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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2012, 12:33:39 PM »
For me, both translation are the same. She spoke for other members who got bad treatment from handshake event attendees. She asked politely for fans' cooperation to correct it.

She also apologized about this post in a day later, saying she should not say these since it should be the duty of management staff. (But Yuasa (SKE's manager) seems don't say anything about this incident, maybe since it's already addressed) 


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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2012, 12:50:42 PM »
The 2nd translation catches the self-conceit part that the first doesn't. Do you have the original for the post before?

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2012, 01:06:27 PM »
Did some back tracking.... This should be the precedent post, seeing as how it got more than 2000 +'s.

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気持ちは伝えるもの

押し付けちゃダメだって思うんです。

お互いを思いやるのがコミニケーションのマナーって考えは間違ってますか...?

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Yeah, it's definitely the first one. She actually quoted/shared that entry in her second post. I guess a lot of people had asked her about it, so I think the second entry was meant as an explanation.

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 02:39:46 PM »
I hope all these (needless) hoo-ha won't result in Rena getting shoved to the back & getting less duties

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2012, 09:51:52 AM »
It seems the discussion has died down, thanks for participating! :lol:

There's been some new drama, detailed here: http://forum.nihongogo.com/topic/13620-rumor-nmb48-hotelgate/

Summed up, it's an extension of the old hotel scandal a few months back, except this time it looks really bad, with the man involved being known, and G+ being utilized by both sides. Generally overseas fan reaction has been one of disgust (omg this guy is scum, they're kids etc), but none seem to realize that the girls are just as guilty for enabling it..

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 10:57:44 AM »
Well I, for one, enjoyed the discussion very much.  :thumbsup I think it's too quiet here sometimes so discussions like this are great. That's just my opinion, anyway.  :D

Been following NMB's drama for a few days now. God, it's messy. Lol! While I have seen that most of the hate is towards the ikemen wotas themselves, I've seen a few overseas fans wishing for some blood to be spilled as well. It's interesting, though. Overseas fans seem more lenient and forgiving than their Japanese counterparts. I guess it's because they don't have the same accessibility to their idols as the local fans do, and so the idols become a bit more precious for them? I don't know if that's the right term to use. I mean, I think their mindset would be something more like, it'll be already lucky for them to meet even an obscure member in their lifetime, and so they're less prone to calling for anyone's blood that way.

I'm not even making sense, am I?  :lol:

EDIT: While we're on the topic of scandals, I distinctly remember reading somewhere about an Airin/Rena one? It was right before the NMB scandal exploded. A tumblr user briefly mentioned how it was on the 2ch, but it was quickly dismissed. Something about a possible ex-boyfriend who used the connection to meet Rena? I dunno. Fans sure are scary.

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2012, 02:58:51 PM »

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 06:18:58 PM »
Personally, I think the official explanation that Runa was talking about her cousin's mother makes a lot more sense than 2ch's conspiracy theories.

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2012, 08:32:20 PM »
but none seem to realize that the girls are just as guilty for enabling it..

My take on this is that yes, perhaps the first encounter was a mistake on the girls' part, but after that first mistake the Kaito crew have dirt on them that they can use as leverage. If the girls don't do as they say, bam, we get another Nacchan/Yone incident.(Where especially for Yone it's speculated the boyfriend posted the pictures while she was en route to Singapore as revenge for breaking up. For all we know, Yone could have broken up because she decided to put career first.) For the same reason, even if the girls went to management to fix the problem, management can't do much short of illegally destroying the physical evidence. NMB doesn't have the clout AKB has to hush up the media if the wota ever leak the info. In that one Naruhodo 31/48 reporters said they had dirt on AKB members and that it's actually easier to gind out addresses, etc. in Nagoya and Osaka.
So management's probably not doing much because they don't want to give the Kaito crew any cause to go to the press, just when NMB is getting big. Hence why their comment was only concerning Runa, and not the implicated four confirmed to have met with wota.

Also, I just don't care about the purity thing that much. The SDN gals probably had much more interesting stories to tell simply from having previous experience. AKB's strongest personalities were originally the older ones, who then taught the younger ones how to be little spitfires of attitude.

I also agree with what gekikarabuACE said. Why is everyone so thirsty for blood anyways? Shouldn't they be supporting the girls?

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2012, 09:13:21 PM »
Why is everyone so thirsty for blood anyways? Shouldn't they be supporting the girls?

I think it's that mindset of, 'If I can't have you, then no one can.', that drives them to potentially destroy the very things they love.

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2012, 01:27:13 PM »
I think it's that mindset of, 'If I can't have you, then no one can.', that drives them to potentially destroy the very things they love.
Then they should die painful deaths. If they are truly fans, can't they be like H!P fans who cheered blessings to Tsuji's & Kaori's pregnancies & marriages?

I don't think what the girls do should be considered a scandal unless it results in
-death of an endangered living thing(s)
-hospitalization of another person(s)
-the girl(s) being imprisoned

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2012, 04:49:58 PM »
I don't even know if this post should go in here, but since we're talking about fan behaviors during hs events, then why not fan behaviors in social media as well? All translations courtesy of mahoushoujoari from tumblr.

Just a while ago, Rena did a very interesting experiment in with her G+.

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この記事にはコメントを書き込まないでください。
Plese don’t fill this post with comments.
お願いします@ ‘ェ’ @
Please.@ ‘ェ’ @


Initially, it got filled with comments, but after a while, most of the users had removed their posts. (Lol, I thought it was funny that Yui's comment was one of the handful that remained.)

She then posted a brief explanation after...

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私はコメントが減った事に感動しました!
I noticed that the comments decreased, and I’m deeply moved by that.

悪ふざけです。
It’s just a prank.
我慢大会ってやつ?
Something like an endurance tournament, I guess…?

お付き合いありがとうございます!
Thank you for having kept me company with it.

...proceeded by a detailed one an hour or so later.

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我慢大会はみなさんがどんな反応をするのか知りたかったんです。
I wanted to know everyone’s reaction to an endurance tournament.

気分を悪くした方がいたらすみません。
I’m sorry if I ruined someone’s mood.

なんかコメントをすることに必死になっている方がたくさんいるなと感じたんです。
It’s just that I noticed that there are people that are just desperate when it comes to comment.
コメントをしたいのにできない方がいるにもかかわらず、一文字だけのコメントがあったり、内容に関係なく「コメントできた」的なものがあるのをみて、私は図々しくも「それは違うんじゃないかな」と思ってしまって。
Seeing that, in spite of the people wanting to comment but that are not able to do it, there are comments with just one character, or with contents that have nothing to do with the post, like “I was able to comment”, I shamelessly thought “No, that’s not right!!”.

コメントがあると嬉しいです。でもなんで嬉しいかって言うと、私達が書いたことに対して反応があるからなんです。
I’m happy to see comments. But if you ask me why am I happy, that’s because we can read reactions to what we’ve just wrote.

会話をしていて「面白いね」と行ったのに「こんにちは」と言われたような話しのかみ合わなさは寂しいです。
If I try to put on something like a conversation saying something like “It’s fun, isn’t it?” and then I get “Hi!” as a reply, that doesn’t make sense, it’s sad.

もし後から編集をしてしっかりコメントをくださるのなら「編集」とか分かるように書いていただけると嬉しいです。
If you plan to edit your comment later, I’d be happy if you’d write something like “Editing”, so that I can understand that.

私はコメントよりも読んでいただける事が何より嬉しいんです。
More than comments, what makes me happy is that people read what I write.


ああ、また気分を悪くしてしまったらすみません
Ah, I guess I ruined the mood again, I’m sorry.
小娘の戯言だと思ってください。
Please think as if this is just some little girl’s nonsensical talk.

