Author Topic: The Sugaya Risako Thread (菅谷梨沙子) (Read 229402 times)

xxbakaboi808xx · « **Reply #180 on:** October 12, 2006, 06:21:42 AM »

i am absolutely loving her pics right now. she is sooo cute! now if only they would let airi or megumi from c-ute have their own pb...but i guess ill just have to keep dreaming. still...risako is soo cute....

nebok0 · « **Reply #181 on:** October 13, 2006, 03:10:30 AM »

I don't particularly have a problem with the bikinis but personally I like the cute Risako better than the new sexy Risako. But the PB seems like 50/50 so I guess there is something for everyone.

But something I do kind of not like is that the photographer must have been in love with Risako or something because most of the photos are just very beautiful pictures of her. But in like Reina, Risa, Gomaki, Mikitty..... ok all HP PB's the clothes they wear and the setting are very beautiful. So personally (even as a straight girl) I absolutely love all of their PBs. Because the entire picture is beautiful to look at, like art. Risako's seems somehow low budget in comparison. And since I love her the most out of all of HP I wish they would have made here PB more fabulous (all the fabulousness of the PB is contributed by Risako herself).

StreakInTheSky · « **Reply #182 on:** October 14, 2006, 08:40:42 AM »

I looked through the PV and it's just... yeah... some of the pics were just a little too much for what I can handle from a 12 year old girl... But there are some awesome pics in it though. It was alot like Rika's I PB, which was pretty mediocre.

One thing I must say is, this girl is dangerous...

chera · « **Reply #183 on:** October 14, 2006, 09:58:21 AM »

I think the perviness of this PB is highly over-rated. The bikini shots are by no means pervy. Can you honestly tell me that the following shots are pervy?

She's got a great slim well-toned body. Better than Koharu, who, for a growing young girl, is just too skinny, IMHO. But Risako obviously got no... "feminine assets" to show off. That last shot, with her back arched back is a textbook shot to show of a woman's ass, and it's clear she doesn't have one. The art director showed restraint in choosing her bikinis - they are all very low cut and have that frilly stuff that little girls like to have on their bikinis (and let's face it, even little girls wear bikinis these days). Besides, a full cut navy-blue school swim-team 1-piece swimsuit would be much pervier, given the extent that they are used in fetish porn these days.

The only borderline shot I could imagine would be the following:

And even then, it's all in your imagination. The perviness in all in your head,

If somebody is turned on by cuteness, then there's really nothing that can be done, because there's nothing wrong with cuteness alone. That being said, these following two photos are awe-inspiringly cute, some of the best I've ever seen of her or any other H!P girl.

Give her a year or two - then she'll have some hips and we can all start worrying about whether she's been pushed too much too fast.

nebok0 · « **Reply #184 on:** October 14, 2006, 05:11:43 PM »

Well I don't think Risako was even trying to be sexy in any of the shots, so the "perviness" is imaginary. But its more like the shots that were captured were poses that an adult would make (or be photographed making) not a kid, and thats what upsets conservative people.

I'm kind of worried about what people in Japan will think. After Airi sang First Kiss with Aa! it seemed like she was shunned by the people. Even though it wasn't like she herself was going around kissing player boys, but still it seemed like people really didn't like it. I mean I thought she could become so popular, she was so talented even then (although not as pretty as Risako

) but it looks like no one liked a kid singing about kissing..... But she was like 8 then and Risako is 12 so..... I hope it doesn't cause problems.

PS. I also love the ballet shots. I think the ballerina image really suits her.

shadowstar · « **Reply #185 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:33:02 PM »

THANK YOU chera for that post of yours, very well said indeed!

Seriously, as chera said, these pictures only become "pervy" if you want them to seem like that; or to be honest, you may have been influenced by comments saying that it's "pervy" and not even know it. Plain and simple, really. Like I mentioned before, none of her poses in the bikinis are suggestive, they're just very playful and/or artistic shots.

And please, don't start thinking a bikini on a 12 year old like Risako is "Woah 12 year olds like her shouldn't wear stuff like that!! Ewww, pervy!!". Go to tons of other places (especially Western countries), and you'll see girls her age wearing even SKIMPIER bikinis and practicaly flaunting their still-developing assets. Scary, but true. Yet, no one says anything about them.

Admire Risako's body in a completely 'platonic way', until she turns legal. If you want to do so otherwise, well...keep it to yourself or take it somewhere else, not here.

