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General => Akihabara => Topic started by: Kei on April 22, 2006, 05:23:48 PM

Title: Learn Japanese
Post by: Kei on April 22, 2006, 05:23:48 PM
Smartphone Apps:
  • Aoba Jisho (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobajisho) (Android)
  • IMI (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.naruhodo.imifree) (Android)
  • Aedict (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.baka.aedict) (Android)
  • Makimono (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.makimono.dictionary) (Android)
  • JED (http://www.umibouzu.com/jed) (Android)
  • http://www.jitouch.com/midori/ (http://www.jitouch.com/midori/) (iOS)
  • http://japaneseapp.com/ (http://japaneseapp.com/) (iOS)
  • http://imiwa.pierrephi.net/ (http://imiwa.pierrephi.net/) (iOS)

Dictionary & Related:
  • http://tangorin.com/ (http://tangorin.com/)
  • http://ejje.weblio.jp/ (http://ejje.weblio.jp/)
  • http://jisho.org/ (http://jisho.org/)
  • http://www.alc.co.jp/ (http://www.alc.co.jp/)
  • http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/ (http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/)
  • http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/ (http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/)
  • http://zokugo-dict.com/ (http://zokugo-dict.com/)
  • http://tatoeba.org/eng/ (http://tatoeba.org/eng/)
          Study Resources:
  • http://www.guidetojapanese.org/ (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/)
  • http://www.renshuu.org/ (http://www.renshuu.org/)
  • http://www.textfugu.com/ (http://www.textfugu.com/)
  • http://www.wanikani.com/ (http://www.wanikani.com/)
  • http://lang-8.com/ (http://lang-8.com/)
  • http://jgram.org/ (http://jgram.org/)
  • http://grammar.nihongoresources.com/doku.php (http://grammar.nihongoresources.com/doku.php)
  • http://thejapanesepage.com/ (http://thejapanesepage.com/)

Testing:
  • http://www.jlpt.jp/e/index.html (http://www.jlpt.jp/e/index.html)
  • http://www.aatj.org/jlpt/ (http://www.aatj.org/jlpt/)
  • http://www.jlptstudy.net/ (http://www.jlptstudy.net/)
  • http://jlpt.u-biq.org/ (http://jlpt.u-biq.org/)

Misc:
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language)
  • http://home.earthlink.net/~4jword/index3.htm#topl (http://home.earthlink.net/~4jword/index3.htm#topl)




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OK, so maliciel admitted that he's Japanese language challenged, and I offered to help him with the basics. But it's just easier posting a thread and helping others too so yeah. Enjoy. If you think I left out something important, feel free to PM me or post and say so and I'll add it in.

First off, hiragana.

あ, い, う, え, お - a, i, u, e, o
か, き, く, け, こ - ka, ki, ku, ke, ko
さ, し, す, せ, そ - sa, shi, su, se, so
た, ち, つ, て, と - ta, chi, tsu, te, to
な, に, ぬ, ね, の - na, ni, nu, ne, no
は, ひ, ふ, へ, ほ - ha, hi, fu, he, ho
ま, み, む, め, も - ma, mi, mu, me, mo
ら, り, る, れ, ろ - ra, ri, ru, re, ro
や, ゆ, よ - ya, yu, yo
わ, を wa, wo
ん - n

-- These next two bits won't be in the katakana section because it's just a matter of substitution--

が, ぎ, ぐ, げ, ご - ga, gi, gu, ge, go
ざ, じ, ず, ぜ, ぞ - za, ji, zu, ze, zo
だ, ぢ, づ, で, ど - da, ji, zu, de, do
ば, び, ぶ, べ, ぼ - ba, bi, bu, be, bo
ぱ, ぴ, ぷ, ぺ, ぴ - pa, pi, pu, pe, po

きゃ, きゅ, きょ - kya, kyu, kyo
ぎゃ, ぎゅ, ぎょ - gya, gyu, gyo
じゃ, じゅ, じょ - ja, ju, jo
ぢゃ, ぢゅ, ぢょ - ja, ju, jo (these are [b]rarely[/b] used)
にゃ, にゅ, にょ - nya, nyu, nyo
びゃびゅびょ - pya, pyu, pyo
ぴゃぴゅぴょ - pya, pyu, pyo
しゃ, しゅ, しょ - sha, shu, sho
みゃ, みゅ, みょ - mya, myu, myo
りゃ, りゅ, りょ - rya, ryu, ryo

Secondly, Katakana.

ア, イ, ウ, エ, オ - a, i, u, e, o
カ, キ, ク, ケ, コ - ka, ki, ku, ke, ko
サ, シ, ス, セ, ソ - sa, shi, su, se, so
タ, チ, ツ, テ, ト - ta, chi, tsu, te, to
ナ, ニ, ヌ, ネ, ノ - na, ni, nu, ne, no
ハ, ヒ, フ, ヘ, ホ - ha, hi, fu, he, ho
マ, ミ, ム, メ, モ - ma, mi, mu, me, mo
ラ, リ, ル, レ, ロ - ra, ri, ru, re, ro
ヤ, ユ, ヨ - ya, yu, yo
ワ, ヲ - wa, wo
ン - n

And finally, some basic kanji that pops up a lot in H!P song titles.
愛 - あい - ai.
恋 - こい - koi.
好き - すき - suki.
大好き - だいすき - daisuki.
恋愛 - れんあい - renai.
青春 - せいしゅん - seishun.
春 - はる - haru.
夏 - なつ - natsu.
秋 - あき - aki.
冬 - ふゆ - fuyu.
友達 - ともだち - tomodachi.
友情 - ゆうじょう - yuujou.
未来 - みらい - mirai.
桜 - さくら - sakura.
大人 - おとな - otona.
人 - ひと, じん, にん - hito, jin, nin.
抱きしめて - だきしめて - dakishimete.
空 - そら - sora.
男 - おとこ - otoko.
女 - おんな - onna.
女子 - じょし - joshi.
少女 - しょうじょ - shoujo.
少年 - しょうねん - shounen.
東京 - とうきょう - toukyou (Tokyo).
涙 - なみだ - namida.
子 - こ - ko.
歌 - うた - uta.
唄 - うた - uta.
物語 - ものがたり - monogatari.
色 - いろ - iro.
太陽 - たいよう - taiyou.
月 - つき - tsuki.
日 - ひ - hi.

...I'll add some more later. For how, learn.

