Author Topic: [04/17] Morning Musume 53rd single [Brainstorming / Kimisae Ireba Nanimo Iranai] (Read 39845 times)

Estrea · « **Reply #60 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:47:51 PM »

Quote from: sayumi_fan on March 14, 2013, 12:46:47 PM

Tell me, has any other J-pop group *ever* released 53 singles?

Apparently, Southern All Stars has released 54 singles...but they've been around since 1975 so....

But if you count only girl groups then yes, Momusu is pretty impressive to have released 53 singles!

shirenuファクトリー · « **Reply #61 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:44:09 PM »

As much as I love Momusu and its record breaking nature, I do find it a bit unfair to give them props for 53 singles, because of the changing member line-up.

It's impressive that the more-or-less same concept is still alive after all these years, but it hasn't been the same group of people so comparing them to other groups with a more stable membership is unfair >_< At least it reminds me more of, say, some national children's choir being able to say they've been performing since 1975 even if of course the children change all the time because they grow too old etc. In a way it's more about continuing a tradition than being like other pop groups... It's still impressive because it's pop music, but they're playing in a different league than most other groups

Estrea · « **Reply #62 on:** March 15, 2013, 08:47:09 PM »

^You definitely have a point there. I guess there's a limit to actual longevity of any group when the membership is static, but for rotational membership...well, it can go on indefinitely.

Still, it's pretty impressive that they have continued for this long!

Oh, KimiSae is trending on Japanese Youtube too.

Not as crazy high as Brainstorming was, but a respectable 6th place on the trends dashboard on All Ages. It's at 4th for 13-17 year olds though.

I like how they're starting to pull in views from a younger crowd too! It's always a good sign.

AmberSan · « **Reply #63 on:** March 16, 2013, 04:03:27 PM »

fan recordings ofthe b-sides from todays concert:

!

#credit to celedam from jplop

loving both songs...

sayumi_fan · « **Reply #64 on:** March 16, 2013, 11:14:33 PM »

^^ and ^^^ and ^^^^ I certainly accept your point, Shirenu... I guess Momusu is special to all of us so we want them to look great in every way!

And of course, some of us want to believe they are on the cusp of a new Golden Age, and who knows but maybe they are... and yeah, Estrea, the fact that they are trending for younger age groups is a hopeful sign!! So, with the new singles, we can continue to give them our support!

And thanks for posting on the b-side perfs, AmberSan!! I would definitely not have found them on my own.

xepher416 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 19, 2013, 01:08:05 AM »

I honestly love this song, but the b-side is ok i guess. Even though momusu has 53 singles so far, I find it weird that they are now one of the youngest groups in all of hello project. Too many graduations these past few years.

elgie · « **Reply #66 on:** March 19, 2013, 01:47:47 PM »

Rock no Teigi is no more than OK. I can't find the rock anywhere

Tokimeku Tokimeke on the other hand I like very much. It's weird how I've never been into electronic music except for Tsunku's creations. That man sure knows how to pull my strings...

SomethingWild · « **Reply #67 on:** March 19, 2013, 07:00:58 PM »

Quote from: Estrea on March 15, 2013, 08:47:09 PM

^You definitely have a point there. I guess there's a limit to actual longevity of any group when the membership is static, but for rotational membership...well, it can go on indefinitely. Still, it's pretty impressive that they have continued for this long!

Three points related to this:

1. In some cases it's nice to have a group which has the same member line-up. For non-idol groups it doesn't have to affect the longevity either. The Alfee have released 62 singles! Actually, if you count SMAP as idols, they have released 49 singles with pretty much the same line-up. Very impressive.

2. In the current idol field, I think Momoiro Clover Z is doing so well because they are a stable unit. Five girls with a very strong bond, who all have their own character and image. Very easily recognizable. I think their static member line-up sets them apart from most other idol groups at the moment. AKB is undergoing massive changes, MM has been changing immensely and even obscure idol units like Afilia Saga are barely recognizable anymore due to members dropping out and new one being added. In contrast, Members NOT graduating can also be a problem to keep a group fresh and appealing. I feel Idoling and former era MM suffered a bit from that.