Ishikawa Minoru · « **Reply #186 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:36:03 PM »

Interestingly enough,Risako's comments regarding her having had second thoughts regarding the shooting of the photobook are striking similar to Saaya Irie's comment on how she felt slightly uncomfortable when middle aged men purchased her materials.
This serves to show how strong Western morals have become imprinted in Japanese Society.Less than a couple of decades ago child models were posing for nude photobooks.It was perfectly legal back then,but now even having a beautiful girl like Risako pose for this sort of innocent book is considered "perverted" or "immoral".
I can only congratulate the photographer on his work.Surely,Risako made it easier for him to capture Her heavenly beauty,but I also feel he was a professional.
The bikini shots were really great,but I liked to see her laying down in bed with that french maid headlace on her head.She was really cute there.Also,that shot with her licking the whipped cream from her hand was simply a masterpiece.

My advice to all people having guilt trips over this work is to simply enjoy it for what it is.If she arouses you,admit it.It's not like you're ever going to have chance to break the law by having any sort of intimate contact with her,so why bother being moralistic?

shadowstar · « **Reply #187 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:37:41 PM »

Quote from: Ishikawa Minoru

If she arouses you,admit it.It's not like you're ever going to have chance to break the law by having any sort of intimate contact with her,so why bother being moralistic?

They can admit it, but just not here I'm afraid

Ishikawa Minoru · « **Reply #188 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:51:30 PM »

Quote from: arian

They can admit it, but just not here I'm afraid

Yeah,I meant they should admit it,not necessarily to other people,but rather to themselves.
In the world we live nowadays freedom of thought and expression isn't widely encouraged so I most certainly wouldn't reccomend them to go out shouting "I feel attracted(even if no intimate contact is implied) to a 12 year old.Praise me,world!",least they be lynched by a angry, moralistic mob of robotic,God fearing peasents.

shirenuファクトリー · « **Reply #189 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:08:26 PM »

FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP USING WORDS LIKE "ADMIRING HER BODY" (I don't care platonic or not, there's something wrong if you're admiring a 12-year-old girl's body) OR "GETTING AROUSED" WTF STOP IT STOP IT

What I said on IRC today was that I wouldn't probably even have as big a problem with Risako's bikini pics if I didn't have to read such POOR WORD CHOICES people have in their opinions about them. I'm sorry but all the justificating bullshit like "at least she's not doing this or that" is... Well, bullshit. THINGS COULD ALWAYS BE WORSE, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BLINDLY ACCEPT WHATEVER WE'RE GIVEN. Do you accept hitting a child with a bat because "at least it's not a barbwire bat"? I think not!! So why should I accept an idol I care about being photographed half-naked for a public release just because "it could be worse"??

And Risako's like sticking her butt out in those so-called non-pervy pics, stop being so naive.

ARGH you're all giving me lots of headache. IT'S OKAY TO BE OK WITH THE PICTURES AND IT'S OK TO LIKE RISAKO'S PICS AND SUCH but argh, stop trying to convince people those bikini pics were taken *completely* without *any* dedication to pervy middle-aged men who will find lots of private enjoyment out of them, stop trying to make people feel like those of US are wrong who wish they could PROTECT Risako from being turned into a sex symbol at age 12. Stop ACCEPTING BLINDLY everything UFA hands over to you, start doubting and using your own brain for judging things instead of thinking "well most of Japan thinks it's ok, so it must be".

And someone else can handle this thread from now on, I'm too PISSED OFF to keep reading this.

reyfer · « **Reply #190 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:17:30 PM »

Quote from: shirenu

start doubting and using your own brain for judging things

I am using my brain, and judging for myself, and to me THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PB. If by "using your own brain" you mean we have to think like you do, then I'm sorry, it won't happen. I find it offensive when people say "use your own brain" the way you did, because basically you're calling everyone that doesn't share your view a brainless moron, and I consider myself a well educated person, so please, I respect your point of view, don't insult my intelligence, okay?

shadowstar · « **Reply #191 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:32:56 PM »

I didn't rule out at all that this photobook wasn't originally catering to the pervy, middle-aged wotas. Did I? I'm sure I didn't. I'm just pointing that sure, that may be so, but others like us don't have to feel "Oh geez, we can't look at this because it's only for the middle-aged wotas to look at and use for wanking sessions!".