EDIT 1 - Forgot something XD
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: ~Dan~ on April 22, 2006, 05:32:22 PM
There's also a thread I made here (http://forum.jphip.com/showthread.php?t=1857) with some handy hiragana & katakana charts that people can print out if they have a printer.  Handy to refer to.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Kei on April 22, 2006, 05:34:41 PM
Ah crap. If I'd known about that I would've never bothered. D:
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: ~Dan~ on April 22, 2006, 05:38:14 PM
Nah, if you're gonna give lessons and stuff and teach a bit of kanji then carry on.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: maliciel on April 22, 2006, 06:26:20 PM
o/

You da man.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: hide321 on April 22, 2006, 06:38:09 PM
The quicker you learn Japanese, the quicker you'll be to possible personal contact with Hello Project members.  Just sayin'...
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Kei on April 22, 2006, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: hide321
The quicker you learn Japanese, the quicker you'll be to possible personal contact with Hello Project members.  Just sayin'...


BAHAHAHAHAHA!

Keep dreamin', buddy! XD
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Dronak on April 23, 2006, 01:51:12 AM
A while ago, I found a game called Slime Forest at http://lrnj.com/ and thought it was useful for drilling katakana, hiragana, and kanji.  The game is free, but you have the option of registering it for extra benefits.  I don't remember what they are because I got enough use out of the game as-is.  The kana include four outdated kana that are no longer used.  I think people complained about it, but the author wasn't going to take them out.  I forget the exact reasons, but I think it was because it was only 4 more characters and knowing them could be useful someday.  As for kanji, they teach you meanings rather than readings.  An interesting point to the game is that if you sleep/save in the inn, it charges you by real life day.  The point of this is to keep you coming back regularly because it's the regular practice and drilling that helps you remember what you're learning.  I haven't played in a while, so I don't remember much of the kanji.  And frankly, since I get very little practice with Japanese, I'm not even 100% sure of my kana reading skills.  But this may be a useful game for people who want to get some practice with kana and the meanings of some kanji.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: aimaime on April 23, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
wow it's a language rpg. looks fun. thanks for the info. hopefully it would help my kanji...
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: StreakInTheSky on April 23, 2006, 12:21:26 PM
I played that game for a day and just lost interest :lol:
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Rnd on April 23, 2006, 06:04:17 PM
wew... still i didn't get it how to remember those hiragana n katakana...
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: aimaime on April 23, 2006, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: Rnd
wew... still i didn't get it how to remember those hiragana n katakana...


the ultimate kana challenge at http://www.fll.purdue.edu/ultimate/ is pretty useful to help you remember them.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Rnd on April 23, 2006, 09:11:49 PM
remember to play... how interesting... iihihi...

sankyu aimaime...
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Dronak on April 23, 2006, 10:41:37 PM
Hmm.  The Ultimate Kana Challenge is a completely different type of game.  You have to click the kana in order (a, i, u, e, o, . . .) while they're all moving around the screen.  This can be helpful, too, but I think I prefer the random drilling of the Slime Forest RPG.

Slime Forest can help with kanji, but it depends on what sort of practice you want.  As I said, it's only meanings, not readings, so you get things like "person" instead of "hito" for that kanji.  A nice thing is that they try to give you reminders that will help you associate the kanji's shape to its meaning.  I found that helpful, and I think a few of them have stuck with me even though I haven't played the game or practice with the kanji for quite some time.

FWIW, I've downloaded and tried a number of other games/programs for learning.  Some are more like kanji dictionaries for reference, but others are games like the couple mentioned here.  These are a few more game-like programs you can try if you like.

Knuckles in China Land (http://chinaland.cjb.net/) is another RPG
Kanji Trainer Penpen (http://www.coolest.com/penpen/) which the site calls Tetris-like in that things move and you can't stop them
Learn Kana (http://physics.uwyo.edu/~brent/jal/brejal.htm) is a flash card program
Dream Kana (http://www.dreambreed.com/software.html) is a similar flash card program, which I don't have, but found when looking for the Learn Kana web site
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: aimaime on April 23, 2006, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: Dronak

A nice thing is that they try to give you reminders that will help you associate the kanji's shape to its meaning.  


i think that's the best way to learn kanji as it makes you remember them longer and i think some japanese children are also taught that way (like imagining a man resting against a tree for "hito" or something like that). found primary school books and tv shows that also teach kanji this way but rarely do they have english translations. T_T

but the sites you listed are very good. thanks a lot.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Tanier on April 29, 2006, 07:12:28 AM
wow cool links when finals are over, i'll have to check these out, please thread don't die!
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on May 01, 2006, 01:36:48 AM
I've found http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/ to be useful when dealing with fair amounts of text in Japanese. It works out better than most online translators, too. It is a firefox extension though (http://www.mozilla.com/).
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Jeskko on May 02, 2006, 06:54:07 AM
Heyas,

I've found http://www.guidetojapanese.org/ (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/) pretty nice for learning some basic Japanese. It might be a bit hard if your hiragana/katakana skills are rusty, but take that as kana practice. :)

For learning hiragana and katakana, find some nice flashcards software, http://freshmeat.net/projects/kanatest/ (http://freshmeat.net/projects/kanatest/) is pretty good for unix-based operating systems. You could also try this simple web-based flashcards stuff I coded: http://turso.net/kana/ (http://turso.net/kana/).
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: vscarecrow on May 06, 2006, 12:20:09 PM
For learning how to write kanji: http://taka.sourceforge.net/current/
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: haryodwi on February 12, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
This forum is very good.

I am indonesian and now i am trying to learn japanese (Nihongo).
I am learning Minna no Nihongo series now. (this is very good book for non-Japanese learner).

If you'd like to get some files related to this material (books, audio files etc). Here is the link for PART 1 (There are 4 parts, 50 units)


http://rapidshare.de/files/36079179/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part01.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36097495/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36121504/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part03.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36127467/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part04.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36133306/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part05.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36138537/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part06.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36143377/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part07.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/36070718/Minna_no_nihongo_CD1.part08.rar

extract these files to a folder then mount the img file using daemon etc. ready to use!!!

If you would like to grab another parts i will give you later.

Thank You.

Hajimemashite
Doozo Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu

--

here is very good software : Atlas V12.
Translator English-Japanese, Japanese-English:)

http://rapidshare.de/files/34362349/AtlasV12.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362348/AtlasV12.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362344/AtlasV12.part1.rar

Enjoy!!!
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: chera on February 13, 2007, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: haryodwi;306872
here is very good software : Atlas V12.
Translator English-Japanese, Japanese-English:)


I tried downloading and installing Atlas.  It's a bit of a pain - you have to change your system locale to Japan and then reboot.  Here's some translation examples:

EXAMPLE 1: Summary of Aki Anzai's Sell Debut Risky Mosaic
Original:
絶頂オルガ姫・安西あきがエスワンからセルデビュー!玉までしっかり舐めるフェラテクを見せ、指マンされると大量潮吹き&絶頂し、チンポ挿入されて恍惚顔でイキまくる!とくに、連続で絶頂するガチンコFUCKは爆発度200%です。

Google translation:   
Peak [oruga] princess Anzai opening from s one cell debut! When you show [huerateku] which is licked securely to the ball, the finger man are done the [ru] where the mass tide blowing & the peak it does, [chinpo] is inserted and [iki] it sows with the 恍 惚 face! Especially, [gachinko] FUCK which the peak is done 200% is degree of explosion with continuation.

