JPHiP Forum
The PIEHOLE => H!P Crapola => Topic started by: shirenuファクトリー on August 14, 2005, 01:12:38 PM
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Watching the subbed Asayan shuffle episodes inspired this topic.
I think the old Asayan episodes make it obvious that there was huge rivalry in H!P back in the days when H!P was less than 20 members. :lol: But I'm not sure if there's been such rivalry to be seen recently. At least the girls don't seem as serious when they mention it. So has H!P changed so that there's less rivalry within it or is it still there rivalry, but it's just more difficult to spot?
If there's less rivalry, why is it that way? When did it change?
At least the shuffle groups don't sell individual singles anymore, so that takes a bit of rivalry out of it. But do the girls still compete of lead lines in group songs? Does eg. Konno do her very best in the booth every time when recording a song, hoping she'd get the spotlight?
And, finally, which members do you think worry about rivalry the most? (It's not like we know so feel free to say anyone, though some kinda explanation would be great.) How about in general - Is it the kids? Is it Momusu? Is it Country Musume :lol: ? How about soloists. Do they think "damn, I gotta sell more than that unit or else!!"?
Hahhahahah sometimes I ask too many questions.
But hey, please discuss.
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I think less rivalry came when Maki arrived. :D /maki-ism
Nahh... I think that as the years passed and as the members got to know each other better, their rivalry / selfishness was toned down a bit. I think it started at about... year 2000 or so? Can't remember.
The group shuffle lead lines on the other hand... I think that they either decide on who gets the lines or someone with more authority tell them which lines they get.
Konno... I don't exactly know, but she HAS improved a LOT since her first day, so maybe. :D
Rivalry... nah... I can't think of one as of yet. Maybe Rika and Miki though rofl.
But I wish Maki'd get better songs to sing and blast her career up... DAMN IT TSUNKU! :cry:
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Yeah. I think rivalry exists between soloists who are competing to establish the pecking order.
But since the pecking order seems to be established as Ayaya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nacchi and Maki>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else, I don't think there's a lot of that.
I wouldn't be surprised if "B" acts (Viyuden, Country Musume, Melon Kinebi, Coconuts Musume, W) saw each other as rivals though.
I really don't think MM could function as well as it does if the members were at each others throats.
I think Sayu worries about rivals since she seems to have the sort of personality that worries about being in the spotlight and getting attention. Miki because she's had popularity issues and already got her butt handed to her by Ayaya when they were both soloists. Konno just because she worries about things.
I don't think the really established ones (Rika, Yossi) with defined roles and legions of fans are worried much at all.
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I don't lnow if it's jsut me but dont U feel like Erica rivalizes with Rika for the main spot? It very visable when you comapare Erica to Yui - when Yui is just a silet folower, Erica tryes to force her own grove :lol: But thats just cute... I first thought about it waching Ajisa Making of... I don't know much japanise, so thats just an impresion I had. ;)
I agree with Asmodai on Sayu
peace!
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Let's just hope that any "rivalry" between anyone in H!P is not of the negative sort. When you have a negative rivalry, it would be something along the lines of what apparently has gone on between Hamasaki Ayumi and Amuro Namie or between Eminem and Moby, where both sides speak badly of one another.
On the other hand, one can have a friendly rivalry, where both sides/all sides encourage and push each other to perform better and to improve themselves. If there's any type of rivalry, I'm personally hoping it's the latter.
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Lately I've noticed Berryz Kobo has rivalry. :o Berryz members are the only members in H!P I've recently seen get seriously upset after losing a battle. They actually cry and the disappointment on their faces is obvious. It's... Exciting!!
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To a certain extend rivalry does exist with members of group and soloists, but you know often having rivalry is the way to push them up into the next level.
Think about if there's no rivalry and all the members in H!P just maintain the same way they were first joined, then we will get bored of them and won't like H!P anymore!
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Just looking at the 50 questions/50 answers thing and the rival question, 28 of the girls said their selves were their rivals or a family member/classmate. They were mostly the older girls. These are the ones who "had" rivals. * mean they were kinda questioning if they had one.
Umeda Erika (Aa!)
Shimizu Saki (Aa!)
Chinami (Everyone)
Murakami Megumi (Shimizu)
Miyabi (Everyone)
Nakajima Saki (Rika)
Maimai (HPK)
Chisato ("You're my rival!")
