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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2009, 06:21:18 PM »
lajon & wotachan: RUDE >:|

This is a sad moment to many, which makes it one of those "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" times...

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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2009, 06:37:58 PM »
*Sigh*
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2009, 06:40:28 PM »
^^ It might be sad to some, its something I have waited for for some time now.

I might actually get interested in MM again if they manage to get back to the manpower days (and before) and have more upbeat songs

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2009, 06:42:09 PM »
I might actually get interested in MM again if they manage to get back to the manpower days (and before) and have more upbeat songs
...And that has WHAT to do with Koharu?? LOL
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2009, 06:48:03 PM »
This must've been a sudden decision on her part. UF still included her in the new 2010 calendar, unlike Erika.

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2009, 06:50:33 PM »
^^ Manpower was the last single before Koharu joined. They actually sang it on a stage on her school there when she was selected in that on/off/retry selection process of her.

Its the milstone for me where MM went downhill fast.

Manpower also had fun moments (remember the Ai-growl?)

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2009, 06:53:20 PM »
This is...I'm not sure how to react. I've got plenty to say, but none of it really captures how I feel about this, because even I'm not sure how I feel about this.

In hindsight, as close as all of the members seem today, Koharu did seem a bit more on her own, even more so than Reina, who could hang out with pretty much anybody in MM sans Lin without awkwardness. On the other hand, the Koharu-Chun fights were just about the only definite chemistry I saw from Koharu. With everyone else, there was a bit of an air of "And that was Koharu", before going to hang out with another member with better results. And most of her big moments with MM would be more about the group laughing at her(or putting her down) instead of with. You could feel the tangible gap in DVD Mag. 23, where Koharu's comments were all pretty introspective, the kind that you get from watching from outside, while the member's comments about her weren't all that personal either. What with more than half of the comments being nothing more than variations of "noisy", being everyone's verbal whipping post for the sake of mood can't have been that much fun.

And of course, even though she did a great job being the one on a permanent sugar high, most people knew her idol was Fujimoto, and that she stated that she wanted that kind of cool image. That side of her has been appearing in spurts now, having one of the best faces in Naichau, and in general being much more sedate in backstage footage. Niigaki mentioned that she never shows it if she's depressed, so maybe she's tired of having to be the mood-maker all of the time.
(Which is why I'm worried about Maeda, who's been displaying her own frustrations about being railroaded into uber-idolness)

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2009, 07:10:44 PM »
and then there were 8....

Lil Koha is graduating, how unexpected, how saddening, how... the emotions i feel right now about this is indescribable Koha was not my favorite and i joked about her odd sugar-rush behavior but thats what i liked most about her... she was koharu nothing more nothing less and she was awesome.  I'm definitely going to miss her and wish her luck
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2009, 07:15:24 PM »
when I first started in H!P...I got started when she was was in the auditions..I didn't care much for her then, but now I do and it's just... :cry:

I'm sorry....

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2009, 07:39:47 PM »
I agree with Rayle on the lack of interactive chemistry Koharu seemed to have with the rest of MM from what little I've paid attention to her.  I'm not a fan, but I'm not a hater either.

Heck, my 10 second interaction with her at AX had more chemistry in that she actually teased me, which is more than what I've seen her do with the other MM girls.  [bgcolor=#000000]Reina was working on my autograph in her self-admittedly slow pace so seeing that Koha was on stand by, so I went ahead and gave her my pic to sign.  Both of them finished at the same time and handed it to me in a comical moment and Koha immediately whipped hers back as if to hold it hostage.   :) [/bgcolor]

While watching TFG2, I couldn't help but notice that she didn't interact as much with the other girls in a key moment.  [bgcolor=#000000]Spoiler:  I loved the entire Arcade 6 segment, from beginning to end since that's the stuff of legends, but I noticed in the celebration of Reina's dart throw that she didn't rush up with the other girls for a group hug.  Even the pandas even celebrated with each other first while Koha just stood there and clapped.  Junjun even pushed her forward towards the rest of the group to celebrate.[/bgcolor]

But during the show, I did think she was incredibly beautiful.  I can see modeling being very viable.  When it became public early on that she didn't want to be cutesy, I'm not surprise that when she reached an age of feeling like she could start making real career decisions, that the idol path may not be for her given what her MM/HP career has been like so far.

Saying that there's some sort of cover up for a scandal indicates that she wouldn't want to leave.  While the possibility of a scandal is always there, I hardly picture her crying in a corner over this announcement.

So best of luck to her!   :twothumbs
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2009, 07:40:50 PM »
Bummer. :/

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2009, 07:58:35 PM »
I don't think graduations surprise me anymore.  This is the nature of Morning Musume, Hello! Project, the entertainment industry in general, and life itself.  Everything that starts has to end, and the schedule is different for everybody.  If no one left the group, where would we be now?

But that's not the reason I'm not surprised in this case.
Didn't Tsunku say some time ago that there wouldn't be more than 10 members in Morning Musume again?
Combine that statement with the 2010 auditions that he alluded to at AX, and this makes more sense.
If no one left, we'd have another ballooning in members, which if you remember 2003-2004, was a little unwieldy.

Is it sad? Sure.  Graduating from high school is sad too, but ultimately everyone goes on to pursue bigger and better things.

So, assuming that the statements released are truthful, here is what I'm taking from this:

Things you should be glad about
-Koharu isn't leaving in disgrace.  If you think about previous scandals, this could be a LOT worse.
-When she leaves, it seems likely that you will see her again in the future.
-She is supposedly leaving to pursue her own goals.
-If she does come back to sing, she'll be solo.
-There doesn't seem to be any news of her leaving UFA, just H!P.  Her situation will be the same as all the Elder Club graduates.  (Still keeps seniority and such)
-Even if she's leaving H!P, there has been precedent for members coming back. (Konno)
-If she chooses, this gives her room to change her image more to her liking.  When members aren't free to do that, you've seen what can happen. (Kago)
-Morning Musume still goes on and will have room for more new members when auditions come up. (next year, if Tsunku at AX is to be believed)
-Other Morning Musume girls will have a chance to be part of the Takahashi/Tanaka/?? front girl trio. (Right now, this is looking like Eri to me.)

Things to be sad about
-You won't see her as often, if at all, at least in the short term.
-There is a risk that she'll drop out from show business and you won't see her at all.
-Morning Musume will be different. Not really something sad though, it's more of an inevitability.  Though, I can see how this could be devastating if you're a fan of the girl and not of the group.

Admittedly, I'm having trouble thinking of things to be too sad about.  I guess living with my own favorite member leaving H!P altogether for a period of time has given me that kind of perspective.  I just can't make myself see this as a disaster, since it's happened so many times before and I can't remember any 100% negative results. I'd rather be glad for the girl I like making her own decisions about her future than be spiteful towards those who may not even have been involved. (UFA Management, Tsunku, boyfriend who may not exist)  You see, I'm not just a Konno fan, I'm also a Rika fan, an Eri fan, a Junjun fan, and probably most importantly, a Morning Musume fan.  If Konno were still in the group, I don't think my support for the others would have grown as it has.

Having seen what post-grad careers can be like, I guess I'm not too sad about graduations anymore.  These girls have a habit of sticking around and sticking together.  With few exceptions, the things that they say they will pursue after graduation have been truthful and what they actually go on to pursue.

If some random girl's career peaks at age 12 and then for the rest of her life her career didn't go anywhere, I'd frankly be a little sad for her.  Boys and girls be ambitious!  Be happy that Koharu at least seems to have career goals to head toward.  I know I am, and frankly thinking otherwise seems to me just a little bit selfish.
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2009, 08:11:27 PM »
THIS IS A SHOCK!  I have just open up to her, too.  Was never really a fan... though always thought she is cute and pretty.  I had just begin to like her after seeing her @ AX.   I think I'm gonna miss her.  though being a model probably suits her, she quite tall for her age, certainly among the MoMusu members, and is quite beautiful.  She definitely has the looks.  GANBARE-YO, KOHARU!

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2009, 08:11:27 PM »
Whoa.

Modeling? Yeah right. This is just too sudden, I think there must be something behind it, not just that "Oh, I wanna model now".

Maybe it's like the rumour about Konno's & Makoto's grads...



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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2009, 08:13:35 PM »
Well, I never liked her that much, but she's been part of the band for so long, so I'm kinda used to having her around...  :)

This is so sudden, and my very first thought was a boyfriend. Just as shirenu.  :roll:

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2009, 08:47:22 PM »
i admit i haven't been keeping up with the group lately, but this is a shock to me too, mainly because i remember when she joined. i remember defender her against the haters.  oh well, i wish her the best  :heart:

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2009, 09:33:41 PM »
I don't know if I agree with the whole scandal theory. I mean it's a possibility but I think that mostly they have just had the same members for too long and they need to graduate someone and she's the easiest person. The only thing is the fast timing is suspicious.

 Koharu and the 8th gen are the most disposable in the group and it would be too suspicious to get rid of anyone in 8th gen since they were the last people to join. Ai's been there forever but the group dynamics would change too much if they tried to get rid of her before they even added new members. Risa could go but without Risa Ai probably wouldn't stick around too long since Risa is one of the only people in the group that gets Ai and she helps her a lot as subleader. Tsunku is really impressed with Eri lately so he's not likely to let her go. Reina's situation is pretty much the same as Ai's. He's unlikely to let her go until more girls have been added and things have calmed down. Sayumi is bringing in way too much popularity to get rid of her. With all the shows she's been on lately she's giving the group great publicity. That leaves Koharu. Out of all the girls Koharu is the most outcasted. It probably has to do with the fact that she had to spend so much time on her own doing Kirarin Revolution. Now that the show is over it kind of seems like Koharu is wondering around without a purpose. The show started not long after she joined so that was pretty much her whole identity. Now that it's over she kind of has to reinvent herself so she might as well be the person graduated.

This is of course all just my theory. I will miss Koharu greatly as she is definitely one of favorite member but hopefully she will be happy. She would make a great model if she does decide to pursue that career.

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2009, 09:34:30 PM »
Although I haven't followed H!P at all in years, I too found this quite surprising. Not that she's graduating, but the sudden-ness of it.

I'm inclined to think suspiciously like Shirenu that this may be penile work... XD  Avoiding the scandal before it comes... It coouuuld be just for modeling, but then why so sudden?  and why fully leave H!P?  O_o

I don't see why she couldn't model more while still being on the agency. I don't really know how these things work, but I'd think UFA could've gotten her more modeling jobs so that she could start building her image and skills as a model, and then eventually she'd be able to stand on her own with that established modeling career. It just seems weird for her to just drop everything and jump into a new career without a more gradual transition. Although i guess the girls already do quite some modeling with all the PB's and official UFA pics, but it depends on what kind of model she's gonna aim to be. At least she's cute and pretty compared to many models i see on jap magazines.

Another thing that makes me suspicious is, is the H!P administration really THAAAT understanding and sweet and good that just because she wants to do modeling they let her graduate so suddenly? Don't these girls have contracts? Doesn't Koharu have enough of a big fanbase for her leaving to make them lose some money? I honesly don't have a clue to the answers of these questions. But I find it extremely weird that the girls could just go to the agency and say "hey, now i feel like pursuing a different direction by myself" and they'd go "oh, ok, let's have you graduate then so that you can fulfill your dreams!". Come on... I bet a couple of previous members would've left before their designated graduation times if it was that simple...

Oh well, much success to her. I didn't care about H!P anymore anyway, but even then can't deny that it's surprising.

Maybe it's like the rumour about Konno's & Makoto's grads...

What's that rumor? =O
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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2009, 09:56:17 PM »
I felt pretty  :shocked: when I saw this...I still remember when she joined and I didn't think she would be graduating so soon D: orz

My thoughts on the reasons for this: In Tsunku's statement he said Koharu would be getting private lessons. I don't think that she would be doing those lessons if this was because of a scandal, and while she'll leave H!P it doesn't seem like she's leaving UFA altogether. Plus there's been no rumors of any scandal with her.

I'm thinking it's more like what Slack said, Tsunku wants to have 9th gen auditions next year, but doesn't want more than 10 people in the group so he decided to graduate someone, and seeing how Koharu was pretty successful as a solo singer with Kirarin Revolution and all that, decided that she would be a good choice to graduate and have her develop her own solo career not attached to KR (Koharu herself might also have had some input in this decision).

Though it still feels so sudden, like with any graduation I wish Koha the best. She wasn't my favorite but I didn't hate her like so many people did. And I did enjoy some of her songs, particularly Balalaika. I hope those lessons pay off and she'll be able to further her career whether as a model, a singer or both.

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Re: [News] Kusumi Koharu graduating from Momusu/H!P
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2009, 10:00:20 PM »
I just listened to the leaked nine smiles concert thing. Koharu doesnt sound too sad about leaving lol.

i think shes just not as close to the other members. personality clash? prolly

no ones high 5ing her  :lol:

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