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« Reply #280 on: March 16, 2007, 11:57:17 PM »
I went to the Morning Musume community on Mixi (a Japanese invitation-only social network site), and a lot of the wotas there liked them but many also were shocked about the sudden announcement. Some people made negative comments about Tsunku, even saying that they're counting down to the breakup of MoMusu. But others said that they are keeping a positive attitude and will wait and see how these girls will add to the group.

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« Reply #281 on: March 17, 2007, 12:14:17 AM »
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...But others said that they are keeping a positive attitude and will wait and see how these girls will look in a skimpy bikini.

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« Reply #282 on: March 17, 2007, 12:55:39 AM »
Now that I've had the opportunity read the whole thread, allow me to offer some thoughts.  First of all, anyone who thinks this is random has obviously not been paying attention to h!p.  Tsunku and UFA have been fostering the development of a fanbase in asia for years through special fanclub performances and cooperations with the Ministry of Tourism.  If you think the h!p fanbase in china is anything like it is in the west (which is physically akin to a child with down syndrome) then you are sorely mistaken.  It would take a good 20-50 more years of saturation before h!p would be able to make any overt moves in the west, but the environment in china is ripe for development and the seeds have already been sown.  The youth of china, particularly in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Tianjin, have grown up side-by-side with Japanese Anime, Manga, and Japanese-influenced music and the self-imposed embargo on chinese sales have only served to stimulate the potential fanbase.  

With withering sales in Japan due to a combination of the internet, wota-aversion, and a general nationwide musical depression, h!p needs to do something drastically different in this, their 10th year, in order to survive.  While idol music, and the music industry in general, is suffering and stuggling in Japan, the music industry in China is booming with a huge influx of talent and a major increase in production talent.  The potential market in China is staggering, and Chinese youth are very receptive to anything Japanese.  The addition of Chinese members to Morning Musume is a necessary step in h!p's expansion into China and the rest of Asia.  This is not a sign that momusu will become an international group, though that -is- a possibility, what it does is show the Chinese that h!p is serious about expanding and that it is not something they will pursue half-heartedly or abuse as a gimmick.  Of course, should this move backfire then the girls -will- be transformed into a gimmick and then shipped back home at the end of 2007.  However, I don't think that result is likely.  Instead, what we will probably see is Li Chun and Qian Lin act as ambassadors for h!p in China and for China in Japan, developing a connecting between existing fanbases and establishing avenues to new ones.  Once this is done, I think they will leave momusu and spearhead h!p's full expansion into China.  On the internet negative voices are always louder than positive ones and shouldn't be used to judge the reaction of Japanese Fans and the Chinese Market.  Instead, we will have to wait to see how this plays out and trust that Tsunku and UFA will be devoting 110% to make certain this works.  Is it a gamble?  Yes, but the potential profits are too great to ignore.

Now to address some other concerns.  First of all, I don't think you should worry about Li Chun's singing abilities.  She does have some pitch instability problems and her ear could use a little work, but these are simple problems to fix and her natural tone is very promising.  In regards to concerns that momusu will suddenly start singing in broken Chinese, this is unfounded as all foreign members of h!p have had to sing in Japanese and most have learned to speak Japanese as well, particularly Simmin and Ruru.  It's already been stated that they won't be debuting on momusu's April release, so they will have plenty of time to develop their singing skills and japanese abilities.  I doubt they'll be forced into a position where they'll be required to demonstrate a mastery of Japanese.  Simple statements like "minna daisuki" and "ouenshite ne" will be enough to sate Japanese fans, and I sincerely doubt whether the majority of you would be able to distinguish between their accented Japanese and the standard Japanese that you've immersed yourself in despite complete and utter incomprehension.  

Also, all this bullshit about Chinese and Japanese xenophobia is completely ridiculous.  Are there people in Japan and China that hate each and want nothing to do with the other?  Of course, but they're all relics of the 50s and 60s that don't have anything to do with the music industry or pop-culture of either nation.  And if Irie Saaya is any indication, cute conquers racism.

And lastly, I imagine Simmin was a litmus test for this move to see how wota would react to a foreign h!p member.  That she was 22 when she joined should've immediately signaled that she had as much chance at getting a solo debut as Yasuda Kei.

*EDIT*  Just realized I forgot this.  Quit bitching about Li Chun and Qian Li making their first public appearance during Yossi's graduation.  Nearly every new morning musume member has debuted during another member's graduation.  Goto did it right before Aya graduated, 4th gen did it during Sayaka's grad, 6th gen during Kei's grad, and Koharu during Rika's grad.  They're only on stage long enough to say a quick introduction during what would normally be an MC and then they're gone.  4th gen performed the entire grad, but they were the exception.  So you're upset that your favorite member won't get every possible second of attention during her graduation?  Boo-friggin-hoo.  Makoto had to share her graduation concert with Konno and it was even announced until the day of the concert!  Besides, there's really no better time to introduce a new member than when an old one is leaving.  It's the circle of life, idol-style.  Get used to it or gtfo.

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« Reply #283 on: March 17, 2007, 02:32:54 AM »
Bravo JB...just Bravo...you said all the things i wanted to say and expressed them with sentiments i couldn't do myself, and I'm sure a lot of people share the same or similar opinions. :D

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« Reply #284 on: March 17, 2007, 02:33:03 AM »
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« Reply #286 on: March 17, 2007, 02:40:48 AM »
Nicely said JB.

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« Reply #287 on: March 17, 2007, 03:00:53 AM »
My god, JaisBane, that's was some good read. It'd be nice if you'd post that @ JPM or other forums, so some coughstupidstupid people would shut the hell up about it.

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« Reply #288 on: March 17, 2007, 03:08:35 AM »
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« Reply #289 on: March 17, 2007, 03:14:16 AM »
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Now that I've had the opportunity read the whole thread, all me to offer some thoughts.  First of all, anyone who thinks this is random has obviously not been paying attention to h!p.  Tsunku and UFA have been fostering the development of a fanbase in asia for years through special fanclub performances and cooperations with the Ministry of Tourism.  If you think the h!p fanbase in china is anything like it is in the west (which is physically akin to a child with down syndrome) then you are sorely mistaken.  It would take a good 20-50 more years of saturation before h!p would be able to make any overt moves in the west, but the environment in china is ripe for development and the seeds have already been sown.  The youth of china, particularly in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Tianjin, have grown up side-by-side with Japanese Anime, Manga, and Japanese-influenced music and the self-imposed embargo on chinese sales have only served to stimulate the potential fanbase.  

With withering sales in Japan due to a combination of the internet, wota-aversion, and a general nationwide musical depression, h!p needs to do something drastically different in this, their 10th year, in order to survive.  While idol music, and the music industry in general, is suffering and stuggling in Japan, the music industry in China is booming with a huge influx of talent and a major increase in production talent.  The potential market in China is staggering, and Chinese youth are very receptive to anything Japanese.  The addition of Chinese members to Morning Musume is a necessary step in h!p's expansion into China and the rest of Asia.  This is not a sign that momusu will become an international group, though that -is- a possibility, what it does is show the Chinese that h!p is serious about expanding and that it is not something they will pursue half-heartedly or abuse as a gimmick. Of course, should this move backfire then the girls -will- be transformed into a gimmick and then shipped back home at the end of 2007.  However, I don't think that result is likely.  Instead, what we will probably see is Li Chun and Qian Lin act as ambassadors for h!p in China and for China in Japan, developing a connecting between existing fanbases and establishing avenues to new ones.  Once this is done, I think they will leave momusu and spearhead h!p's full expansion into China.  On the internet negative voices are always louder than positive ones and shouldn't be used to judge the reaction of Japanese Fans and the Chinese Market.  Instead, we will have to wait to see how this plays out and trust that Tsunku and UFA will be devoting 110% to make certain this works.  Is it a gamble?  Yes, but the potential profits are too great to ignore.

Now to address some other concerns.  First of all, I don't think you should worry about Li Chun's singing abilities.  She does have some pitch instability problems and her ear could use a little work, but these are simple problems to fix and her natural tone is very promising. In regards to concerns that momusu will suddenly start singing in broken Chinese, this is unfounded as all foreign members of h!p have had to sing in Japanese and most have learned to speak Japanese as well, particularly Simmin and Ruru.  It's already been stated that they won't be debuting on momusu's April release, so they will have plenty of time to develop their singing skills and japanese abilities.  I doubt they'll be forced into a position where they'll be required to demonstrate a mastery of Japanese.  Simple statements like "minna daisuki" and "ouenshite ne" will be enough to sate Japanese fans, and I sincerely doubt whether the majority of you would be able to distinguish between their accented Japanese and the standard Japanese that you've immersed yourself in despite complete and utter incomprehension.  

Also, all this bullshit about Chinese and Japanese xenophobia is completely ridiculous.  Are there people in Japan and China that hate each and want nothing to do with the other?  Of course, but they're all relics of the 50s and 60s that don't have anything to do with the music industry or pop-culture of either nation.  And if Irie Saaya is any indication, cute conquers racism.

And lastly, I imagine Simmin was a litmus test for this move to see how wota would react to a foreign h!p member.  That she was 22 when she joined should've immediately signaled that she had as much chance at getting a solo debut as Yasuda Kei.

*EDIT*  Just realized I forgot this.  Quit bitching about Li Chun and Qian Li making their first public appearance during Yossi's graduation.  Nearly every new morning musume member has debuted during another member's graduation.  Goto did it right before Aya graduated, 4th gen did it during Sayaka's grad, 6th gen during Kei's grad, and Koharu during Rika's grad.  They're only on stage long enough to say a quick introduction during what would normally be an MC and then they're gone.  4th gen performed the entire grad, but they were the exception.  So you're upset that your favorite member won't get every possible second of attention during her graduation?  Boo-friggin-hoo.  Makoto had to share her graduation concert with Konno and it was even announced until the day of the concert!  Besides, there's really no better time to introduce a new member than when an old one is leaving.  It's the circle of life, idol-style.  Get used to it or gtfo.

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« Reply #290 on: March 17, 2007, 03:33:43 AM »
took a good min to read all that and i all i'm going to say is i'm just going to sit back and watch :D

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« Reply #291 on: March 17, 2007, 03:41:18 AM »
This would have been easier to tolerate if Tsunku had already announced some concrete plans for Aibon. That is a far more important matter for me. As far as I'm concerned, Tsunku got his priorities wrong. Until I hear something definite about Aibon, I'm not ready to care about this new crazy scheme of his.  

Also, if would have been better if Tsunku had chosen Kikkawa Yu along with Aika to join MM. That would have balanced things better, with two new Japanese girls vs two Chinese girls.

As it stands, I cannot feel favorable toward this development. I don't think those two are particularly cute, either. OK they are cute, but not super-cute (like aibon is) enough to warrant Tsunku choosing them over, say, Yu.

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« Reply #292 on: March 17, 2007, 04:13:12 AM »
As long as they make great music.

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« Reply #293 on: March 17, 2007, 04:18:11 AM »
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This would have been easier to tolerate if Tsunku had already announced some concrete plans for Aibon. That is a far more important matter for me. As far as I'm concerned, Tsunku got his priorities wrong. Until I hear something definite about Aibon, I'm not ready to care about this new crazy scheme of his.  

Also, if would have been better if Tsunku had chosen Kikkawa Yu along with Aika to join MM. That would have balanced things better, with two new Japanese girls vs two Chinese girls.

As it stands, I cannot feel favorable toward this development. I don't think those two are particularly cute, either. OK they are cute, but not super-cute (like aibon is) enough to warrant Tsunku choosing them over, say, Yu.


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« Reply #294 on: March 17, 2007, 04:40:26 AM »
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My god, JaisBane, that's was some good read. It'd be nice if you'd post that @ JPM or other forums, so some coughstupidstupid people would shut the hell up about it.

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« Reply #295 on: March 17, 2007, 04:50:39 AM »
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This would have been easier to tolerate if Tsunku had already announced some concrete plans for Aibon. That is a far more important matter for me. As far as I'm concerned, Tsunku got his priorities wrong. Until I hear something definite about Aibon, I'm not ready to care about this new crazy scheme of his.  

Also, if would have been better if Tsunku had chosen Kikkawa Yu along with Aika to join MM. That would have balanced things better, with two new Japanese girls vs two Chinese girls.

As it stands, I cannot feel favorable toward this development. I don't think those two are particularly cute, either. OK they are cute, but not super-cute (like aibon is) enough to warrant Tsunku choosing them over, say, Yu.


The announcement was supposed to be in regards to Morning Musume.  So that leaves Aibon out.  You just sound like a desperate Aibon fan.  Priorities wrong? Aibon is very lucky she got to come back into H!P (I missed her too, lol).

Kikkawa Yu lost to Aika, enough said.  Nothin no one can do about it.  But I do like your idea of the balance thing.

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« Reply #296 on: March 17, 2007, 05:09:06 AM »
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This would have been easier to tolerate if Tsunku had already announced some concrete plans for Aibon. That is a far more important matter for me. As far as I'm concerned, Tsunku got his priorities wrong. Until I hear something definite about Aibon, I'm not ready to care about this new crazy scheme of his.  



I laughed at this post because I thought it was stupid, then I felt bad. Then I re-read it and didn't feel bad anymore.

Aibon is not in MM. This announcement was to do with MM, not Aibon. MM will ALWAYS have higher priorities over anyone else in H!P in the eyes of Tsunku/UFA. Without MM, there wouldn't even BE an H!P.

Why do you blame him for not doing anything about Aibon? How do these girls affect it? Whether Aibon was suspended or not, something like this would have happened anyway. Aibon doesn't affect what happens in MM. Yossie would still be graduating. Aika would still be joining. Aibon has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS at all, so please stop blaming Tsunku for choosing MM over Aibon, when Aibon is not as popular/important as MM to begin with plzkthnxbai.
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« Reply #297 on: March 17, 2007, 05:13:45 AM »
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This would have been easier to tolerate if Tsunku had already announced some concrete plans for Aibon. That is a far more important matter for me. As far as I'm concerned, Tsunku got his priorities wrong. Until I hear something definite about Aibon, I'm not ready to care about this new crazy scheme of his.  

Yeah I feel the same way. I want her back in action. Come on SHE is ASIAN too.

And he cares about it because it is important to him. >.> momusu is past it's era anyway...
   
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« Reply #298 on: March 17, 2007, 05:16:00 AM »
I find it funny how people who aren't Japanese get so into being weeaboo/wapanese
that they take on the Japanese attitudes of descrimination against the chinese as
 if they were Japanese.

Quite funny.

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« Reply #299 on: March 17, 2007, 05:19:46 AM »
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I find it funny how people who aren't Japanese get so into being weeaboo/wapanese
that they take on the Japanese attitudes of descrimination against the chinese as
 if they were Japanese.

Quite funny.


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