions... and keep having more singles released... in order for more ppl to know about them...
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They do need a 13 years old blond Maki, yeah :p
I don't want them to turn into the Musume audition methods, one audition per year... but maybe after three years, one new member wouldn't hurt anyone.
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I really don't want more members for Berryz Kobo..If there would be more..they wouldn't be Berryz for me.
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And definately do NOT i repeat DO NOT put berryz(or c-ute) in MM, it will just crash and burn and confuse the general public
'wait wasn't that girl in that other group?' 'no she was always this one.' 'no im sure she wasn't'
^ that is what will happen -__-" As another reason MM are loosing popularity is no1 knows who they are anymore.
i 2nd that.. yup.. sometimes its quite confusing.. seeing aibon in w then in momusu then again in minimoni.. haha.. but that for the public.. it a big NO PROBLEM for the fans.. especially u..
Berryz strike me as a very tightly-knitt group, almost like Melon Kinenbi. Can you imagine MKB losing one member and replacing her with a new one? ;)
yay.. i agreed with u.. for now BK is a great group which din need any new member.. but if maiha still around, she's one of the reason for me to like BK a lot..
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They don't need anyone to join in, the way they are now are great!
They are just between 13-15s, they still have lots of ages to keep the group fresh!
Maiha's graduation doesn't change much in terms of me. I mean I wasn't really a big fan of Maiha and I don't notice her much when she was in BK. Also like some of our members said, since she wasn't the "front" of BK, her graduation doesn't really show much a change to BK.
Anyway NO ADDING MEMBERS to BK like MM does!
Don't kill the cuteness + fun of BK!
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put simply : not right now :p
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Their sales are getting better. Also the SSA tour made them stronger!
They don't really need to change the members~
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Berryz is perfect as they are IMO. ;D
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I hope they keep going like this
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I like how static Berryz has been, other than Maiha's graduation, anyway. I like how it's different from MM in that it isn't a constantly changing line-up. Right now, I'd say no. I really like the group as it is, but I wouldn't be 100% opposed to a new member, but instead of brand new auditions, I'd prefer if they took one (or however many) from the H!P Eggs for the group instead.
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I think right now they are fine as is. It's sort of nice to have a core group stay together. Changing them now would mean they are trying to do something out of desperation and I don't think they are at that point.
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Holding auditions to add new members should belong to MM exclusively. (so as not to kill the 'novelty')
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I agree. Berryz doesn't have to be the next MM by doing auditions and such, they're berry good already (excuse the pun) :D
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I've never been that interested in Berryz or °C-ute for that matter, which is why I think an audition would be a great idea. It may spark some interest from me if a new member catches my attention, I don't know why but most of the other H!P groups don't interest me that much. I've never really took the time to find much out about the memebrs as I'm not mad crazy about the music. Like I say though, if it adds a little more interest to the groups then I'd be all for an additional member.