3. There was some talk about MM ending when Tsunku retires? It's interesting because Aki-P (the AKB48 producer) mentioned he will probably graduate from AKB48 at one point. Hard to imagine since he wrote the lyrics to all songs (except one). On the other hand, he also said it's a 10-year project, so who knows what'll happen. But yeah, since Tsunku's role is similar I wonder if he can give up creative control of the group.

Chibs · « **Reply #68 on:** March 20, 2013, 06:27:59 PM »

http://www.yinyuetai.com/video/630724lq
the mv up here. (thanks to Amped)

Estrea · « **Reply #69 on:** March 20, 2013, 07:16:46 PM »

I think I might actually prefer the dance shot. But man, Riho owns this video so hard, the editing favours her so much.

This PV still feels like a glorified dance shot though.

the really random close ups and honestly, they could stay a bit longer on some of the less spotlighted members. I mean, I'm a huge fan of Riho but she really doesn't need that much screen time.

Also, Sayu is hot. 'nuff said.

EDIT: Must add that I love the PV and am looping it.

Joe · « **Reply #70 on:** March 20, 2013, 08:15:28 PM »

Quote from: SomethingWild on March 19, 2013, 07:00:58 PM

In contrast, Members NOT graduating can also be a problem to keep a group fresh and appealing. I feel Idoling and former era MM suffered a bit from that.

Idoling is a difficult case. The first gen girls are still the best singers. I don't know what would happen without Maipuru and Rurika, especially. Karen is a new hope. To me, they can continue in the group forever.

SomethingWild · « **Reply #71 on:** March 20, 2013, 10:35:51 PM »

^Actually, I was referring to #12 and some of the other second gen

But let's not get too off-topic

Crap, PV already removed. Looking forward seeing some Riho action!

tru_harmony · « **Reply #72 on:** March 21, 2013, 12:34:22 AM »

Thank god for Chinese video streaming sites that no one knows how to block.

The random close ups were really random. I liked the fact that the camera was moving in the dance shots. But I thought they were moving too much.

Lol focus on Riho. It's okay to have her close up shot when she's singing a line but wtf Riho close up during non-singing verse breaks. I love Riho so I don't want the other girls to hate her for being pushed to the front too much.

I think the formation stuff didn't get seen enough thanks to all the moving cameras and the random random close up shots. So I dislike that thing about this video.

I wish they had a separate shot of the Riho-Ayumi dance break to make it look more fierce. I called it a dance battle although it really wasn't much of that. I wish they tried to make it seem more like it.

Sakura should be coached on projecting on camera. With a strong voice like that, you gotta look like you're releasing a shockwave or sonic boom whenever you open your mouth. haha.

Oh, Sayu...

Also, Zukki got that sexy "Mmhh.." face going at around 3:11. I dunno why but it got my attention. But also, she should move her arms more... liberally. She keeps them close to her chest too much.

Reina half-assed the melting genie dance move... Sometimes I think she doesn't even try anymore... *sigh*

The PV didn't make me like the song any more or less than the loose shot video. But I enjoyed it. Not on loop like Estrea, but I'm watching it every 15 minutes. ^^\

winner · « **Reply #73 on:** March 21, 2013, 03:53:12 AM »

Yup, doesn't really trump the dance shot other than some sprinklings of close-ups and head-pointing shots.

I don't expect them to suddenly do 20 versions like C-ute. but I do want to see them try something more than the stale dance/close shot MV-making formula they've been using for xxx years.
Hope they've started linking the dance wave straight into the concert crowd.

Estrea · « **Reply #74 on:** March 21, 2013, 08:14:59 AM »

モーニング娘。Morningmusume 君さえ居れば何も要らない　弾いてみた

I want Lovendor to play with Morning Musume at least once, after Reina graduates.

Can you imagine a rock version of their songs, live?

