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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1500 on: June 23, 2012, 02:27:36 AM »
http://www.japan-expo.com/en/contenu/showgate-movies_826.htm

Gomennasai movie will be played at Japan Expo.
It's Buono! main, but Karen has a role there. Not much but you can watch her plays as a wicked sister :twisted: and got cursed  :bleed eyes:

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1501 on: June 24, 2012, 06:13:45 AM »
GIRLS FACTORY


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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1502 on: June 26, 2012, 02:25:20 AM »

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1503 on: June 26, 2012, 07:10:28 AM »


1ki sei  :bow:

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1504 on: June 26, 2012, 10:13:27 AM »

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1505 on: June 27, 2012, 06:44:35 AM »
Suuchan's grad concert  :yep:


And another Amimi & Aichan's regular show


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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1506 on: June 29, 2012, 03:14:54 AM »
I have a random rant about the staff heavily pushing Kikuchi in the TV show.

Now, I know what their thinking is, they want to showcase Kikuchi so that more people would tune into the show.

But, such thinking process seems very undisciplined and rash in my opinion.

I surely can understand if Kikuchi is showcased a little more than before, but the current rate is simply ridiculous. The TV show has now had about 10 episodes of Ami-Talk vs. say DJ Rukaede which only had one episode, it's more of a proof that the staff is out of ideas.

It's probably doing more bad than good as well, the current Idoling fans who like the other 20 members rather than Kikuchi are simply stuck watching her talk forever just get a few seconds' of glimpse of the other members. This tactic simply is alienating these fans.

Kikuchi is quite active as a solo act outside the Idoling show, the last thing she probably needs is for the staff to over-push her within Idoling show as well, that's really not what Idoling is about, if they want to showcase Kikuchi that much, she is better off graduating, changing the dynamics of Idoling just for her is an over-kill.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1507 on: June 29, 2012, 05:58:56 AM »
I'm fine with it.
Hii-chan never talked and reacted that much other than on Amitalk.
Plus it cleared away rumor about bad relationship between Ton-chan and Hii-chan, thanks to the gyoza, disney, and starbucks talks. Though those were so boring as a topic.
Plus Kaoru's "Minasuberi" surfaced because of Amitalk. Hii-chan and Asahi even got it's own topic.
It helped me learn more about members personality at the expense of more camera time for Amimi.
It was all fun and worthy.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1508 on: June 29, 2012, 06:36:56 AM »
^ That!  :thumbup
And i don't think Amimi's screentime is that much in those episodes anyway  :roll:

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1509 on: June 29, 2012, 07:28:25 AM »
I never had an impression that Miyake and Asahi needed help by Kikuchi to get the spotlight, their characters are one of the most established ones already.

I would say the ones needed help are Goto and Nagano, but why should Kikuchi even butt in, is she that superior in the wisdom of idol-ism? It's fine that some members are more reserved than the others. I don't think it's Kikuchi's place to decide which member should talk more, it's really none of her business.

Just because she's popular as solo doesn't mean her character should be the standard. Idoling was fine before Kikuchi decided to play producer.

Ask yourself this, would you be still ok if Kikuchi was not popular, but still got pushed? Probably not, that's like Nomoto getting the MC gig. I guess mainstream popularity gets her a free pass on anything. Whatever happen to the member equality tradition of Idoling?

Ami-talk should've ended with the one where Kikuchi cried, the small talk material is good only for uRa Idoling.


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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1510 on: June 29, 2012, 09:44:50 AM »
I think Ami-Talk generated a lot great moments and helped profile some members' characters, but I have the feeling that they've nearly exhausted its entertaining potential. They should reduce the frequency of the segment and only bring it back with really good topics.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1511 on: June 29, 2012, 11:43:32 AM »
^ They do presented a good topic this week though with the whole overweight thing  :P


Ask yourself this, would you be still ok if Kikuchi was not popular, but still got pushed? Probably not, that's like Nomoto getting the MC gig.


If she got what it takes to be pushed, why not?  that's why you'll never see Nomoto in Kikuchi's spot right now   :lol:

And in case anyone wondering, i'm not a fan of Amimi, not yet at least 

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1512 on: June 29, 2012, 12:24:57 PM »
Amimi's talking skill was already there even before she got popular.
Anyone who has talking skill as good as Amimi, I can accept.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1513 on: June 29, 2012, 12:57:05 PM »
I agree with Jenus with the Amimi thing. I feel she is overdoing what she's supposed to do. She's supposed to use her skill to give other members chance to participate in talks, not butt in right in the middle of other people's turn. Until she realized this, she would not be my preferred choice of MC. An MC's job is to let other people shine and to support the casts during talks.

I guess she feel the pressure is on her to make the show interesting. I think it's better for her to sit back for a while and give other member some chance to shine. It's not like Idoling!!! is only about her, there are other members with their own specialty that needs to get out of her shadow.

I was disappointed that the MC for Yubi Matsuri was mostly her talking, not the leader Maipuru. I guess it was the staffs' choice since she is the most recognizable name in Idoling!!! right now.

It's not like I hate her but I hate what she is becoming.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1514 on: June 29, 2012, 01:46:23 PM »
There seems to be some differences on how we perceived her MCs in the show. What some of you takes it as she's 'butting in' others,
some other including me takes it as Amimi just doing her job as an MC. Well, to each his own i guess.
^ But yeah, in concern of her taking all the spotlight in the concert is another thing though. I agree that she takes too much of it (judging from the audio recording)

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1515 on: June 29, 2012, 05:23:14 PM »
To be clear, I don't have a problem with Kikuchi doing the MC, it's the rate in which she's being pushed into the gig that is rubbing me the wrong way. I would have just as much problem if Maipuru gets 10 episodes featuring her vocal, surely her vocal deserved to be showcased, but not in such a context.

