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[jChu*]

if u replace dwayne wade with kobe on HEAT, that team is gonna fall apart.... COMPLETELY

I honestly don't see how they will fall apart... aside from the feud between Kobe and Shaq which seems to have ended.  

1. shaq is gonna fight with kobe, shaq gets fat again
2. no one else would be able to shoot beside kobe
3. HEAT is focus more on teamwork and kobe got none

1. Again, the feud has ended.  Will there be another battle? Most likely... but we will never know.
2. Shaq, Payton, Walker, and Williams all know how to score and are capable of scoring when Kobe is on the bench... unlike some players from the Lakers.
3. You honestly don't think Kobe has teamwork?? If you answered yes, then I guess that means he was the sole reason the Lakers was able to win 3 NBA titles with Shaq.  Like I said in my last post, Kobe "ball-hogs" cuz he has no one to depend on, not ONLY because he wants to, but because he HAS to as well, which brings me to my next point.

yes i can blame him, kobe makes himself look better by making his teammate worse, thats exactly wat he is right now... Put Lamar Odom on another team (well drugless team), he would perform better.

It's hard enough for a leader to make his teammates better, and it's even harder to make shit players into all-stars, and this is what you're asking Kobe to do. His teammates are the ones making themselves look like idiots by not producing and not contributing. If Phil Jackson believes his players are capable to win games without the points Kobe is putting up for the team, you think he'll let Kobe jack up all those shots? You think if there is a problem with Kobe being a ball-hog all the time, Phil is just gonna sit on his ass and not take any action? The sad truth is, Phil knows the only way the Lakers are going to win any games this season is to let Kobe take over. If there is anyone you should blame, is Phil Jackson.

[Jsmurf]

I'm gonna show up late for work tomorrow and tell my boss its because my co-workers wouldnt pass me the ball

what a lame excuse, so superstars can't be lazy just for the sake of being lazy and did kobe force shaq go to mcdonalds and eat all those bigmacs  

So if shaq is the bestest player that everbody wants to be with, why did he leave orlando, and who was he trying to get away from???

like SS said if kobe can win back to back to back championships by being a ball hog then he should be ball hog more often.  Shaq for the most part put up some big numbers while he was in L.A., how was he able to do this if he never got the ball?

[ytl]

You guys forgot Karl Malone and Payton, they all hated Kobe......

Kobe said Malone harassed his wife, Payton now go with Shaq rather than stay with Kobe.  Malone gave up on Kobe and call it quits.

If Kobe isn't the biggest selfish chemistry destroying loser, I don't know what else I can call him for.

Odom is just sadly the next victims after all those HOFs who disillusioned that they could have won a ring with the not so bad Kobe before..... they all learned their lessons after that.

Now IF Kobe goes to Miami, first Shaq will demand trade, Payton follows....... Jay Will will be back to his old self jacking up 3s all game long, and Antoine Walker will dribble the ball till someone stole it away or shoot all those crazy 3s.  Mourning probably will retire like Malone.  I don't see Miami will be better off to have Kobe than Wade.

[kaede]

It's sick to play with a ball-hog...i think everyone must agree that playing with a ball-hog takes away your energy, passion to the game.  It's just simply a mentally torture.  Imagine the Lakers' players have to deal with it night in and night out for the whole damn season.  I really feel pity for Kobe's teammates.

[scrock7]

if kobe can win back to back to back championships by being a ball hog then he should be ball hog more often.

wow, u might have made the stupidest comment i have ever heard... I will say i am wrong if kobe can win even "1" championship with this team when he is the biggest ball hog

the Lakers were able to win back to back to back championship becz kobe wasn't the one who brought the ball down the court (Derek Fisher) and also they were actually RUNNING the triangle offense instead of just having kobe shoot everytime he touches the ball

which brought to another point, High School students going for at least 1 yr of college is good cuz they will be disciplined with teamwork unlike mr. kobe over there who is still acting like a kid

well shaq left Orlando becz he felt like it... wat r u gonna do about it

If Kobe isn't the biggest selfish chemistry destroying loser, I don't know what else I can call him for.

I don't see Miami will be better off to have Kobe than Wade.