Atlas translation:
Cell debut of princess hight Olga and Anzai getting tired from Eswan.

A large amount of Shiof comes, ..& hight.. shlontz is inserted, and it rolls it up chicly by the ecstasy face showing Feratec that firmly licks even the gem.

Especially it is continuous and hight Gatinco FUCK explosion level 200%.

Neither of those makes any sense, but Atlas is a bit easier to understand.

EXAMPLE 2: Front page headline story summary from the Asahi Shimbun
Original:
北朝鮮の核問題をめぐる6者協議は、13日の全体会合で、北朝鮮が寧辺の核施設の稼働を停止するなどの「初期段階措置」を取る、その見返りに重油の提供を受けるとの合意を含む共同文書を採択した。( 17:58 )  [記事全文]

Google:
6 person conferences which are related to the North Korean nuclear problem with entire assembly of 13 days, take “the early gradual measure” such that North Korea stops the work of the Ning Pian nuclear facility, to the collateral offer of the heavy oil is received with adopted the joint note which includes agreement. ( 17: 58 ) [Article all sentence]

Atlas:
Six-party talks over the nuclear issue with North Korea took "Measures at the early stage" of the stop of North Korea of the operation of the nuclear establishment in Yongbyon etc. by a whole meeting on the 13th, and adopted a joint document including mutual agreement of receiving the offer of the crude petroleum in return. ( 17:58 ) Article full text

Both of them are much better, and the Atlas translation seems much more natural.

EXAMPLE 3: Opening lyrics to Aruiteru
Original:
歩いてる
その先の空へ
まだ見ぬ未来へ
胸に愛を抱いて

「遅い」なんて
決めつけなど
耳を貸さずに

いつの時代(とき)も
正義がある
瞳を閉じて

世界中の歌が
聞こえるような距離になるさ

歩いてる
一人じゃないから
みんながいるから
切に平和願って

歩いてる

Google:
Walking, to the sky ahead that of the [ru] holding love to in the future chest which you do not see yet, “it is slow”, how and so on to scold, every age (the time) justice, closing the pupil which is listened, it becomes the kind of distance where song in the world is audible walking, because there is no [ru] one person because everyone is, peace asking ardently, walking, the [ru]

Atlas:
It walks.

Love will be held to the previous sky in the chest in the future that has not been seen yet.

"It is slow" As assuming doesn't listen

The pupil with the justice is shut in the age (Nipponia nippon) when.

A song all over the world

It becomes a heard distance.

It walks.

Peace prays sincerely because there are all because it is not one person.

It walks.

Both suck badly.

In conclusion..... Atlas isn't dramatically better than Google Translation for J->E.  But it also does E->J, which Google doesn't do.  I think it's a good program to have in your hard drive, but only if you're willing to want to switch locale to Japan and reboot every time you want to use it.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: frblckstr1 on February 13, 2007, 12:14:48 PM
Yahoo's babelfish can do English to Japanese (warning never tested it :))

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: thatguy on February 13, 2007, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: chera;307500
But it also does E->J, which Google doesn't do.


sure it does. just select "English to Japanese BETA"...

machine translations for japanese are flawed in concept because in english, proper sentences (that is, for J->E translations) include a subject and verb, possibly an object as well, while in japanese grammar (the original J) they can be omitted based on context, leaving the translator guessing and arbitrarily filling in words. moreover, complex prepositions can be moved around fairly freely in japanese, so the anticipated word-order of english machine translations appear illogical. it also doesn't help that in japanese it's possible to make very long run-on sentences with the gerund (which really still make sense in japanese, but sounds like nonsense after machine-translation).
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: mode107 on February 13, 2007, 08:28:07 PM
is there a site that can translate english to japanese in romaji, or vice versa? that would be cool.
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Masabi on February 13, 2007, 08:34:38 PM
^ yes there is.  hang on let me get the link.

http://www.j-talk.com/nihongo/  paste the text in the box and click kanji to romaji
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Takumi 86 on February 14, 2007, 05:01:30 PM
Holy Moly
Thanks to Dronak for the link, very usefull man.
And to everyone in here who also share their link
I know Japanese language a bit but never really can't speak them fluently

This may come in handy guys. Believe me
and to Kei thanks for making this thread
Now i can start to learn japanese. Ofc when i had done finishing my assignment and other thing to do
Title: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: num2son on February 17, 2007, 04:34:25 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: JH6 on June 22, 2007, 05:20:32 PM
Minna_no_nihongo_CD1 rar files where password protected. I do not know if I did something wrong or that I missed something. But could someone give me the password or explain what I did wrong.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: slowness on July 03, 2007, 12:11:55 PM
http://www.learn-japanese.info/hiragana.html - great list with romanji

http://www.genkienglish.net/genkijapan/katakana.htm - with rollover sound

http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/self/self.html - basic flash cards

i used these 3 sites well just the first and last mostly but if you need to learn the sounds of it the 2nd one provides a good enough approach lol and getting a book would further help but i dont know if anyone is willing to spend that money unless really wanting to learn japanese.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: SomethingWild on November 17, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
Could someone reccomend me a Kanji book? Preferably one available here: http://www.nl.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/nl/-/EUR/BOL_ParametricSearch-Start?Section=BOOK_EN&N=0&Ntk=Media&Ntt=kanji&Ntx=mode%2bmatchallpartial&Nty=1&ShowNA=

edit: bought a good one already  :)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: xerony on December 23, 2007, 02:04:23 PM
A simple piece of software to learn all hiragana / katakana
]http://www.twitter.com/?d=A841WBTY] (http://www.twitter.com/?d=A841WBTY)

http://www.manythings.org/japanese/ (http://www.manythings.org/japanese/)
a site with many things to learn Japanese  :)
Japanese Language Proficiency Test Vocabulary Lists and lots of other things
   
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Sexykago on January 12, 2008, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: hide321
The quicker you learn Japanese, the quicker you'll be to possible personal contact with Hello Project members.  Just sayin'...

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

Keep dreamin', buddy! XD
Hey now, we all gotta have our dreams. ;)
If I'm not mistaken I heard Amoz got to meet h!p members one time. Don't they let people meet h!p members at the fanclub events?