Miuna (Her sempai)
Masae (Looking for one)*
Maeda (Everyone, but wants to be her own rival)*
Reina (Goto)
Kamei (Everyone)
Risa (5th gen.)*
Konno (A secret)
Takahashi (Ayaya)
Tsuji (Ayaya)
I LOVE Miki's response b/c she said there isn't anyone worthy to be her rival :lol:
Just looking at that, it'd be neat to have C-ute VS Berryz releasing b/c they seem to feel a rivalry b/c they're so young.
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I know very well but I think When the price is Meat reina is the most competitive :P
i think rivalry exits in musume sayu always say she's the most cute
in H!M reina always says zettai makenai
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5th Gen = peace.
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5th Gen = peace.
is that why they're the ones that took the longest to stand out? :lol:
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5th Gen = peace.
is that why they're the ones who never stood out in MM? :lol:
Fixed.
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I don't know if there's any real rivalry in H!P anymore. Maybe if Tsunku wants so = if rivalry means more money flow somehow. I don't count cute "I'll try my best so maybe some day I could be the one who gets the spotlight!" as real ruthless rivalry :)
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:lol:
I swear there's some true rivalry in Berryz!!!
At least Chinami >< Momoko. Miyabi hates losing, too. Every time you watch a FC DVD with Berryz having games, someone cries over losing and at least one member looks upset at some point. And in other videos you can see them get upset, too. That's one of the reasons why Berryz is so damn interesting to me :o And I'm glad UFA chooses to show these bits.
...Damnit, when was the last time we even saw a Momusu member cry on HM over losing? -.-" There appears to be zero tension now and it's boring...
Some healthy rivalry is good for you! :D
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Watching Hello Morning subbed, it seems aparent, and justified that the Miki/Rika rivalry is still on and boiling.
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5th Gen = peace.
is that why they're the ones who never stood out in MM? :lol:
Fixed.
+1!
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Watching Hello Morning subbed, it seems aparent, and justified that the Miki/Rika rivalry is still on and boiling.
It took you subs to realize that? The tension between them is so hot. :twisted:
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It took you subs to realize that? The tension between them is so hot.
Nope, never been good at reading the subliminal implications when everything is in Japanese. :)
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All I have to say is this バーカ
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Why is it written in katakana :o Not a Japanese word? :o
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Katana is often simply used for emphasis, just like italics.
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OOOOOOHHHH I SEE :o Thanks!
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imho, rivalry itself can take a member to a new level.... hp members without the feeling to beat their rivals wont progress that much... look at shigesan now, imo she's progressing a lot more faster after koharu joined. maybe her feeling of rivalry towards koharu is there, and as her mentor, she needs to keep up with the ever growing koharu.. who knows?
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i dont really think theres sucha competition between the girls.. well except for miki ( which is so obvious ).. i think most of them just trying not to be left behind.. like they dont want to beat the crap out of the other girls or gain more popular but its like just trying to update themselves so that they can keep up with the pace that the other girls are in...and i think this is what makes them very good in working together as a group...
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Funny that Miki said she has no rival. Singing-wise, she is doesn't have too many. Personality-wise, there are just too many to name... for sure are Rika and Abe. :x
Anyway, the only rival in MM nowaday are those game contests. Tsunku should do something about that. Maybe he is too busy managing those girls in Berryz. One already drop out.
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Miki doesn't think she has any rivals because she doesn't think the others are worthy to be her rivals. :P
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Miki doesn't think she has any rivals because she doesn't think the others are worthy to be her rivals. :P
hahahah!! could ayaya be a rival for her now? ayaya is more than worthy.
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Yaguchi vs Michaike, maybe?
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Miki doesn't think she has any rivals because she doesn't think the others are worthy to be her rivals. :P
:lol: That could be true, but I think remember way back when she said her rival is Ayaya. Personality wise, I think her only rival is Ayaya, from my point of view anyway, I digress....it's cuz they're like the complete opposite, plus Miki turns 180 degree whenever she's with Aya! Puppy Miki and Mistress Ayaya. :mon XD:
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Well, still any observations of rivalry in current H!P??
