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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2012, 05:05:19 AM »
Ichigo Gyuunyuu PV its my song type.  :heart:  :thumbup school uniform reminds me a lot of things +1 fot that.
One Up! PV is a radical change about the concept to Idoling!!!, but i like this change.

PD: damn i have a double work with these PVs.  :panic:. , karaoke versions will be release soon (next week maybe). i am having final exams this week and im very busy.  :angry:

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #81 on: July 17, 2012, 09:48:30 AM »
Even if they would release something "full" and "complete", they still wouldn't suddenly sell 1 million copies.
Let's say, if A*B had never released Heavy Rotation (or any one of the other million sellers), but Idoling!!! released that song right now, no way it would sell that same amount of copies. I've noticed that idol groups always grow over time and never have a sudden hit that 10-folds their previous single. It's just that Idoling!!! seems to grow really slow...

But I don't mind that, I like Idoling!!! for what they are right now (and have always been), and I cheer on every bit more success they can achieve each time!  :thumbup :twothumbs


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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #82 on: July 17, 2012, 10:04:17 AM »
Even if they would release something "full" and "complete", they still wouldn't suddenly sell 1 million copies.
Let's say, if A*B had never released Heavy Rotation (or any one of the other million sellers), but Idoling!!! released that song right now, no way it would sell that same amount of copies. I've noticed that idol groups always grow over time and never have a sudden hit that 10-folds their previous single. It's just that Idoling!!! seems to grow really slow...

But I don't mind that, I like Idoling!!! for what they are right now (and have always been), and I cheer on every bit more success they can achieve each time!  :thumbup :twothumbs

100% agree!!! Some people might like idol group because they popular, cute/kawaii, funny. It's ok, but for me Idoling!!! can represent an unique & ideal Idol for me  :twothumbs :twothumbs Although they're not the cutest, most popular, funniest, etc. I  :heart: Idoling!!!

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2012, 03:38:51 PM »
It's not just music that determines the fate of an idol group, to be honest I don't think music itself matters that much, maybe 10% of all the factors. It's just that Idoling used to have very good music for an idol group aided by the fact that they actually have very good vocals and unique songs that also used to utilize the vocal abilities.

The biggest problem I see in Idoling from becoming a hit is really marketing strategy or lack thereof, and incredibly bad timing. In my mind Maipuru should've been given at least three solo or duet songs in the album CDs by now, and should've had a solo concert 2 years ago, the staff has totally missed the opportunity to fully take advantage of Maipuru's talents while she was still young. The same could be said of Rurika more or less. The lack of promotion and development of the individual member in the right time just never seems to materialize until it's kind of a bit late and have the fans wondering why the staff isn't being proactive enough.

They are making the same slow reaction with Asahi more or less as well, Asahi was much cuter when she first joined Idoling, she should've been pushed 2 years ago instead of now where she's not that cute any more and no longer a magazine model, a little too late.

I'm not advocating that youth is superior, it's just that the peak period for an idol tends to be when they are younger rather than older. It's much easier to get attention with just looks at a younger age, when an idol goes over 20 years old looks alone simply won't be as effective. What the staff really needs to do is specialize the roles for the members that tailor to their strength AT THEIR PEAK PERIOD. Instead of simply putting Asahi, Maipuru, Yuna, and Aichan in every PV scene possible and having the subpar vocal members singing the coupling songs which yield unimpressive and less than ideal quality in the outcome, have the younger members with looks to represent the youthful PV with Kaepyon, Karen, Ruka, Yuna, Kurumi, then have the vocalist members belt the lines for the main vocals and that formula would produce a much more visually sensible PV and a spectacular sounding song.

The fact that Morning Musume managed to double the single sales from last time isn't because of the song itself, but because of the super-extra promotional efforts, and it seems like they have jumped on the hand-shake event tactics as well. Tsunku is very good at promoting the younger members at the right moments, although I feel that sometimes they are being pushed way over the top, but at least the younger members get their share of the spotlight instead of being shoved into the background for 2 years or so like Idoling does. When I looked at the comments on YouTube, Morning Musume is getting new fans by watching the younger members, not Michishige.

While there are many faults to be found in Idoling's system, what I find very worthy about them is that their chemistry with each other is one of a kind, there's a genuine quality to it that simply can't be found in other groups. And there's no question in my mind that Idoling is the funniest idol group of all, it's a shame that the Japanese public and the idol culture simply don't hold humor and comedy very highly in the idol industry.

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2012, 05:32:22 PM »
^god damn  :inlove:
How can i get that poster?  :drool:

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2012, 05:41:10 PM »
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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2012, 06:38:47 PM »
And of course nothing when you order from CDJapan. :(

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2012, 07:28:40 PM »
Damn, I want that poster...  :w00t: :drool:
but only at Tower Records...  :panic: :panic: :panic:

which means...

*putting it on my to-buy-at-TRIO list*

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2012, 08:01:40 PM »
The biggest problem I see in Idoling from becoming a hit is really marketing strategy or lack thereof

This is a good point. When I was in Japan I went to all the usual CD Shops and idol goods shops, but there was a distinct lack of Idoling. Trio in Akihabara has an Idoling goods section and you could find Idoling CDs are the various shops, but you had to put in the effort to find them.

It felt like a lot of the other groups are promoted more actively. Super Girls had trucks running around, YGA and tons of other lesser known groups had events at Softmap, Morning Musume had various release events, AKB48 has CMs and massive posters up everywhere and even groups like Afilia Saga East have signed poster and stuff up at various stores. Momoiro Clover Z are the kings of promotion, they are everywhere. I didn't see anything like this for Idoling, nothing at all. Granted, part of this may be caused by that the single doesn't release until three weeks, so maybe it's just getting started.

On the other hand, I also visited the FujiTV Headquarters in Odaiba (and the Tokyo Tower Studio), but even there I was amazed by the lack of Idoling. I went to two shops, which didn't have any Idoling goods. I took the tour through the building and only spotted two small framed collages:



Maybe I wasn't looking well enough, but I thought FujiTV was the home of Idoling? I didn't feel that way at all. I was hoping to see more of them there. Anyway, they could definitely benefit from a proper promotional campaign.

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2012, 08:45:39 PM »
On the other hand, I also visited the FujiTV Headquarters in Odaiba (and the Tokyo Tower Studio), but even there I was amazed by the lack of Idoling. I went to two shops, which didn't have any Idoling goods. I took the tour through the building and only spotted two small framed collages:



Maybe I wasn't looking well enough, but I thought FujiTV was the home of Idoling? I didn't feel that way at all. I was hoping to see more of them there. Anyway, they could definitely benefit from a proper promotional campaign.

Oh, now they actually have their own frame as a show on those collages, that's new. They used to be just used as girls around the collages for the FujiTV ONE/TWO/NEXT shows...
Yes, the complete lack of Idoling!!! promotion even in their own hq is amazing. The variety shop downstairs should have the latest toreka set next to the cash register, but maybe that has already changed since 2 months ago. I've visited that shop every time since january 2009, and there used to be more in that shop. In 2009 they actually had an Idoling!!! section with t-shirts, mufflers, uchiwa & some photos. I've visited the shop every time, but it got smaller and smaller. In January this year, there were just leftovers from long graduated members (like Eto & Michelle), but 2 months ago everything was gone. Except for the toreka set near the cash register.

High profile promotion like big posters & trucks cost a lot of money (I guess), which seems to have always been a problem: budget. Is it because most of the budget goes to the TV show? I'm not sure about that because the show is on Fuji TV, and the music is under Pony Canyon, then I guess most of the budget for singles & albums comes from Pony Canyon? Same goes for PVs, they are always late to put up the PV on the music channels...

Pony Canyon may not have been such a good choice as a music labal for Idoling!!!... I wonder what would've happened if they were under Avex...

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2012, 08:44:01 PM »
You could say Idoling wouldn't last this long in the first place if it wasn't for the security blanket of FujiTV, but I must say what good does that do when Idoling also is not the first priority of FujiTV as well.

FujiTV is only interested in selling a proven product that is already popular, because that's how they get to attract the advertising revenue. FujiTV sees Idoling as a very limited potential in terms of generating profit from selling ads.

FujiTV once tried to sell Idoling simply with their company name and hype in the beginning, which totally didn't work, so now they don't even want to bother with Idoling, but that's not Idoling's fault. FujiTV should've let Idoling develop as a group for a couple of years before hyping them up as a product.

Now that Idoling has matured into a very worthy product, FujiTV is now being ignorant and totally under-selling Idoling, probably not even realizing the true value of the group right now.


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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2012, 10:35:34 PM »
That makes me wonder.
What happens if Idoling!!! split up with FujiTV. as an independent idol group?


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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #93 on: July 21, 2012, 11:07:24 PM »
^ that might good for selling songs, but without it's tv show I would never become fans.

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #94 on: July 21, 2012, 11:09:41 PM »
What happens if Idoling!!! split up with FujiTV. as an independent idol group?
It's highly unlikely, almost impossible that Idoling would be able to become an independent group under the current situation.

The biggest obstacle is that the members are under different talent agencies. The new independent group has to buy out the members' current contracts in order to be truly regarded as an independent entity, otherwise it would be just a change of the main representative from FujiTV to company x.

If once in a million chance that Idoling manages to become an independent group, they'll be under a new group name as FujiTV owns the rights to the Idoling brand and they'll more than likely would not allow any other company to use it, and even if they do allow it, they'll ask for a lot of money.

If those two things are settled away, Idoling as an independent group would get a highly customized promotional marketing and CD sales would double immediately.

And every TV station (except for FujiTV) in Japan would fight over each other to feature the group in their prime time TV show.

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »
I'm mad. Even on HMV they have a poster and on CDJapan only a card is listed as bonus.

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2012, 01:02:40 PM »
Damn I want that! Too late, already ordered from CDJapan... :(

Same here  :O
But all posters look so awesome  :w00t:

But I've put them all on my to-buy list on my next trip to Japan, I'm sure they'll have some at TRIO  :P

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2012, 04:17:50 AM »
If you haven't done so yet, don't forget to follow the below ID in Imatsubu, they need 8,888 followers in order for Idoling to get a special costume for the single. Right now there are about 2,600 followers.

http://imatsubu.jp/profile/2623427

Also, one of the members will be voted to throw out a first pitch in a baseball game on 8/8, and you can vote here. (Must register with Imatsubu first)

http://imatsubu.jp/campaign/idoling

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2012, 12:34:39 PM »
The more I watch the One Up!!! PV the more I think the flames weren't really necessary.

Ichigo Gyuunyuu is growing on me, I guess the beautiful PV helps. :wub:

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Re: [8/8] Idoling!!! 18th single [One Up!!!/Ichigo Gyuunyuu]
« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2012, 05:00:39 PM »
Gigantic billboard of One Up!!!/IchigoGyuuyuu in Shibuya!
I applaud the effort, better than not doing anything.


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