I need to learn Japanese so I can actually communicate with my homestay family when I return.
I already know katakana and hiragana. Learned that years ago. But I still dunno kanji. Only probably 300 or so that I've learned. I gotta long way to go. :I
So I guess I'll be taking advantage of this thread then. Thanks for all the info, hopefully I'll get some more kanji down with you guys help. :]
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: BigDnm01 on February 25, 2008, 01:03:04 AM
Sorry, this probably is not the thread for this, but there's no "help with japanese to english translation" thread....

this has been bugging me,  what does "Tada, kimi wo aishiteru" mean? 
This is the japanese title to the movie, Heavenly Forest, great movie btw. 
I don't think that means what it means in english and...
to my limited japanese, i believe it to be:
Still, i love you
or
Even so, i love you.

would this be correct? 

Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: StreakInTheSky on February 26, 2008, 06:00:55 AM
well tada doesn't really have a direct english translated word but both would work and mean pretty much the same thing.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Guchi_Jnr on February 26, 2008, 06:12:46 AM
Does this help??
Quote
ただ【唯】
merely; simply; only; 《形式》 solely

句例
ただ…しさえすればよい only have [need] to do; need only do; all one has to do is (to) do; have only to do
ただの 〈わずか〉 mere; 《形式》 sole
ただ1人で (all) alone; by oneself
ただ1度 just [only, 《形式》 but] once
ただの1日でも even for a day
ただ…と思ったものですから Only I thought…
ただ…だけは別 except for…

文例
それには誤りがただの1つもない. There is not a single mistake in it.
彼が来ない日はただの1日もなかった. Never a day passed without his coming to see me.
彼女はただ泣くばかりだった. She did nothing but cry.
君は僕のただ1人の友人だ. You are the only friend (that) I have.
ただお聞きしてみただけです. I just wanted to know.
シャッターを開閉するためにはただこのボタンを押しさえすればよい. You have only to push these buttons to open or close the shutter.
君の話はみなもっともだ. ただ, ストの提案だけはねえ(賛成しかねる). Everything you say is reasonable except for your proposal for the walkout.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: BigDnm01 on March 02, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
^what are those?  and i'm sorry, but i can't read japanese/chinese characters, only romanji.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: StreakInTheSky on March 03, 2008, 10:19:28 PM
it's different meanings and usages of "tada"
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: monkey80 on April 09, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
here is my resource.

[SIZE="4"]WARNING IT MAY LEADS TO ADULT LANGUAGES.
Special thank to Mastress Alita, visit her forum at http://blgames.proboards25.com/index.cgi

the message below here are written by Mastress Alita except for the latest updates which is added by me.

I realized that I don't have these sites in my Links, but thought they would be interesting to share.

The first is "Anime Game Test Hooker". You can read about this tool in-depth on this thread of my board. This program lets you extract Japanese text from a game as you play it. You can set the program to automatically copy text to the clipboard, and then with Atlas Japanese Translation Software you can have it automatically translate text from the clipboard, getting instant translations for each dialogue screen. By all means not perfect, but still an extremely highly recommended tool to learn a bit more about the stories in games.

There is another Japanese text extractor, "Oh! Text Hooker", which can be found here. However, I recommend "Anime Games Text Hooker" because it is much more compatible with a wider range of games than "Oh! Text Hooker".

The second is JWPce, a free Japanese Word Processor, which can be found here. This program is the God of Kanji for me. Usually I will extract a Japanese script using Oh! Text Hooker, and then put it into this program and save it, or run it while I'm using Anime Game Text Hooker, copy Japanese sentences into it, and use it's powerful kanji look-up to help me understand lines that get botched up pretty bad from Atlas.

You can highlight a kanji and hit F6 to have it look up what the kanji is, or right-click any Japanese character and do "Get Info" to find out what it is (a "ka", a "te", ect.) Using this combined with AGTH+Atlas, I find it is a very handy tool. It is also great for simply saving Japanese text or doing Japanese word processing. Often Japanese text you are trying to use in another program that gets turned into jibberish will work if you copy it to JWPce first, and then copy it again and paste to that other program, as well.

And then there are online resources for Japanese. Here are some handy Japanese <--> English webpages that I use:

Excite Japanese <-->English Translator (http://"http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/") - Translates full websites or just blocks of input text from Japanese to English or English to Japanese. The Japanese translation software "Atlas" uses the same translation programming as Excite.

Google's Translator (http://"http://www.google.com/language_tools") - A new web translator from Google. It currently has Japanese <--> English Beta, and works pretty well.

Alta Vista's Babelfish Translator (http://"http://babelfish.altavista.com/") - Online translator for tons of languages, including Japanese <--> English.

POPjisyo.com (http://"http://www.popjisyo.com/WebHint/Portal_e.aspx") - A pop-up dictionary for Japanese, Chinese, and Korean. You enter a URL and it will highlight kanji on the page, and then when you mouse over one it will pop-up a dictionary entry. Very helpful with kanji.

Jeffrey's Japanese <--> English Dictionary Server (http://"http://dict.regex.info/cgi-bin/j-e/dict") - My favorite quick look-up online Japanese <--> English dictionary. Enter a Japanese word in romaji and it looks up the meaning.

Spencer's Japanese <--> English Online Dictionary (http://"http://spencer.blackmarket.net/default.asp") - An online dictionary that will show results written in Japanese as well as the English meanings. Helpful with kana and kanji.

The Kanji Site (http://"http://www.kanjisite.com/") - A dictionary that looks up words written in Japanese kana or kanji.

Basics of Japanese (http://"http://www.zyx.com/chrisc/japanese/japanese.html") - Shows the hiragana and katakana charts, and some kanji.

JLS Japanese Class Web Site (http://"http://www.jls.palo-alto.ca.us/electives/forlang/japanese/charts.html") - Just a simple page with a hiragana and katakana chart.

Japanese Language @ About.com (http://"http://japanese.about.com/") - A good site for actually learning some Japanese through online lessons and information regarding Japanese culture and the like.

Japanese Language Grammar Notes (http://"http://www.math.toronto.edu/jjchew/japanese/index.html") - Some Japanese grammar information, such as particles and verb conjugation.

Web Japanese (http://"http://webjapanese.com/index02.html") - A site with information on learning Japanese. Has kanji worksheets, a photo dictionary, reading practice, and games for practicing kana.

Japanese Slang and Other Powerful Expressions (http://"http://nafai.org/japanese/slang/") - Great site of slang words and phrases.

Bad Japanese Words (http://"http://www.intercom.net/user/logan1/jap.htm") - A site with the meanings of Japanese expletives. Face it, it is stuff like this that typically doesn't make it into a dictionary, and you still need to know what they mean.

Japanese Sex Slang (http://"http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html") - Very helpful if you commonly play adult Japanese games. *coughs*


Japanese Sound Effects and What they Mean (http://"http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html") - Awesome site for looking up sound effects.

