Author Topic: Interesting Interview with creator of BackupHDDVD (Read 4632 times)

ebc · « **on:** January 25, 2007, 04:00:15 AM »

You may or may not know but I guess you could say that both HDDVD and Blu-ray have already been "cracked" and here is an interview with a guy who has made known the exploit.

http://www.slyck.com/story1390.html

I thought it was a really interesting anyway.

Let's hear your thoughts?

ebc · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2007, 08:32:23 AM »

Here's another article, it kinda gives more detail of exploit.

http://dailytech.com/Bluray+Encryption+Defeated/article5795.htm

Kei · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2007, 03:10:36 PM »

This can only be a good thing, really. If the movie studios had their way the consumers would have no rights and that's a fucking joke. I find it rude that they get to decide if the hardware I have is acceptable enough for them to allow me to play their discs on it.

It's just pretentious.

Sukebei · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2007, 03:44:34 PM »

Hm I wasn't expecting either format to be "cracked" so soon actually. No one even buys blu-ray or hd-dvd's where I live lol. Personally I think it's a good thing, but I'm more interested in how this will affect which format becomes the new standard. According to muslix64, since HD-DVD's protection is weaker, it will win. Now the PS3 is even more useless lol. Sony better pick things up...
In any case thnx for the news links ebc, now I'll have something to talk about at work haha

Rick-e · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2007, 05:25:14 PM »

wait... that means there's a chance that PS3 games will be cracked too? nice... I might reconsider buying one then...
thanks for the news ^^

StreakInTheSky · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:02:57 AM »

LOL... damn pirates

maliciel · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:55:36 AM »

Definitely a good thing. Studios are screwing us over with all the shit they pull.

nachdenki · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:49:59 AM »

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What motivated you to help circumvent the content protection scheme associated with HD DVD and Blu-ray?
With the HD-DVD, I wasn't able to play my movie on my non-HDCP HD monitor. Not being able to play a movie that I have paid for, because some executive in Hollywood decided I cannot, made me mad...

^ that's the funniest part IMHO.

I didn't expected them to be "cracked" that fast, but like he said, as long as you can play the dvd you can crack the protection.
The industry should put their effort into something different, really, like making DVDs cheaper or something like that~

frblckstr1 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2007, 08:38:01 AM »

Quote from: nachdenki;295186

The industry should put their effort into something different, really, like making DVDs cheaper or something like that~

DVD medea is 'cheap', do not confuse content with the physical thing it is on.

I can get into the idea that the producers want money back for what they invested, its the way its done that is the problem (e.g. his argument about not 'allowed to play because...')

nachdenki · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2007, 07:14:15 PM »

Quote from: frblckstr1;295309

DVD medea is 'cheap', do not confuse content with the physical thing it is on.

I can get into the idea that the producers want money back for what they invested, its the way its done that is the problem (e.g. his argument about not 'allowed to play because...')

I'm not talking about the physical thing itself and I don't have a problem with paying artists, producer etc. for good work.
But just imagine how much money they spend for developing the algorithms and just the plain software. I doubt they are working for free, so they are rising the price for DVDs and/or the cinema stuff to compensate the costs. They could minimize these costs and lower the price for movies and music cds a little to sell more.

Well I may be wrong and people would copy a lot more if there were no protection so it's still better to spend the money for developing, but I doubt that.

frblckstr1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2007, 07:19:06 PM »

Quote from: nachdenki;295730

But just imagine how much money they spend for developing the algorithms and just the plain software. I doubt they are working for free, so they are rising the price for DVDs and/or the cinema stuff to compensate the costs. They could minimize these costs and lower the price for movies and music cds a little to sell more.

Developing those (and do not forget: implementing them in the players!) is not the cost rising factor, one B movie and they are recovered, divide that over all the (HD)DVD's sold and you will not find them back.

(and copying 29GB like for the Hulk...)

ebc · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:12:29 PM »

Quote from: nachdenki

I didn't expected them to be "cracked" that fast, but like he said, as long as you can play the dvd you can crack the protection.

Which is true but still the way this guy cracked it isn't something that should have happened so easily and I think it can be put down to poor testing of the system overall.

Like he said it comes down to the weakest link, and where they really made the mistake is not fully testing how easy it would be for somebody to figure out what muslix64 did (before he or others did). If they did properly test different methods that people would use to try attack their system then they would have found how easy it was to break it themselves.

frblckstr1 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:25:56 AM »

^ Its almost the same with how the DVD encyption was cracked: someone left in a un-encrypted key -> someone found it -> started.

This time someone found an un-encrypted key in memory -> the ball started rolling.
The fact is, the algorithm is not cracked (like with the DVD encryption), the keys are exposed resulting in that someone can uncrypt the contents.

The end-result is the same, the method is not.