It's sick to play with a ball-hog...i think everyone must agree that playing with a ball-hog takes away your energy, passion to the game.  It's just simply a mentally torture.  Imagine the Lakers' players have to deal with it night in and night out for the whole damn season.  I really feel pity for Kobe's teammates.

finally, someone elses is talking some sense

[Jsmurf]

wow, u might have made the stupidest comment i have ever heard... I will say i am wrong if kobe can win even "1" championship with this team when he is the biggest ball hog

If you would have understood my previous post, you would have known it was a sarcastic statement genious.
no shit genious, kobe can't win a championship with the current team whether he ball hogs or not.

the Lakers were able to win back to back to back championship becz kobe wasn't the one who brought the ball down the court (Derek Fisher) and also they were actually RUNNING the triangle offense instead of just having kobe shoot everytime he touches the ball

So soley because of the triangle and fisher were the lakers able to win the 3 championships? How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.  Doesnt matter who brought the ball down the court, the ball would eventually come into kobe's hands, and kobe being such a big part of the triangle they never would have been able to win those championships if he were to ballhog

In kobe's early years with the Lakers, the media was all over kobe for being a ball hog, since then he's learned to distribute the ball.  The only reason he ball hogs now is because his CURRENT team is crap, even the media has stated this.  I'm mean for crying out loud he scored 81 pts, don't you think the media would be talking shit about kobe if he was unfairly hogging the ball without reason, which the media hasnt

Lol, who gives a crap about malone and payton, they were in it for the quick championship.  I'm glad they did'nt get it, malone should have just played out his career with the jazz.  and maybe kobe will start passing the ball to odom more if he stopped handing it over to the other team  

[jChu*]

So soley because of the triangle and fisher were the lakers able to win the 3 championships? How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.  Doesnt matter who brought the ball down the court, the ball would eventually come into kobe's hands, and kobe being such a big part of the triangle they never would have been able to win those championships if he were to ballhog

Exactly.

You guys are acting as if Kobe has all the authority in his ball club and can do whatever the fuck he wants, when he wants... but guess what... he doesn't, the head coach does.

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

Answer me that before anyone else say some shit like, "Kobe needs to stop acting like a kid" or "Kobe is a ball-hog and costing his team games".

[ytl]

So soley because of the triangle and fisher were the lakers able to win the 3 championships? How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.  Doesnt matter who brought the ball down the court, the ball would eventually come into kobe's hands, and kobe being such a big part of the triangle they never would have been able to win those championships if he were to ballhog

Exactly.

You guys are acting as if Kobe has all the authority in his ball club and can do whatever the fuck he wants, when he wants... but guess what... he doesn't, the head coach does.

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

Answer me that before anyone else say some shit like, "Kobe needs to stop acting like a kid" or "Kobe is a ball-hog and costing his team games".

You ppl really need to take out the kobe's X from your mouth...... PJ actually doesn't like that way of playing ball.  Remember he and Kobe doesn't see each other back in the Dynasty days?  I guess you must be very forgetful...... PJ comes back more because Jerry Buss asked him to and more importantly, Jerry Buss's daughter is PJ's girlfriend.  And everyone thought Kobe would have learned his lesson for one year of no playoff.  But nop, Kobe is one determined guy, determined to go his own way.......

Quote from cnnsi.

"To be honest with you, that's not exactly the way you want to have a team win a game," said Jackson, who actually cringes every time Bryant turns a game into a one-man show. "But when you have to win a game, it's great to be able to have that weapon to do it with."

PJ makes game plan, but it's Kobe to execute the plan or not.  And he chose not to most of the time......

Oh, did I forget to mention that Kobe do have the authority in the Lakers organization because they thought they are going to build the team around Kobe?  That's why they traded Shaq away coz they think he is going to get too old and want him out before he doesn't worth shit.  Shaq and Kobe can't get along anyways, and Kobe even said he is not going to re-sign if Shaq stays.

[Jsmurf]

So soley because of the triangle and fisher were the lakers able to win the 3 championships? How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.  Doesnt matter who brought the ball down the court, the ball would eventually come into kobe's hands, and kobe being such a big part of the triangle they never would have been able to win those championships if he were to ballhog

Exactly.

You guys are acting as if Kobe has all the authority in his ball club and can do whatever the fuck he wants, when he wants... but guess what... he doesn't, the head coach does.

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

Answer me that before anyone else say some shit like, "Kobe needs to stop acting like a kid" or "Kobe is a ball-hog and costing his team games".

You ppl really need to take out the kobe's X from your mouth...... PJ actually doesn't like that way of playing ball.  Remember he and Kobe doesn't see each other back in the Dynasty days?  I guess you must be very forgetful...... PJ comes back more because Jerry Buss asked him to and more importantly, Jerry Buss's daughter is PJ's girlfriend.  And everyone thought Kobe would have learned his lesson for one year of no playoff.  But nop, Kobe is one determined guy, determined to go his own way.......