The blame rests solely with the staff, but I must say Kikuchi's approach in presenting Ami-talk is not helping either, instead of saying "Ami-talk is a segment where I want to let some members to talk more.", she should've said "Ami-talk is a segment where interesting topics among the members are presented and discussed." It's little things like that where she totally gives away her true nature of having a superiority complex. Kikuchi's recent troubles of getting into a quarrel with a fan on Twitter further illustrates that. I mean, what kind of idol picks a fight with a fan? That's just a total head-shaker incident and a big black eye for Idoling at the expense of Kikuchi's careless action.

I have no doubts that Idoling as we knew before Kikuchi took over will be destroyed if this keeps up. I am truly lost for words as to why the staff ever thought that pushing Kikuchi over the other 20 members like that is even a good thing when it clearly isn't. I have lost total confidence in the staff, well the seed was planted with the whole 5th gen. audition debacle.

I used to have prided in myself in liking Idoling because they were daring and real with their raw material and ideas with no regard for seeking fame, but now it seems like all they are doing is mimicking AKB and catering hard-core to the mainstream popularity and selling themselves out. I think the 15 minutes of fame desperation has gotten into the staff's head. Truly sad.

I'm sorry for all the negative comments, but that's just how I really feel at the moment.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1516 on: June 29, 2012, 05:28:04 PM »
95% of the time Amimi appears on a variety show, she is credited as being a member of Idoling!!! The amount of mainstream exposure that Amimi brings to the group through her hard work honing her 'talk' skills as a variety talent is invaluable.

She deserves all the face time she gets on the Idoling!!! program. And as SuzukiRyo points out, her MC-ing does help bring out other members' personalities. And I don't get the vibe that she's in Idoling!!! for self-promotion; I still feel that she genuinely cares for the group.

Another angle to consider is succession planning. Maipuru is already 23. She needs to graduate some day. When she does, the group will need a new talking head to be the 'face' of Idoling!!! for interviews and so forth. Although one can make the case that Amimi is already playing that role.

And speaking of which, I wonder who else in Idoling!!! has good enough 'talk' skills to hold their own in a variety program by themselves? The list is short: Maipuru, Ton-chan, Sakacchi. Maybe Umeko? I would say Manami has potential, but she's still too young to be taken seriously enough.

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1517 on: June 29, 2012, 05:44:24 PM »
Honesty, i liked previous episodes when few members presented special topics, for example RuKaede, Minasuberi with Kaorun as a subject, Or 5th-gen focused theme. But yet, Ami Talk again and again... I dunno about Kado-P or Mori-D plan, but for me that's boring.  :( They should did like 2009 & 2010 episodes, so colorful,  lots of new ideas. Sorry for my harsh comment  :)

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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1518 on: June 29, 2012, 06:07:59 PM »
Whether Kikuchi's mainstream exposure translates into benefiting Idoling's brand status and popularity remains to bee seen, next single may be a good barometer I suppose, but it's one thing for Kikuchi to be liked by the various TV show staffs and getting the invites, it's quite another for Kikuchi to be claimed as a household name, I don't think she's there yet. I would say Kawashima Umika of 9nine is known a lot more in the mainstream than Kikuchi is, but 9nine is no where near the popularity level that it should have with Umika as a member.

No one member should be pushed that much at the expense of the whole group, that's just not Idoling-like. And let's not over-value Kikuchi's MC brining out other members' personality thing, there are plenty of other segments where members' personalities are showcased even stronger. Take Miyake for example, the only impression I have of her in any Ami-talk segment is her just talking. But in other segments I've seen her cry (candid camera), hop in joy (2 point last place exam episode), lose her cool (scolding Yuna), overjoyed (Valentine cake winner), showing off her flexible joints frog leg style (hip circle), talking like a baby (fansama request), among others that are far more memorable. Ami-talk segments for the most part are bland and trivial but they keep doing Ami-talk, how is that a good thing to keep doing low quality segments?

Believing whether it's the self-promotion of Kikuchi or not is not the issue, but it's very clear that promoting of Kikuchi is the intent of the staff by featuring Ami-talk so frequently. Not only is that a bad thing for the whole group's dynamic, they are sacrificing quality for 15 minutes of fame as most Ami-talk segments are boring.

I honestly don't feel that the leadership position is a matter of concern, I don't take much stock in it. But age-wise Kikuchi is not young either at 21 becoming 22 this year, in fact her looks have deteriorated quite a bit over the past year due to fatigue I suppose. But considering that Maipuru will name the next leader, I would be shocked if she picks Kikuchi. But I sense that the staff will intervene in some way and make Kikuchi the leader somehow because the staff is a sellout at this point and anything for 15 minutes of fame stance of theirs.

For the sake of your sanity, stop over-valuing Kikuchi's character, talking skill is not a necessity for an idol to become popular, AKB's Maeda Atsuko doesn't even talk much and she's the all-time center.

As far as variety goes, I would put Asahi on the top of the list, I can't quite describe what it is about Asahi, but she's just hell a lot funnier than Kikuchi ever could be. On the next-tier would be Maipuru but she's more of a MC-type, Tachibana is quite talkative and funny and a better all-rounder than Kikuchi, Kaede by herself is quite entertaining, but with Ruka combo they are incredibly funny. Umeko and Sakacchi are just too specialized, and they have a tendency to disappear in away outings. I sense that Yuna is trying very hard to go to the front, but I'm not too high on her.
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Re: The Idoling!!! Discussion Thread
« Reply #1519 on: June 30, 2012, 11:06:02 AM »
Just in case, Nicohachi live starts in 25 minutes  :D
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv96658351

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