And I don't know about you, but it's POSSIBLE to admire Risako's body in a completely platonic sense. I'm a straight female, and in no way am I attracted to Risako in the way that I shall drool over her like some hormone-enraged person who has a 'thing' for underage girls. I admire her body because at such a young age, she's already showing signs that she's going to grow up to be a very beautiful woman and that at only 12 years old, she's already prettier than a lot of girls a lot older than her.

Okay fine, Risako may be considered a sex-symbol to some already, but it doesn't mean we can't choose to view her another way. I don't view her as a sex-symbol at all, I simply see a very beautiful and talented girl; and I'm damn sure others will back me up on this.

Ishikawa Minoru · « **Reply #192 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:34:56 PM »

Quote from: shirenu

FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP USING WORDS LIKE "ADMIRING HER BODY" (I don't care platonic or not, there's something wrong if you're admiring a 12-year-old girl's body) OR "GETTING AROUSED" WTF STOP IT STOP IT

What is wrong?Why is it wrong?Because you and your mates say so?If so then maybe people should stop accepting what the US and other Western countries are constantly trying to force feed them,because,after all,just because you people think it's wrong doesn't necessarily make it so.

Quote from: shirenu

What I said on IRC today was that I wouldn't probably even have as big a problem with Risako's bikini pics if I didn't have to read such POOR WORD CHOICES people have in their opinions about them. I'm sorry but all the justificating bullshit like "at least she's not doing this or that" is... Well, bullshit. THINGS COULD ALWAYS BE WORSE, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BLINDLY ACCEPT WHATEVER WE'RE GIVEN. Do you accept hitting a child with a bat because "at least it's not a barbwire bat"? I think not!! So why should I accept an idol I care about being photographed half-naked for a public release just because "it could be worse"??

And Risako's like sticking her butt out in those so-called non-pervy pics, stop being so naive.

ARGH you're all giving me lots of headache. IT'S OKAY TO BE OK WITH THE PICTURES AND IT'S OK TO LIKE RISAKO'S PICS AND SUCH but argh, stop trying to convince people those bikini pics were taken *completely* without *any* dedication to pervy middle-aged men who will find lots of private enjoyment out of them, stop trying to make people feel like those of US are wrong who wish they could PROTECT Risako from being turned into a sex symbol at age 12. Stop ACCEPTING BLINDLY everything UFA hands over to you, start doubting and using your own brain for judging things instead of thinking "well most of Japan thinks it's ok, so it must be".

You're trying to protect her?Protect her from what?For being treated "like a sex object"?That's what you prudes generally say,but do you seriously believe your own words?If so,why aren't you trying to protect Takahashi Ai from becoming a sex symbol at age 20?Because it's alright for people to jack off to photo's of a 20 year old,but not to Risako-chan's PB?We even have montages of Takahashi,Konkon,Nacchi,etc,so why are you being so moralistic for?
Also,why wouldn't we accept what UFA gives us(rather,what we pay for because in the true sense of the word they don't give us anything) when we obviously enjoy it?Risako is beautiful.Everything about her is a true masterpiece.Her genetic makeup should be sequenced and preserved for future generations and probably the only mistake on UFA's part was not giving her one or more photobooks in the past 2 or 3 years,since every single moment of her life if precious and should be thoroughly documented.
Also,how can you possibly compare liking Her PB with hitting a child with a bat?Last time I checked,the only long lasting effect purchasing a PB can incur upon the model is a chubby bank account,not tons of bruises,cuts and quite possibly death.What a poor analogy on your part.

HiME · « **Reply #193 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:38:53 PM »

Amen shirenu, AMEN.

suki* · « **Reply #194 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:40:04 PM »

Quote from: Ishikawa Minoru

In the world we live nowadays freedom of thought and expression isn't widely encouraged so I most certainly wouldn't reccomend them to go out shouting "I feel attracted(even if no intimate contact is implied) to a 12 year old.Praise me,world!",least they be lynched by a angry, moralistic mob of robotic,God fearing peasents.

Having a strong sense of morality over something does not make anybody as maniacal or irrational as you are painting them to be and sadly, not all "God-fearing peasants" have morals. Neither do US or Western influences have anything to do with it.

Risako is a pretty child and that she deserves a PB as much as the other girls do. BUT. It is too early for her. There is no way whatsoever that anybody can say with any certainty that there is nothing pervy about the PB because reality dictates that ANYTHING can be construed as pervy or twisted into something pervy.

All that Shirenu is saying is that it is fine to look. By all means enjoy the PB and say that it compliments Risako for the pretty, sweet child she is. Do that, but stop justifying why you are of the opinion that the PB is acceptable.

So why is a PB for Risako not acceptable and a PB of Takahashi is? For the simple reason that Takahashi is of age and Risako isn't? Is it not OBVIOUS enough? I would think that it was obvious.

That said, if you cannot take part in a discussion without making what can be construed as personal attacks on other people's opinions, please just hold your tongue and not say anything.

tamatron · « **Reply #195 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:41:02 PM »

Okay, I've said this before and I'ma say it again.

I don't want to know about your fantasies. You can go dreaming about seeing a pic of her on bed with a french maid headlace, but don't share it with me here. I'm not gonna talk about my opinion on the PB coz I haven't dl-ed it and I prolly won't, but that fantasy of yours IS suggestive. So stop it.

daigong · « **Reply #196 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:44:25 PM »

Take that garbage to someone who wants it.

Stop trying to ruin my forum, I'm not gonna let you. You may think it's funny. I don't.

The only reason there's even Berryz talk is cuz my ladies like em. Sure go ahead. You like cute girls. I'll stay far away. When I was a young pup, I fantasized over grown women.

Think about it. Do u want someone to admire your lil sister, or daughter's body? how would that make you feel if those pix were laid out and commented on??

And don't give me that freedom of speech bullshit.

Ishikawa Minoru, you have stepped over that line way too much and you knows what we do to habitual linesteppers.

reyfer · « **Reply #197 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:50:07 PM »

Quote from: suki*

All that Shirenu is saying is that it is fine to look. By all means enjoy the PB and say that it compliments Risako for the pretty, sweet child she is. Do that, but stop justifying why you are of the opinion that the PB is acceptable.

No, I'm sorry, but what Shirenu is saying is that if we don't think there's something wrong with that PB, then we are not using our brains and are blindly accepting what UFA gives us. I have 2 college degrees, so being told that I'm brainless just because I don't see things the way Shirenu does is offensive to me.

Ishikawa Minoru · « **Reply #198 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:50:40 PM »

Quote from: suki*

That said, if you cannot take part in a discussion without making what can be construed as personal attacks on other people's opinions, please just hold your tongue and not say anything.

I'd reply accordingly,but since I have been warned by the moderators and don't necessarily fancy the though of being banned,I shall refrain from so doing.
I'll send you a PM persuing my point in a forum where other members aren't bothered.If you're not willing to discuss the issue,then either post your intentions to do so,or simply ignore my message.
Yours truly,
Ishikawa Minoru.

suki* · « **Reply #199 on:** October 14, 2006, 08:19:02 PM »

Quote from: reyfer

No, I'm sorry, but what Shirenu is saying is that if we don't think there's something wrong with that PB, then we are not using our brains and are blindly accepting what UFA gives us. I have 2 college degrees, so being told that I'm brainless just because I don't see things the way Shirenu does is offensive to me.

I have but only one degree but I am seeing why Shirenu said what she did. Does it make me smarter than you? I therefore have half a brain more? I don't really think so...

From what I understand, she said what she said because exposing a 12 year old girl by having "official" pictures of her in swimwear is wrong because it is clear exploitation by UFA to milk the child for their own profit by selling a photobook of the child in swimwear in a society where child pornography is rife. And she (Risako) is being purposefully sold this way for the sake of profit. That's all. Profit.

Coz of this, any praise for the PB therefore follows as being wrong because it's encouraging a continued exposure of Risako and her fellow U-15 to the kind of perverts that there are out there. Following that with justification as to why the PB is 'not pervy' just shows a total blank-out to the reality as to what Risako is being exposed to because of the sale/release of the PB. She deserves a PB yes. But just as the chances are high of decent men getting their hands on Risako's PB, the chances of men with less honourable pleasures getting their hands on the same PB is just as high. It's way too early for grown men to have copies of a photobook of her, with bikini pics no less, to unload their desires on. If that is not wrong, I really do not know what is.

If you cannot see it that way and after this, still cannot understand Shirenu's frustration, then I have nothing else to say just that I am sorry that I have failed in getting my message across that's all.

That said. If you think that anything that anybody said or done is offensive to your person, please go take it up with them in private. Don't let it explode here coz it disturbs other people who have nothing to do with it. So yes, if anybody has anything to say to me because I stepped on your toes, feel free to do so via PM.