Kansai-Ben Grammar and Kansai-Ben Word List (http://"http://www.nihongoresources.com/language/dialects/kansaiben.html") - In the southern part of Japan in the kansai region (such as Osaka), the people use a different Japanese dialect. This is a great page for Kansai-ben grammar and words in Kansai-ben, since they use many different words than traditional Japanese. It will show the word in Kansai-ben, the word in normal Japanese, and the meaning. This is a great resource, since online translators usually can't handle Kansai-ben well at all.

latest updates (more site for learning japanese).
http://www.ocn.ne.jp/translation/
This online translator is so good that you will never use babelfish ever again.

http://www.animelab.com
animelab's japanese tools is quite good.

http://www.jp41.com/kanji/ (http://www.jp41.com/kanji/) 
Enter English meaning or Japanese romaji spelling (e.g. water / mizu / sui).

http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/ (http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/)
Convert Kanji(漢字) and Websites to Romaji or Hiragana (with translation, too).
A resource for studying Japanese and kanji, & improving vocabulary.
With most nihongo, the translator has an accuracy rate of about 99.5%.[/SIZE]

now anyone can give me a complete hiragana, katakana or shift jis table in hex code.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: reyfer on April 09, 2008, 01:26:37 PM
Jim Breen's WWWJDIC Japanese Dictionary Server (Monash University Site) (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/%7Ejwb/wwwjdic.html)

A Japanese guide to Japanese grammar (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/index.html)
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This site explains Japanese grammar in a systematic step-by-step process and is released under the Creative Commons License. It was created as a resource for those who want to learn Japanese grammar in a rational, intuitive way that makes sense in Japanese. The explanations are focused on how to make sense of the grammar not from English but from a Japanese point of view.


JGram: The Japanese Grammar Database (http://www.jgram.org/)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: monkey80 on April 09, 2008, 06:19:47 PM
oooppps forget to update the list above. here is the latest.


the translation below by ocn
[Chie] yes!  I had the telephone call and had come yesterday. The word which I'd like to meet today with that

see ocn translation is better but you need to arrange or change some words to make it sound english but you must be good at english.

Well here is two more resource that I found.

http://rapidshare.com/files/84167589/learn-japanese.rar (http://rapidshare.com/files/84167589/learn-japanese.rar)
(well it teaches hiragana and some stuff that is good if you want to visit japan).

http://rapidshare.com/files/84169946/Your_name_in_kanji.rar (http://rapidshare.com/files/84169946/Your_name_in_kanji.rar)
it show kana and kanji for some names. now practice and write your own name.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: WingZero84 on May 23, 2009, 09:49:45 AM
  Arigato  :)
Title: Learning Japanese
Post by: whiteleppard on February 21, 2010, 06:11:12 PM
I just found these and thought they would help someone.  Different way to learn, but fun. 

(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq224/whiteleppard78/RapidJapanese1.jpg) (http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq224/whiteleppard78/RapidJapanese2.jpg)   

 Volume 1  http://www.twitter.com/?d=JBS29SE9 (http://www.twitter.com/?d=JBS29SE9)     

 Volume 2  http://www.twitter.com/?d=PHSXBO95 (http://www.twitter.com/?d=PHSXBO95)                                                                                                     


Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: whiteleppard on February 21, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
I have all kinds of software, books, and audio for learning Japanese.  If anyone needs anything, request it here, and I will upload it to you.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: kuro_808 on February 21, 2010, 09:26:49 PM
i'll go try it, seems to be something interesting, then again I took formal lessons a while ago so I know some and hopefully it works to my own vocabulary
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: whiteleppard on February 22, 2010, 01:04:18 AM
I found this one very interesting.  It's basic stuff really, but I had to start somewhere.  I am still trying Pimsleur, but with mixed feelings.  Rosetta Stone just didn't do it for me.  I think you need alittle bit of experience before trying that.  If I could find a good teacher, that would be the way to go.  I just love the language, and thought I could teach myself.  These tools do help alittle, but patience and a good memory are a must.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: whiteleppard on February 22, 2010, 05:17:42 AM
Here's another interesting one.

Drive Time Japanese

(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq224/whiteleppard78/Drive.jpg)

Disk 1 http://www.twitter.com/?d=V26O6MON (http://www.twitter.com/?d=V26O6MON)

Disk 2 http://www.twitter.com/?d=SQNXBSBP (http://www.twitter.com/?d=SQNXBSBP)

Disk 3 http://www.twitter.com/?d=VPP39EVD (http://www.twitter.com/?d=VPP39EVD)

Disk 4 http://www.twitter.com/?d=YRLM69ME (http://www.twitter.com/?d=YRLM69ME)
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: maliciel on February 22, 2010, 01:34:29 PM
Nothing can replace hours of kanji grind, really.

Rosetta Stone et al don't really help with a language like Japanese.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: whiteleppard on February 23, 2010, 01:08:33 AM
Very cool.  I want to learn to read and write Japanese.  There is so much stuff here, it looks possible.  First, I want to be able to speak fluently, then tackle the writing.  This looks like a great thread to come back to.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: dunderkarlsson on March 03, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
Very cool.  I want to learn to read and write Japanese.  There is so much stuff here, it looks possible.  First, I want to be able to speak fluently, then tackle the writing.  This looks like a great thread to come back to.
Indeed it does. Thanks to all who have contributed in this thread, it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: novemberbug on May 16, 2010, 07:09:10 AM
Rosetta stone might help, especially to kick the start off.
But there is no EASY way to learn a foreign language.
If there is for Japanese, that's anime.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: Takuya7 on May 22, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
is this a movie or an audio?
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: adventwriter on May 22, 2010, 06:02:51 PM
I'm in the process of teaching myself - wish I had the option of having a teacher

I've got language software, the Japanese coach DS game, all the music and videos I have, and various other things to try to immerse myself while here. I intend to go to Japan in the near future - ....so I hope I will learn there.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: grenadier on June 19, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
I usually use this website

Japanese dictionary
http://jisho.org/ (http://jisho.org/)
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: grenadier on June 19, 2010, 05:37:07 PM
is this a movie or an audio?

if you want some video, i think you can search at veoh.com about learning japanese
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: twissie on June 25, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
ProVoc (http://www.arizona-software.ch/provoc/) is a great program to use for memorising words/kanji! It helped me a lot through my studies. You can make your own word lists, or there are downloadable ones. It's probably better to make your own, though. The program has a quiz feature! .... it's only available for Mac, though XD


So does anyone keep japanese blogs or something to try and get some practice in? I've studied Japanese for three years at university level. I passed the JLPT Level 3 with flying colours, but my writing/speaking skills are absolutely horrendous xD; I'm able to read and understand pretty well, but I really truly suck at making up my own sentences. I guess it's mostly lack of confidence, since I obviously know the grammar... but yeah. I need practice @_@