Quote from cnnsi.

"To be honest with you, that's not exactly the way you want to have a team win a game," said Jackson, who actually cringes every time Bryant turns a game into a one-man show. "But when you have to win a game, it's great to be able to have that weapon to do it with."

PJ makes game plan, but it's Kobe to execute the plan or not.  And he chose not to most of the time......

Oh, did I forget to mention that Kobe do have the authority in the Lakers organization because they thought they are going to build the team around Kobe?  That's why they traded Shaq away coz they think he is going to get too old and want him out before he doesn't worth shit.  Shaq and Kobe can't get along anyways, and Kobe even said he is not going to re-sign if Shaq stays.

I could give a fuck about what kobe does and your gay oral fantasies.  I never said that he is the best player in the world, i just acknowledge his talent and give credit where credit is due.
Oh and Phil doesnt like this way of playing ball? lmao. Remember phil's dynasty days? You are correct, and anybody that tries to compare Phil's dynasty days with his current shit team called that lakers must be smoking crack. please get some help

about the quote from cnnsi, ofcourse thats not how you want to win a basketball game, thats the most basic fundamental of basketball.  Kobe knows that, Phil knows that, but when you're on a shit team and your 18 pts down in the 1st qtr, phil has no choice but to unleash kobe.  Tell me where phil says that kobe disobeys his orders by taking over the game

kobe currently does have authority within the lakers, like duh, thats because he IS the lakers, nobody there cept kobe.  Do you seriously think that phil would put up with kobe's crap during the championship days, hell no, thats because he wasnt the main show.  there were many times back then when phil pulled kobe out of the game when he wasnt listening.  its not until when shaq started getting lazy that they put more focus on kobe.

[scrock7]

wow, u might have made the stupidest comment i have ever heard... I will say i am wrong if kobe can win even "1" championship with this team when he is the biggest ball hog

If you would have understood my previous post, you would have known it was a sarcastic statement genious.

uh no? cuz since i am the genious (which u stated corretly) and that makes you the moron, and the moron makes the stupidest comment that i have ever heard, so no, i dont think u were sarcastic at all cuz u r capable of making that comment

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

cuz kobe sells tickets? i mean the owner would be mad if Phil bench kobe or take him out... then fans won't come, owner makes no $$ = Phil Jackson fired = no $$ for Phil
$$ is pretty much everything that matters in teh current NBA

and also u cant just tell a ball-hog to STOP BEING A BALL-HOG and expect him to change overnight... i mean it has been for years, the kid never learns and which he will never be the greatest  

I could give a fuck about what kobe does and your gay oral fantasies.  I never said that he is the best player in the world, i just acknowledge his talent and give credit where credit is due.

you know, when someone is incapable of continuing to argue becz they know they are wrong, they tends to swear in order to make himself look like a tough guy... of course kobe is not the best player in the world, he is NOT even close, sure he has talent of putting the ball into the rim but has no talent in the definition of basketball, he is just a mediocre player. Kobe "tries" to be the leader but is not the leader, in fact the Lakers doesn't have a leader

its kinda funny, this discussion would never have happened if kobe was locked up for raping that girl  

[Sponge Bob]

Is it just me or did Kobe just start a riot, 2 pages of it too !!!!        

That asswipe had to make history lol  

Im sure kobe was innocent, but michael jackson surely wasnt

[kaede]

Check out the article from Blog Squad of NBA.com...Scottie Pippen has commented on comparing Kobe to MJ.
Quote from the article, "I am sure Phil doesn't want to coach that type of game. It's not his style. I don't expect it to happen again. Phil will probably do everything in his power to make sure it doesn't. I don't think Phil is going to try to promote what Kobe has done more than anything because he has damaged his whole team. You just scored 81 points. Do you need your teammates? Are they going to step up when you need them or are you going to continue to pound them like you've been doing and be selfish just to get some individual accolades?"

[jChu*]

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

cuz kobe sells tickets? i mean the owner would be mad if Phil bench kobe or take him out... then fans won't come, owner makes no $$ = Phil Jackson fired = no $$ for Phil
$$ is pretty much everything that matters in teh current NBA

I agree that Kobe is the main attraction in terms of $$ making within the Lakers, but I don't think thats the ONLY reason why people pay to see their home team.  You make it sound like it doesn't matter if the team loses, as long as Kobe continues to put up big numbers, Jackson isn't going to do shit about the "problem".