I haven't watched any Berryz DVDs in ages. Do they still have rivalry or does it go away with age? That'd be so sad ;__;
Ahh if there only was hope for rivalry in the future of H!P :O I hope that keeping Eggs in the background for a few years sparks that little flame of "when I finally get a chance, I'm gonna fucking pwn everyone" in them. I believe I can see it in Nocchi and Sawachan in Ongaku Gatas; I'd be curious to see more Eggs to debut to see if they have the fire and passion in them! BRING ON THE RIVALRY! AIM FOR THE STARS!
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I dunno much about the Eggs, but i think they have a strong rivalry mentality towards the veterans of H!P. i'm not basing my thoughts on anything, it's just a thought that juniors would want to someday reach the top like their respective seniors, either as equal or even to surpass them.
i heard from several attendees and fans of Eggs that the girls gave a great performance of LOVE MACHINE @ the H!P Awards 2008 concert, and been good overall, although i don't follow them that much, i'm expecting a good career from them in the near future. hope UFA and Tsunku train them hard. and hope that the other H!P members feel the heat these girls are bringing/ gonna bring and train them hard too.
Afterall, isn't rivalry and competition builds strength and confidence, which benefits all in the end. hope it friendly rivalry though, u know...
Strong and intense rivalry helps a person grows and mature but only with a strong mentality and right mindset. if u don't, then it'll only ruins a person's confidence and they'll start doing poorly.
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I think Ishikawa needs competition, that's why they put her in Viyuden... She would not have done well as a soloist....
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(Dreaming) Since Viyuden is disbanding, and Mikitty is back out... what if Rika and Miki could get it together again. And to see who should be on top~ :inlove:
And, for lack of creativeness, the group will be Great Ishikawa and Fujimoto. or GIF!
P.S. when did this old post fly back up! :w00t:
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Hmmmpf :gmon getout:
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(Dreaming) Since Viyuden is disbanding, and Mikitty is back out... what if Rika and Miki could get it together again. And to see who should be on top~ :inlove:
That would be interesting. They can graduate Kamei and put her in this unit too, because I liked her voice in combination with Rika's when they sang morning coffee on some tour..
I was watching some old clips and I think Konno and Niigaki didn't get along that well. At least from Konno's site, she was 'negative' about Gaki in at least two occasions.. nothing serious, but still.. speculation is fun haha.
And how does Aika fit in with the current group? Aika was really bugging Reina on some H!M when she wanted to promote her new (at the time) PB.
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In Reina's radio show, she talked about going to Aika's house and eating good food. She plans to make future visits as well. I think this is the kouhai Reina wanted. Before Koharu entered, Reina said she wants to be friends and help who ever wins the 7th gen audition but I don't think Reina is that into Koharu as she hoped. The tradition of type O blood sticking together still stands in MM. :lol:
What's entertaining for me is the rivalry between Koharu and Aika. Like when Aika says something like, "I'm gonna beat Kusumi-san" or when Koharu wants to do what Aika did but the members are saying, "Koharu? No way!".
Ai lost her rival and the person she looks up to. So I wonder what's fuelling her now? I'm sure being leader added a lot of new challenges.
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On the last Hm@ (08-04-13), there was a bit of rivalry between Junjun and Mitsui :D
Mitsui was the only one who didn't give a star for Junjun, and Jun was all "Oh, I don't care/mind because it's Mitsui.". The host suggested a battle between both, and Mitsui was "With that charai (someone who doesn't take things seriously, and also someone who gets in bed easily XD) woman..."
Before anyone says anything, Miki told Mitsui to tone her humbleness down, and KameShige also told her so. So she's just listening to her senpais o/
This kind of honest (but not obssesive) interaction between MM members is what keeps me interested in them :3 on the past months at times it really seemed like it was just a group of soloists working together (hello moutube...), but now things are looking better. Oh and on the next MF episode, looks like there's some more Jun VS Aika again.
(http://www.imgur.com/files/080414/Th.resonant_mfpreview.jpg) (http://www.imgur.com/i.php?i=080414/resonant_mfpreview.jpg)
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I think it's good to have rivalry ~
Aika VS Jun the Beauty Queen VS Lin the Actress/MC
XD
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^^ And it goes on...
The rivalry was steeped up a fair bit this week and damn, you could see they were taking it seriously! I just hope they carry it on during the show rather than the producers forgetting the whole thing never happened. Is good to see a a bit o' banter between the girls.