I'm going to Japan in the end of July, and will be gone through all of August \0/, so because of this I'm currently revising three years worth of Japanese studies :lol: ... or trying to anyway. I created an ameba blog (http://ameblo.jp/twiss/) (ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT xD) where I'll try to write short simple updates to get to use my Japanese some before I leave. Would be awesome to connect to other Japanese learners so that we could comment on each other and uhm.. discuss difficulties we're having? Haha ^^;
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: Ayabie on June 25, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
http://ameblo.jp/takalicious/ (http://ameblo.jp/takalicious/)

It's supposed to be my secret blog for translations and stuff, but I haven't done anything in a good while because most interviews are crap. :lol: I'll drop you a comment later, twissie.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: kei_86 on July 03, 2010, 11:51:18 AM
I used to come here for my japanese kanji drills http://japaneseclass.jp/ (http://japaneseclass.jp/)

its pretty fun to do plus I'm a sucker for anything with EXP points. I was power leveling like nuts then got burned out XD. Overall its a really good site to start your kanji drilling
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: U.S.S. John E. Badass on July 09, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
If all the cool kids were jumping off a bridge, I'd start a blog too: http://ameblo.jp/miracle-u (http://ameblo.jp/miracle-u). I don't know what I intend to post there (probably string or nothing), but if I comment I'm not just a random dude.
Title: Re: Learning Japanese
Post by: twissie on July 21, 2010, 11:57:31 PM
Oh hey, anyone have any recommendations when it comes to electronic dictionaries? I have a very simple Casio Ex-word. It's good for looking up Japanese words I don't know, but not very good for looking up English words and getting suggestions for Japanese translations.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2223134744_e31a1e6173.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/twissie/2223134744/)

I've been using my DS with the lovely 漢字そのまま楽引辞典 (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/arjj/) for looking up kanji I don't know (when reading printed stuff, online I use Rikai (http://www.rikai.com/perl/Home.pl)), but I'd love to get an electronic dictionary with integrated touch pad for looking up kanji @_@;/
Any and all recommendations welcome. I know there's a jungle of electronic dictionaries available, and I'm kind of scared of getting into all that again. I was so overwhelmed the last time I went 電子辞書shopping! xD;;;
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on September 30, 2010, 01:23:20 AM
Am I the only one that likes Anki? (http://ichi2.net/anki/)

also loev zkanji (http://zkanji.sourceforge.net/)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: brad12 on October 26, 2010, 08:46:28 AM
I don't know more about Anki  but I think Anki is a program which makes remembering things easy. Because it is a lot more efficient than traditional study methods, you can either greatly decrease your time spent studying, or greatly increase the amount you learn.

Learn Japanese Free (http://www.learnjapanesefree.com/) | Hiragana (http://www.learnjapanesefree.com/japanese-hiragana.html) | Katakana (http://www.learnjapanesefree.com/katakana.html)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on December 13, 2010, 01:44:52 AM
Denshi Jisho is a pretty interesting site. (http://jisho.org/)

This is particularly useful: http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/ (http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: biheart on June 14, 2011, 03:40:05 PM
^ I agree, I often use jisho's radicals as a way to look up unknown kanj faster.
I also love the setence "function" because it shows you how words are used in context
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: nachdenki on June 19, 2011, 01:36:33 AM
The Meguro Language Center has some nice stuff that is free
http://www.mlcjapanese.co.jp/Download.htm (http://www.mlcjapanese.co.jp/Download.htm)

For Kanji http://www.dartmouth.edu/~kanji/ (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~kanji/) might be interesting (requires quicktime ), they have video clips that show you the stroke order.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: muppet on June 19, 2011, 05:41:13 AM
The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary ...Editor in Chief Jack Halpern. It has been invaluable for intermediate level studies.                                                http://www.kanji.org/kanji/dictionaries/learners/learners.htm (http://www.kanji.org/kanji/dictionaries/learners/learners.htm)
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Deaglezero on June 24, 2011, 01:13:51 PM
Denshi Jisho is good for online reference.

But I use Tagaini Jisho.

It's a free Japanese dictionary software for kanji, and has a lot of characters plus english meanings and alternate readings.

Also has strokes demonstration feature and handy hiragana/katakana reference sidebar.

AND you can match characters that have similar components etc.

Really good stuff. Google it, trust me.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: paraspam on October 27, 2011, 05:19:55 AM
For kanji, I suggest having a look at http://kanjidamage.com/ (http://kanjidamage.com/)

It's what I'm using.
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on December 05, 2011, 03:48:13 PM
So how many of you guys took the JLPT yesterday? What level? How did you handle it?

N5 @ Philadelphia here. Shoulda taken the N4 :kickass:
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: maliciel on December 05, 2011, 04:05:47 PM
N4. everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: jafeijai on December 05, 2011, 06:36:23 PM
N4 @ Toronto \o/

Definitely should've taken at least N3 :nervous That listening section was just...SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Especially after watching so much stuff on a consistent basis..
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: paijokece on November 11, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
i wanna learn so i can understand japanese porn lol   :nervous
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on December 04, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
That listening section was just...SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

The listening still blows. Anyway, just bombed the N3 this past weekend. N4 would have been a cakewalk, so I tried to punch above my weight. Oh well..
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on August 23, 2013, 03:36:31 PM
It's just about time to register for the December JLPT. Who is gonna take it? What level? I'm fixing to take the N3 again, after my almost-pass last year. I figure I'll be ready this time :japan:
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: muppet on August 23, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
^ based on what you mentioned Amp san, I hope to take N4,
but I am not good at test taking, so am not sure how I will do.... :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Basic Japanese (hiragana, katakana, etc)
Post by: Amplifier on August 23, 2013, 04:14:36 PM
N5 was a breeze, after a few months of study. I don't think N4 can be much worse. Everything is multiple choice too, so it makes it a bit easier to guess sometimes.

Edit: The first post wasn't updated in years and years, so I added a list of useful resources. I also changed the title, to better reflect the thread.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on August 23, 2013, 05:21:29 PM
Let's double post!

Have you Android users checked out IMI? It's a decent dictionary app. Given that virtually all dictionaries use edict/JMdict, the presentation is the primary difference between them all. My biggest gripe with the apps is the poorly done UIs, but I think IMI is  the best in this regard (after my app, of course). Check it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.naruhodo.imifree (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.naruhodo.imifree)

I'm still working on my own dictionary app, but it's not quite ready for release yet. There's a few little bugs here and there, and I need to finish up some menus. If I stop being lazy, I could finish it by next weekend. Check it out here: http://forum.jphip.com/index.php?topic=25288.msg1202557#msg1202557 (http://forum.jphip.com/index.php?topic=25288.msg1202557#msg1202557)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on September 13, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
So did anyone sign up for the JLPT yet? I'm still debating it, because I might be mad busy in December.