But you pretty much proved my point though. You honestly think the fans would continue to pay money to watch Kobe play even if the Laker loses every single game from here on out? Again, you make it sound like they will, but I'd say they won't.

and also u cant just tell a ball-hog to STOP BEING A BALL-HOG and expect him to change overnight... i mean it has been for years, the kid never learns and which he will never be the greatest  

Haha... it's funny how you say he's been a ball-hog FOR YEARS and he never learns. I guess you just have to hog the ball to win championships when you're playing with Shaq.

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In other news... Pacers trade Artest for Peja Stojakovic.

[scrock7]

Im sure kobe was innocent, but michael jackson surely wasnt

i wonder how much kobe had to give to buy his innocense  

I agree that Kobe is the main attraction in terms of $$ making within the Lakers, but I don't think thats the ONLY reason why people pay to see their home team.  You make it sound like it doesn't matter if the team loses, as long as Kobe continues to put up big numbers, Jackson isn't going to do shit about the "problem".

But you pretty much proved my point though. You honestly think the fans would continue to pay money to watch Kobe play even if the Laker loses every single game from here on out? Again, you make it sound like they will, but I'd say they won't.

Haha... it's funny how you say he's been a ball-hog FOR YEARS and he never learns. I guess you just have to hog the ball to win championships when you're playing with Shaq.

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In other news... Pacers trade Artest for Peja Stojakovic.

Nope, ur point was not proven, fans will still see their favorite player playing regardless how bad the team is. People still pay tickets to see LeBron James even though the team is not the greatest, improving but yet disappointing

Well sure it doesn't really matter if they win or lose, as long as the games are sold out, owners are happy they are making $$... As long as kobe will attract fans with his ball-hog skills, i mean sure the owner will keep him as long as he can (then eventually fans will realize how stupid they were, and its time for kobe to find the next team to destroy)

and oh yeah, if you think numbers mean everything in the game of basketball, wow.... no wonder u don't understand the game

ya its funny he is a ball hog, and he won't be the greatest ever... Championship doesn't define the greatness of a single player, it defines the team, the TEAM won the championship, NOT kobe alone, which means 3 Lakers Championship doesn't mean Kobe's ball-hogness made it happen... most of the time its ROBERT HORRY, Derek Fisher making crucial plays, hitting those last second 3s to win the game. Umm wait, I don't see Kobe coming through for his teammates
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In the other news... Secret Squirrel's news is not a news anymore...  Pacers called off the trade ALRDY!!!!

[Jsmurf]

uh no? cuz since i am the genious (which u stated corretly) and that makes you the moron, and the moron makes the stupidest comment that i have ever heard, so no, i dont think u were sarcastic at all cuz u r capable of making that comment

I said, if kobe can win back to back to back rings by being a ball hog then he should ball hog more often. you quoted this line
Then in the next sentance i said,"Shaq for the most part put up some big numbers while he was in L.A., how was he able to do this if he never got the ball?" If you had any brains you would have known i was being sarcastic about the first sentance.
and yes i really think you're a genious, because once again you failed to detect obvious sarcasm.  you know how people call a big person tiny and vice versa, when they say that they mean the exact opposite.  Do you really think i'll really call you a genious and mean it after our little discussion LMFAO!!! Since you're kinda slow in the head, i was calling you an idiot.  so who's the moron now genious.

edited out, ill try and behave

ya its funny he is a ball hog, and he won't be the greatest ever... Championship doesn't define the greatness of a single player, it defines the team, the TEAM won the championship, NOT kobe alone, which means 3 Lakers Championship doesn't mean Kobe's ball-hogness made it happen... most of the time its ROBERT HORRY, Derek Fisher making crucial plays, hitting those last second 3s to win the game. Umm wait, I don't see Kobe coming through for his teammates

GENIOUS, this is good stuff!!! first you say championship doesnt define the greatness of a single player, it defines the TEAM, the TEAM. and then you say it was just horry and fisher.  Well who were the ones scoring all the points to keep the game close so that horry would have a chance to make a last second 3, since were on this subject you must be talking about the lakers kings playoff game where horry didnt score a single point before he made that three. In that game lakers were down by as much as 24 pts in the first half, it was a team effort by the lakers to make the game close and win.  If you really think that just fisher and horry won those close games for the lakers, you really are a dumbass and dont know anything about basketball

[jChu*]