And now they actually have the people to do it with...

nimrod · « **Reply #75 on:** March 21, 2013, 11:35:13 AM »

lolsub ver

Estrea · « **Reply #76 on:** March 21, 2013, 11:39:54 AM »

More promotion events. Technically it's for their 15th year anniversary, but the timing...

The Michishige Eleven will be spread out across 11 prefectures across Japan and have simultaneous handshake events at the same time on the stated date (April 2nd).

How convenient to keep them fresh in people's minds right before their single is released. Nice work with the promotion, UFP!

Oh, the spread of the members:

Ishikawa Prefecture: Suzuki Kanon
Aichi：Kudo Haruka
Fukushima：Ikuta Erina
Iwate：Sato Masaki
Yamagata：Oda Sakura
Kumamoto：Iikubo Haruna
Nara：Fukumura Mizuki
Yamanashi：Sayashi Riho
Tokyo：Ishida Ayumi
Tochigi: Tanaka Reina
Chiba：Michishige Sayumi

elgie · « **Reply #77 on:** March 21, 2013, 05:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Estrea on March 20, 2013, 07:16:46 PM

I think I might actually prefer the dance shot. But man, Riho owns this video so hard, the editing favours her so much.

This PV still feels like a glorified dance shot though. the really random close ups and honestly, they could stay a bit longer on some of the less spotlighted members. I mean, I'm a huge fan of Riho but she really doesn't need that much screen time.

Also, Sayu is hot. 'nuff said.

EDIT: Must add that I love the PV and am looping it.

The big problem with the close-ups is that they are cut at the most inconvenient places (except for a couple of exceptions). The dance shots are amazing although I would have kept some shots for a while longer like the zooming in when they are dancing in a circle.

Still it's an impressive PV. I would love a full dance version and, OMG the dance battle between Riho and Ayumi looks even better here!

RikoLiFan · « **Reply #78 on:** March 21, 2013, 06:55:45 PM »

Quote from: Estrea on March 20, 2013, 07:16:46 PM

This PV still feels like a glorified dance shot though. the really random close ups and honestly, they could stay a bit longer on some of the less spotlighted members.

Well companies can afford to skimp on PV production budget & efforts as the bigger factor whether they succeed in getting sales is the marketing campaign.

Help Me PV isn't nothing to shout either but got the #1 in oricon weekly sales primarily because of its marketing campaign.

Estrea · « **Reply #79 on:** March 21, 2013, 07:15:40 PM »

^I know, I wasn't criticizing, since I love the dance shot. Just an observation. Plus I actually appreciate the close ups on the dance routine at times, because I like seeing their expressions when they dance.

Besides, one of the selling points of the current line up is their dance formations, even if they're not actually saying anything about it, but the way they push the dance shots out more than a month in advance to build hype before the single release is pretty damn smart marketing. Firstly, the routines are intriguing enough that people do dance covers on Youtube, which generates more hype and more hitbacks and basically more views = more attention. Smart marketing was definitely what got them noticed again ever since One Two Three, and Help Me's #1 position was building on the streak started by the 50th single.

If it counts for anything, I actually liked the Help Me PV because it was so shiny. And I like shiny things. Yup.

And oh, the age old gripe about the PV production budget. I will never stop saying that UFP is cheap when it comes to PVs. It's a tired old joke that works, mostly because it's true. I like making fun of the fact that it's low budget, but you don't need to throw millions into a PV (*coughAKBcough*) to make it good. I rather like the concept for I WISH, for example, and even though it was really low budget too, it was an interesting video. I don't hate the dance shot / close up formula -- hell, I used to be a huge fan of BoA, and most of her PVs follow that concept.

It's usually only the editing that irks me. I seriously think we have fans who do a better job at editing video than the clowns on UFP's team. Sometimes they do a good job, and in Brainstorming they actually did pretty good, but yeah...I would appreciate it if I'm not treated like a fool.

/endwordvomit

I admit, I'm a defensive ass.