Class this semester is alright, if slow. I'm starting to dislike the classroom format, though. Feels like the time could be better spent. Let's go to japan!! :cokecat:

Yall in class this semester? What level, what textbooks, what projects due?
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: muppet on September 14, 2013, 02:26:20 PM
I signed up for N5, was worried N4 might be too much.  :nervous
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: capsulefan on October 04, 2013, 11:49:52 PM
Having some fun studying today and just posted a brand new Learn Japanese meme:

Learn Japanese Meme #1: Jaiantopanda (http://broodofclowns.com/news-learn-japanese-meme-1-jaiantopanda)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on October 29, 2013, 04:16:28 PM
Still not digging class this semester. We roleplay way too much. Hard for me to make up conversations in English, let alone Japanese.

In other news, I should be studying abroad next semester. LET'S GO :japan:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on December 21, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
Leaving for Japan in 2 weeks~

In other news, I updated my dictionary app: http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobajisho (http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobajisho). I'm adding some new features now. Please check it out, and leave feedback!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on December 30, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
Not to spam in here, but I updated my app again. This time I added example sentences. There's a preview on the store page (http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobajisho). I actually realized there's a rather small error with it, that I need to fix, but it's largely cosmetic anyway. Please check it out, and submit that juicy feedback~

In other news, I peace out to Japan in a week :japan:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on February 02, 2014, 11:17:39 AM
Fuck yes I love Japan.

Class starts tomorrow. Tested into Japanese level 5 of 7 at my uni. Let's do THIS YEEEEAH :cokecat:

But seriously, study hard and come here.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on February 04, 2014, 01:31:58 AM
Had my first two Japanese classes yesterday. What the shit did I get myself into. Better to be in a harder class, than one that's too easy, I suppose.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: mashimaro on March 22, 2014, 01:33:13 AM
I just installed an app on my phone called Human Japanese. I am trying my best to learn from it!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on April 15, 2014, 07:10:58 AM
10 weeks later: Yep, still getting grilled by Japanese class. At least I get huge amounts of speaking practice.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: twissie on April 16, 2014, 01:51:24 AM
^
Any tips on how to practice conversation skills or how to muster the courage to jump into conversations? :lol: I am badly out of practice with my Japanese, I still read and listen to a fair bit of Japanese to keep up with it, but I need to expand my vocab and kanji skills orz

Expanding vocab is really difficult when you don't have any vocab lists or tests to cram for D: I have started just jotting down every word I have to look up while reading, but this makes the reading experience painfully slow and it feels more like work than a hobby/reading for fun T____T; I tend to remember the words afterward, but I completely forget what it was I was reading 8Db
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: jafeijai on April 16, 2014, 04:56:42 AM
^ Don't know about you, but over here (Toronto), we have weekly language exchange sessions where people are seated in small groups of 4-5 with half Japanese speakers, half English speakers, and about 1.5 hours time is spent just talking in English; another 1.5 hours is spent talking in Japanese about anything the table wants to talk about.

I think the key thing is to find Japanese people and just talk to them. Chances are, they're willing to practice English, so you can help with that while they help you practice Japanese.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on May 21, 2014, 09:19:48 AM
Just finished my exams for Japanese. Both went better than anticipated, even though they were both cumulative. I was overwhelmed by the workload here at first, but now I appreciate the pacing. And being able to speak Japanese 50% of the day has been a huge boost too. I wish I could continue classes here another semester, but I had a good base to prepare for the JLPT (N1 I hope!) this December.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: twissie on May 27, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
I think I've whined about it here before, but I've taken up my self-studies again and I keep getting stuck on the same grammar point. What the shit is the deal with causative and causative-passive verb forms/sentence patterns? I guess I'm having issues understanding why you need a whole separate verb form to describe having someone force or let you do something. I rarely talk in terms of being forced/let to do anything, so I'm struggling because I feel like it's something I wouldn't use at all. Maybe it's a Norwegian thing, I don't know. Of course watching Japanese films and tv shows, I hear these sentence patterns all the time, so I obviously do realise that it's a very important grammar point that I need to be able to master, but man. It's just not sticking.

The most precise description and explanation I've seen for the two forms/patterns have been the following:
B: Aさん、してください = 1. Aがする 2. BがAにさせる 3. AがBにさせられる

I then did some listening exercises to see if I'd gotten the hang of it, and it went okay, but I struggled with the following example. Maybe some of you could help me break this apart and clarify what's going on in these two sentences?

Script:
男:顔色が悪いですよ。どうしたんですか。
女:ええ、ちょっと具合が悪いんです。明日、午前中に病院へ行ってきてもよろしいですか。
男:ええ、かまいませんよ。

Question:
Pick the correct sentence based on the conversation (script):
1. 女の人は明日男の人を病院に行かせてあげます。
2. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行かせてもらいます。
3. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行ってもらいます。

My guess was 3, "she had him take her to the hospital", but the answer key tells me that the correct answer is 2. I can not really wrap my head around the construction of causative + てもらう. "She had him make her go to the hospital"...? Is that what it says? So clunky D: I'd appreciate it if someone could dumb this down for me, I really want to understand this.
Title: Re: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Estrea on May 27, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Script:
男:顔色が悪いですよ。どうしたんですか。
女:ええ、ちょっと具合が悪いんです。明日、午前中に病院へ行ってきてもよろしいですか。
男:ええ、かまいませんよ。

Question:
Pick the correct sentence based on the conversation (script):
1. 女の人は明日男の人を病院に行かせてあげます。
2. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行かせてもらいます。
3. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行ってもらいます。

My guess was 3, "she had him take her to the hospital", but the answer key tells me that the correct answer is 2. I can not really wrap my head around the construction of causative + てもらう. "She had him make her go to the hospital"...? Is that what it says? So clunky D: I'd appreciate it if someone could dumb this down for me, I really want to understand this.

I'll try to explain it as I understand it as best as I can ^^;

 
1. 女の人は明日男の人を病院に行かせてあげます
She allows him to go to the hospital. In this case the あげます signifies her giving him something and  行かせて means to let him go.

2. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行かせてもらいます
She got permission from him to go to the hospital. The もらいます signifies that she is receiving something from him, in this case permission to head to the hospital.
 
3. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行ってもらいます
This one is just wrong because 行って makes no sense in the context of this sentence. If it had been 連れていってもらいます it would have made sense since in that case it would mean she had him take her to the hospital.

I hope that makes sense?

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Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: twissie on May 28, 2014, 12:59:00 AM
3. 女の人は明日男の人に病院に行ってもらいます
This one is just wrong because 行って makes no sense in the context of this sentence. If it had been 連れていってもらいます it would have made sense since in that case it would mean she had him take her to the hospital.

Thanks for pointing this out, I agree that "行ってもらいます" doesn't make any sense, but it made sense to my Norwegian brain during the listening exercise. I am afraid I still have no idea what to make of causative + てもらう, though ^^;

All my textbooks always focus on causative meaning that someone makes someone do something else, they will briefly mention that it also means to let someone do something, but this is (for whatever reason) rarely used in examples (or the translations remain ambiguous).