Nope, ur point was not proven, fans will still see their favorite player playing regardless how bad the team is. People still pay tickets to see LeBron James even though the team is not the greatest, improving but yet disappointing

Well sure it doesn't really matter if they win or lose, as long as the games are sold out, owners are happy they are making $$... As long as kobe will attract fans with his ball-hog skills, i mean sure the owner will keep him as long as he can (then eventually fans will realize how stupid they were, and its time for kobe to find the next team to destroy)

and oh yeah, if you think numbers mean everything in the game of basketball, wow.... no wonder u don't understand the game

ya its funny he is a ball hog, and he won't be the greatest ever... Championship doesn't define the greatness of a single player, it defines the team, the TEAM won the championship, NOT kobe alone, which means 3 Lakers Championship doesn't mean Kobe's ball-hogness made it happen... most of the time its ROBERT HORRY, Derek Fisher making crucial plays, hitting those last second 3s to win the game. Umm wait, I don't see Kobe coming through for his teammates

First of all, when the FUCK did I say numbers mean everything???


Second, yes my point was proven. Let's review:

-Your answer to my question regarding why Phil doesn't take action in Kobe's "ball-hogging" problem was becuz Kobe generates $$.

-I then added fans would not continue to come to games to watch their team lose in which you responded that fans will still see their favorite player playing regardless how bad the team is.

-You also said if Phil bench kobe for the game... then fans won't come, owner makes no $$ = Phil Jackson fired = no $$ for Phil.

Well guess what... if the team is playing like crap and becomes one of the worst teams in the NBA, the owners will blame all the negative feedbacks from the media and fans towards the responsibility of the head coach = Phil Jackson fired = no $$ for Phil. So in the end it all comes back to my initial question, "Why isn't Phil doing anything to solve the problem?"


Lastly, do you know what   means? I'm sure you do, but in case you don't, it means that I was being sarcastic. I know it wasn't Kobe ALONE that won the 3 championships. But I'm glad you posted that last bit tho, cuz you once again proved another one of both mine and Jsmurf points, as quoted below.

How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.

[ytl]

So soley because of the triangle and fisher were the lakers able to win the 3 championships? How about the fact that he was on a team with a great starting 5 and a good bench, where he did'nt feel the need to hog the ball because there were COMPETENT players on his team at that TIME.  Doesnt matter who brought the ball down the court, the ball would eventually come into kobe's hands, and kobe being such a big part of the triangle they never would have been able to win those championships if he were to ballhog

Exactly.

You guys are acting as if Kobe has all the authority in his ball club and can do whatever the fuck he wants, when he wants... but guess what... he doesn't, the head coach does.

So my question is, if Kobe's ball-hogging and lack of teamwork is such a problem, why hasn't Phil Jackson stepped in and take control of the matter?

Answer me that before anyone else say some shit like, "Kobe needs to stop acting like a kid" or "Kobe is a ball-hog and costing his team games".

You ppl really need to take out the kobe's X from your mouth...... PJ actually doesn't like that way of playing ball.  Remember he and Kobe doesn't see each other back in the Dynasty days?  I guess you must be very forgetful...... PJ comes back more because Jerry Buss asked him to and more importantly, Jerry Buss's daughter is PJ's girlfriend.  And everyone thought Kobe would have learned his lesson for one year of no playoff.  But nop, Kobe is one determined guy, determined to go his own way.......

Quote from cnnsi.

"To be honest with you, that's not exactly the way you want to have a team win a game," said Jackson, who actually cringes every time Bryant turns a game into a one-man show. "But when you have to win a game, it's great to be able to have that weapon to do it with."

PJ makes game plan, but it's Kobe to execute the plan or not.  And he chose not to most of the time......

Oh, did I forget to mention that Kobe do have the authority in the Lakers organization because they thought they are going to build the team around Kobe?  That's why they traded Shaq away coz they think he is going to get too old and want him out before he doesn't worth shit.  Shaq and Kobe can't get along anyways, and Kobe even said he is not going to re-sign if Shaq stays.

I could give a fuck about what kobe does and your gay oral fantasies.  I never said that he is the best player in the world, i just acknowledge his talent and give credit where credit is due.
Oh and Phil doesnt like this way of playing ball? lmao. Remember phil's dynasty days? You are correct, and anybody that tries to compare Phil's dynasty days with his current shit team called that lakers must be smoking crack. please get some help

about the quote from cnnsi, ofcourse thats not how you want to win a basketball game, thats the most basic fundamental of basketball.  Kobe knows that, Phil knows that, but when you're on a shit team and your 18 pts down in the 1st qtr, phil has no choice but to unleash kobe.  Tell me where phil says that kobe disobeys his orders by taking over the game

kobe currently does have authority within the lakers, like duh, thats because he IS the lakers, nobody there cept kobe.  Do you seriously think that phil would put up with kobe's crap during the championship days, hell no, thats because he wasnt the main show.  there were many times back then when phil pulled kobe out of the game when he wasnt listening.  its not until when shaq started getting lazy that they put more focus on kobe.

Woo Wooo Woo.........  

First let me ask...... Who the FUCK are you???  Was I talking to you?  I was answering Secret Squirrel's claim about PJ didn't try to interfere and Kobe don't have the authority in the Lakers organization.  Did I accuse you for saying Kobe is the best?  NO.  

Those are straight from PJ's mouth, not mine...... let me emphasize again, I am not the one who say that.   It's Phil Jackson himself.  So stfu about that point and move on.  Case closed.  

The current Lakers team can sure archieve more if Kobe let them...... basketball players don't always get hot from the start, for example:  Chauncy Billup tonight shoot 0-6 before he starts hitting shots.  Did other Piston players stopped letting him shoot coz of that?  NO.  Is Chuancy the only players capable of getting points?  NO.

Did you check the other players' game log or stat?  Kobe is still having worse FG% after recent monster games with FG% over 50%.  Did that tell you something?  This point alone prove Kobe is not the only good player in the team.  Odom is having his WORST SEASON of his entire career except the 2 injured seasons.  This just prove how much you know about basketball.

And thanks for supporting my point to prove Secret Squirrel wrong on Kobe has all the authority in the Lakers organization.  kthxbye.

[jChu*]

Those are straight from PJ's mouth, not mine...... let me emphasize again, I am not the one who say that. It's Phil Jackson himself. So stfu about that point and move on. Case closed.

PJ makes game plan, but it's Kobe to execute the plan or not. And he chose not to most of the time......

^It was this statement that you posted that got me started on the whole authority argument, not the quote from Phil. Let me clear something up in case I might have given you the wrong idea. Kobe does have a large amount of authority over his team and teammates, he is the co-captain afterall, but not ALL... and that's where I was trying to get at. Ultimately it's Phil's decision whether or not to limit Kobe's game offensively. I just don't think Kobe has ENOUGH authority to disobey Phil's game plan and get away with it. I could go on, but like you said, case closed... let's move on.

[Jsmurf]

Woo Wooo Woo.........

First let me ask...... Who the FUCK are you??? Was I talking to you? I was answering Secret Squirrel's claim about PJ didn't try to interfere and Kobe don't have the authority in the Lakers organization. Did I accuse you for saying Kobe is the best? NO.

Those are straight from PJ's mouth, not mine...... let me emphasize again, I am not the one who say that. It's Phil Jackson himself. So stfu about that point and move on. Case closed.

The current Lakers team can sure archieve more if Kobe let them...... basketball players don't always get hot from the start, for example: Chauncy Billup tonight shoot 0-6 before he starts hitting shots. Did other Piston players stopped letting him shoot coz of that? NO. Is Chuancy the only players capable of getting points? NO.

Did you check the other players' game log or stat? Kobe is still having worse FG% after recent monster games with FG% over 50%. Did that tell you something? This point alone prove Kobe is not the only good player in the team. Odom is having his WORST SEASON of his entire career except the 2 injured seasons. This just prove how much you know about basketball.

And thanks for supporting my point to prove Secret Squirrel wrong on Kobe has all the authority in the Lakers organization. kthxbye.

its obvious the only people here giving kobe any kind of credit in the last page is ss and me.  so when you start your rant with a "you ppl" of course im gonna think you're talking to me.  tell me, if i posted "you people need to get koby's X out of your mouth" and you thought i was talking to you, how would you react?  watch what u fucken type then

about phil's quote, true thats what he said but in no way did it mean "PJ makes game plan, but it's Kobe to execute the plan or not. And he chose not to most of the time...... ", you have no proof that he is not following phil's orders because you are not on the basketball floor, thats all im trying to say

And i have never stated that this is how a basketball player should play, only saying that sometimes its necessary.  If kobe decided not to take over that "game", being down by 18 pts early on, they would have lost by 40 or something

[Mugen]

http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html

Scottie Pippen's comment on Kobe's performance. I have to agree with Pippen though.