Mad respect for her for addressing this very common practice amongst the fans - commenting just for the sake commenting itself, rather than communicating with their idols. Obviously, not everyone is going to like it, but personally, I'd like an idol who prefers real conversations with her fans than those mindless '1st comment!/2nd/500ww/whatever-number-that-comment-is' type of comments. Lol!

What do you guys think? Is she being preachy again?  :P

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2012, 05:55:43 PM »
I'd rather have someone who was honest and upfront about it like this than someone who just blindly accepted the situation instead. Not that I'm blaming any other members or anything like that, it's more along the lines of I like this kind of trait in a person. To me honesty and trust is a huge foundation in building a relationship, whether it's among friends or even fans.

Rena is really something.

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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2012, 06:59:07 PM »
And this is why I love Rena-sama. Seriously. She's my second oshimen after Yuko-sama.

Rena-sama is the girl that says what she thinks and is not afraid of people's different reactions. She's just so truthful... She's a perfect idol (and an amazing actress at that note)
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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2012, 08:37:59 AM »
Idol trolls are win.  :P There is nothing more entertaining than an idol trolling someone else, whether it be a fellow member, another celebrity on a variety show, or even the fans.

Rena having gained this much confidence from her rise to supreme SKE frontgirl status is actually heartwarming to me. Sassy Rena is just so much fun. I mean, the sheer brilliance of a popular frontgirl writing a "don't comment on this" post is just cake to someone like me. At this rate she'll be reaching Shinoda levels of trolling, and that day will be AWESOME.
It's actually even more heartwarming to see that most ended up obeying her request, because I can tell you that a Western celebrity doing the same thing wouldn't yield any sort of the same results at all. This kind of thing shows why Rena deserves a spot in G+ senbatsu, because there's two-way interaction, not just a one-way idol ---> fan IV drip of management sanctioned fluff.

As for idol preachiness in general, that rarely bothers me because it's so easy to ignore.  :sweatdrop: If an idol's blog or feed becomes too preachy, I'll simply not read their entries and just enjoy their non-preachy existence in other media. So no, I don't really care if Rena's being too preachy or not.

The other thing being that similarly to what I said above, an idol speaking out like this is a rare instance when we can see an idol outside of the censorship wall of management. It's one of the few times we can know what an idol is ACTUALLY thinking, whether we agree with their opinion or not. For that reason, I'd gladly accept more preachiness, simply because it allows me to know her better, and know that it is her that I'm getting to know, not an image designed to make bank.
That's why Mayuyu's 2010 sousenkyo bitch fit was far more interesting and appealing to me than her more prudent but BORING "smile and nod" speech the next year. For a few glorious minutes we got to see the real living girl beneath the cyborg exterior. I certainly do admire her savvy polish and professionalism, but having at least the illusion that we also know a bit of the "real" her is what separates an idol from a normal celebrity or actress.

I believe that Japanese variety is so obsessed with ridiculous games, especially punishment games, partially because it both forces idols to real show their true selves in moments of shock, surprise, fear, etc., and that how an idol deals with humiliation or bizarreness is more telling about their true personalities than any scripted interview ever could.
Compare to K-variety, which is hell-bent on placing their idols on pedestals and praising them to high heaven as "the ideal [insert job here]" and while I love my Kpop idols too, (surprise surprise, usually the ones who "break their image") I don't feel as much of an emotional connection to them. My Kpop fandom is more based in removed admiration for their abilities and skills.
But since many Jpop idols don't have those skillsets to use, my Jpop fandom is more based in personal admiration for how they've grown in their situations, which relies on the behind-the-scenes stuff, especially their opinions on various issues, from which we can frame how we interpret their actions.
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Re: [Discuss] Fan Behavior
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2012, 03:50:52 PM »
What do you guys think? Is she being preachy again?  :P

Not really, but I don't like how she apologizes for it.

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