てもらう is also always explained as being used to say that we get, persuade, or arrange for, someone to do something for us. We "receive" somebody's favour (that we have asked them to do for us). So.. basically, I feel like in this exercise, the てもらう part should be enough to describe that she got him to take her to the hospital (though 行く is obviously the wrong verb), I don't understand why you need the causative as well?
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Estrea on May 28, 2014, 08:21:33 AM
^Hmm how to explain. Well, in the first place, the convo went:

Man:You don't look so good. Is something wrong?
Woman:Yes, I don't feel so well. Can I head to the hospital in the morning tomorrow?
Man:Yes, I don't mind.

That's how I would have translated it. She wanted to go to the hospital and was basically asking his permission (assuming the setting is at an office and he is her superior). To break up the component parts of the sentence would kind of go like this:

行く = to go
てもらう = to receive (permission, in this case)

The causative 行かす changes the verb "to go" to "to allow her to go", which works with the もらう to form the full phrase "received permission to allow her to go". It only makes sense in context of the script because she was asking permission to go to the hospital, and he gave her that permission, allowing her to go, so to speak. It's a bit convoluted but that's how the language works? I know I trip over causatives all the time too so this is usually an issue for me as well =_= Context is everything in Japanese though, so I guess either "being made to do something" or "being allowed to do something" is really context-dependent. orz
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: twissie on May 28, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
^
Well shiiiiit. I posted my last post before going to bed last night, and while brushing my teeth I started thinking "I think I messed that up, because she's actually asking to go, isn't she? I~'ll look at it in the morning" .....

so yeah.

Your initial explanation makes perfect sense now that I realise what the actual problem was. Jeez. I'm not sure why I desperately wanted the guy to have to take her anywhere. I blame all the other scripts in this exercise XD

Anyway, thanks! I understand why 行かせてもらいます makes sense now, but again, I feel it's something I would never ever say myself @_@;
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on June 09, 2014, 07:21:33 PM
Everyday studying that kanji and shit. I've been using the 日本語総まとめ series, and it's pretty swell.

Anyway, is anyone else going to the Career Forum events in Boston / LA? I'm planning to go to Boston this year. http://www.careerforum.net/?lang=E (http://www.careerforum.net/?lang=E)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on August 06, 2014, 12:34:42 AM
Kanji everyday.

Textbooks and dictionaries are starting to driving me insane, with their lazy information regarding meaning and usage of words. Like, holy shit 日本語総まとめ, can you fucking tell me if a word can also take する? Sweet merciful baby jesus. Dictionaries using edict information aren't much better, with their nebulous and outright useless meanings.

December JLPT registration is almost here. N2 anyone?
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on November 30, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
JLPT in a week. Anyone else taking it? N2 here, feeling good about it.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on January 12, 2015, 10:49:59 PM
1. get urself:
"a Kodansha Dictionary - a dictionary of japanese particles" by Sue A. Kawashima
published by Kodansha

2. make a textfile with the japanese reading of your fave H!P tracks & translate it

3. every particle in that lyrics text u fall over > write that particle at the bottom of the text file and copy the rules for the particle from that book.

4. learn words, kanji and the correct (and complicated^^) use of the particles by repeating .....always watch the particles rules!

i have bout 100 books about learning japanese, and THIS is on of the most valuable ones! buying strongly recommended!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on January 28, 2015, 06:34:58 PM
^
here, this is the book i was talking about.
recieved some good reviews.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1681945.A_Dictionary_of_Japanese_Particles (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1681945.A_Dictionary_of_Japanese_Particles)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on February 06, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
Released a new version of my Android app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobaapp (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobaapp) :cokecat:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on February 23, 2015, 12:29:17 PM
looks fantastic!
how does OCR work? i mean did you use an open source program wich you integrated in your app?
to write this all by oneself, i bet it's very complex and difficult...
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: vlinorman on February 23, 2015, 07:25:28 PM
I'm very bad at writing kanji.

Then again I've seen some native Japanese handwriting barely better than mine  :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on February 28, 2015, 08:22:33 PM
^
how long did you study? keep in mind japanese children don't enter school as analphabets, and still they have 10 or 11 years to learn 2000-3000 kanjis.
perseverance
perseverance
perseverance

Edit
there are many tasks in life, wich are hard to accomplish, but like learning Japanese it is hard for everyone.
the main difference between ppl who accomplished the task and speak japanese, and those who don't is that the first kept going, while the latter did not!

Japanese is really not easy...

But KEEP GOING! you can do it!  :thumbup
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on March 06, 2015, 03:38:51 PM
estranger: The app uses the library called tess-two for the OCR function.

Speaking of kanji, I added handwriting recognition last week, which also uses the OCR function. Test your skills against the computer :deco:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on March 08, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
@ Amplifier:
yay, dude! sounds really cool. i was just wondering about that OCR, nowadays even toys have it, but i thought it must be a very comlex thing for sure...

thanks for telling me! i always wanna know shit^^

keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: etranger01 on August 05, 2015, 09:58:36 PM
Japanes Language Proficency Test.

Offical page.

Check out the DL section!

https://jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample12.html

Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: yenluu on October 17, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this game on your phone: http://japanesevideocast.com/learn-kanji-corporation-gameguide
I use some of games but I think it's more suit to me than others, how about you if you have used it? And, do you have any free learning pages that suggest me?
I am a beginner so I need many help :) :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: yenluu on January 01, 2016, 07:45:57 AM
Hi guys, I am learning Japanese and I choose to learn Kanji. Is it a good choice? And where should I start? I searched for some app and online website but I am confusing now to choose the best one!
Thanks for any advice!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on February 03, 2016, 05:15:45 PM
Hey guys.

Now that Google allows developers to give away promotion codes for paid apps, I have some handy for you HiPsters.

Please visit this link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mr1j-p1PknWL0rHm3K6Kvy3P5EVYoMwhvszvt9CZ3gU/edit#) to get a code for my Japanese - English dictionary app, Aoba (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ja.bito.aobaapp).

Please only take one key, and be sure to edit the "taken" column to indicate that the key is spoken for. Enjoy! Btw, feedback and reviews are nice!

 :jphip:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on October 12, 2016, 03:34:17 PM
Anyone taking the JLPT this December? I'm playing it safe and taking N2, and figure I'll try N1 next summer.

I've also been working on a iOS version of my dictionary app, but I have no idea when I'll finish it :thumbup
Title: Re: Learn Japanese
Post by: Amplifier on December 26, 2016, 07:11:28 PM
Whelp, I missed the JLPT because I was super sick. Four hours on the train would've been the end of me.

Anyway, I've been hard at work on a shiny dictionary website: https://aobajisho.org/

Mobile friendly, fast loading, requires Javascript! :deco: