Immigration Bill H.R. 4437

[StreakInTheSky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._4437

This is a really big issue that's taking place in the United States right now.

Its main point is to deport all reported illegal immigrants. It is obvious that this targets mainly hispanics entering from Mexico and such.


On May 1st there were mass walkouts, protests and a boycott on just about everything. Being someone who has grown up around several people that this directly affects I believe that I, myself, should also stand up for these people.

I attended one of these protests earlier this afternoon and heard several people speak against the Bill. As well as a couple who spoke for it(though I don't think they really helped their position:rolleyes:)

I post this to hear other's opinions about this issue. And I don't mean just the people in the United States. Also what people living in other countries think about this.

[ew0923]

I live in Sydney, and there was a massive 'witch hunt' a few years back (actually, around 5-7 years ago)...

Our baby-sitter (who've worked maid/baby-sitter for my family and my uncles for more than a decade), chose to report herself after over-staying her visa by around 9 years because she didn't want any trouble for our family and our uncle's.

I understand the argument that Illegal immigrants are jumping the queue etc, but it seems extremely harsh when it's someone you know. They are not taking anything from the welfare system, they are not competiting for our jobs, why can't we just let them stay?

[maliciel]

I think it's a logical step for the government to take. Although I can't say it's the right one. Over here we are very strict on illegal immigrants, but we also have alot of foreign workers. This is where the execution of this bill should've changed, imo.

I think by making it easier for them to gain legal entry to live and work in the US would have been a better move. As it is, most are working illegally, doing jobs no one else would do (this, im not sure of). Also, I think sending them back to a country where they obviously don't have means to live comfortably is a little harsh.

[Asmodai]

Well, a core issue is respect for our laws.

Immigrants are great and contribute a lot to our economies, but do we really want the immigrants who refuse to obey our laws from day one?


Plus, there's tons of places to fill our immigrant needs - India and China are two of the biggest. Those also tend to be more skilled immigrants, and seem as a trend more willing to adapt to fit into our society.

As it is, although the employment rate is still low, there are relatively few jobs in unskilled labour. Since employers don't need to follow minimum wage or labour safety laws when using undocumented immigrants, they can get away with spending less money on them. This makes it more difficult for native born individuals without skills to find work as agricultural workers, janitors, etc.


I admit that it's harsh. There's big problems balancing the need to keep families together for one thing, and if I was in Mexico, I'd probably immigrate legally or not to try and get a better life. However, the US can't hope to absorb the entire population of Mexico, and it's a sovereign state and has an absolute right to control its borders and who (if anyone) it chooses to let in.

[ctz]

I think every country has right to choose its citizens and people who work there.

People who don't pay any taxes don't be any good for the state.

That deporting thing is sure is kinda harsh though.

It'd be great if we'll have someone here who could tell us more reasons to resist this law.

[Ame]

I think the concept of sending ALL immigrants back to their country is almost impossible, and unfair.

Many immigrants, legal or not, play a big role in this country's economy. I know that most illegal immigrants want to be made legal, that's why this protest was made. I support their cause, but also, I don't really agree with some of their points of view. By making all illegal immigrants legal, you'll be also making criminals who escape from their country to avoy punishment legal. Also, it will show that something illegaly done will be rewarded, and by this more people would still be willing to come this way.
In the other hand, many illegal immigrants work their butts off to make a living here. They try to learn the language and adjust to the culture, those people should not be discriminated agaisnt. I know a lot of people who are undocumented, and they still work as hard as any american here.

[yurinachan]

Its a sad situation where your government introduces such a dumb law.

I can understand if some illegal immigrant comes into the country and sells drugs to kids. They should be sent packing if all they do is leech the system and commit crimes.

Although they broke the law when they enter your country illegally, if they can work hard and contribute to your economy, then your government should let them stay. Help should be given to them to become legal.

Desperate times means desperate actions. Many of these people would basically be suffering and have problems feeding their families. The question for those who are Pro-American and support this bill is 'Do they care?' The answer is no because people are selfish these days.

We are all descendents of immigrants here. I hope that democratic countries such as the US won't become a xenophobic society.

[Jsmurf]

Right or wrong dont all or most countries ship back illegal immigrants back to thier countries?  or is the US the only country that does this?

[StreakInTheSky]

I really doubt the US is the only country to deport illegal immigrants. But in this case, we're talking about mass deportation of literally millions of people, most of these people who have lived in the US long enough to have legal family members and to have integrated themselves into society.

[Asmodai]

Many countries are remarkable less tolerant of illegal immigrants than the US is.

Saudi Arabia for instance uses tons of Pakistani guest workers, but they're either deported or executed if they stay past their work permits. They're hardly unique in that either.

[stoneden]

Sort of boggles my mind. The US was built and founded by immigrants. Or am I wrong?
 
Anyways I'm studing for my Citizenship right now. It's about $155 for a green card renewal or $315 for Citizenship...Hmm I'll guess jury duty is not too bad.

[StreakInTheSky]

The US was built on immigration. And the settlers that eventually established  the US were immigrants. In fact, during the days of industrialization immigration was encouraged.

But we don't live in the same era and not all the same rules apply. But there has to be a better way to do it than what's being proposed.