JPHiP Radio (14/200 @ 128 kbs)     Now playing: Juice=Juice - KARADA DA KEGA OTONA NI NATTA N JA NAI

Author Topic: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say  (Read 4100 times)

Offline THUNDERDUCK

  • Putting the H! in H!P
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 13020
    • thunderquacker
Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« on: June 11, 2010, 07:19:23 PM »
Don't blame it on the Dark Side. Anakin Skywalker's epic transformation into the evil Darth Vader may have been a result of mental illness, according to a group of French psychiatrists and psychologists.

In a paper published in the journal Psychiatry Research, Eric Bui and his colleagues at Toulouse University Hospital have given new meaning to the term "Jedi mind tricks" with their psychoanalysis of why the tragic "Star Wars" hero fell from Jedi grace. Apparently, he had borderline personality disorder.

As he came of age, Skywalker showed problems with impulsivity, violent outburst, illusions of invincibility and crises of identity, all of which are in line with borderline personality disorder diagnosis, the researchers concluded.

The absence of a father and early separation from his mother set the stage for his later developmental issues, the authors noted, and violent, dissociative events, such as when he kills a tribe of Tuskans in blind revenge, precipitated his turn to the Dark Side.

Indeed, Skywalker exhibited six out of nine of the borderline personality disorder criteria laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV), although fitting five is enough for a diagnosis.

What's more, they argued, because adolescents tend to display some traits of borderline personality disorder during their development, Skywalker's erratic behavior and struggles with identity may be behind the wild success of the sci-fi saga.

But some U.S. psychiatrists believe the researchers may have jumped the gun.

"Anakin shows borderline traits, but these do not persist into his adulthood," UCLA child and adolescent psychiatrist Dr. H. Eric Bender said.

The borderline personality traits listed in the paper would have to be "enduring and maladaptive patterns" over the lifetime in order to justify a diagnosis, he added.

When Skywalker made the transformation to Darth Vader, the borderline personality traits didn't really come with him. In other words, Bender said, he was firm in his identity as a villain.

Therapy Session at Comic-Con

Although he disagreed with the diagnosis, Bender would be the first to approve of the spirit behind the Darth Vader paper.

While a fellow in child psychiatry at UCLA, Bender joined forces with fellow psychiatrists Dr. Vasilis Pozios of Ann Arbor, Mich., and Dr. Praveen Kambam of Los Angeles to form Broadcast Thought, an advocacy group that seeks to educate the public about mental illness through fictional characters of the comic book or sci-fi variety.

"We are 'fanboys' ourselves," Bender said. "We love comics" and wanted to use the genre "to examine how mental illness is portrayed in media and how it educates the public."

In the past year, the trio has spoken at renowned comic book conventions Comic-Con and WonderCon, where they delivered an analysis -- to sold out crowds, no less -- of which Batman villains actually deserved to be in the fictional psychiatric hospital of the series, Arkham Asylum.

"People really have a hunger to learn more about these characters and it's a great opportunity to educate public on the accuracy of depictions of mental health disorders, and in that way, help reduce mental health stigma," Pozios said.

As for which Batman criminals were actually criminally insane, surprisingly few made the cut.

Maximillian Zeus, who believed himself to be the ancient Greek deity, was deemed mentally ill, considering that delusion. But the Joker, the notorious Mad Hatter of the Batman series, was not.

Although he had an extreme anti-social personality disorder, his highly planned scheming belies a knowledge of right and wrong. Were he in the real world, he would likely be put in the slammer, not in the psych ward, they said.

Broadcast Thought will speak again at this year's Comic-Con in late July, this time about the effect of trauma on the formation of comic book heroes and villains, such as Batman. The group will also continue to conduct research on the audiences to whom it speaks to gauge whether its work is actually changing perceptions of mental illness and reducing stigma.

According to preliminary data from their latest talks, it is.

Through Broadcast Thought, the doctors hope to enact what Bender called a "paradigm shift" in the way the media, be it movies, comics or television, portray mental illness.

"Our hope would be one day that writers and producers and directors say, [when dealing with a character with mental illness], 'What do you mean you didn't consult with psychiatrists'?"

Was It the Force or Just a Tough Childhood?

Still, at issue is whether Darth Vader would have really been better off in a psych ward.

Skywalker portrayed many of the traits of the disorder as a youth, but even in the world of fictional "diagnoses," the French paper may be pushing the limits of diagnosis, psychiatrists say.

"It's important to note that any person, when put in highly stressful situations, may display certain traits, such as impulsivity, which are associated with borderline personality disorder," UCLA's Bender said.

But one time period in a person's life is not enough to justify a diagnosis, especially if that is a highly stressful period early on in life.

"Teenagers are impulsive and can practice risky behavior," said Dr. Sue Varma, assistant professor of psychiatry at the N.Y.U. Langone School of Medicine.

"They are trying to find out who they are and in playing around with identities, they show characteristics similar to borderline," she said. "But this is not enough for a diagnosis. Most teens come out the other side by their 20s."

That Skywalker came out the other side a villain didn't mean he was still grappling with the identity crises of his early Jedi years, Bender noted.

Bender believes that narcissistic personality disorder might be a better diagnosis because of some of the traits, such as delusions of grandeur and an obsession with power, seen in the later three films, as well as the first three.

Although made with good intentions, the comic comparisons may have an unfortunate flip side, however.

While explaining the disorders of fictional villains may help educate the public, comparisons to loathed characters also run the risk of increasing the stigma.

"Being likened to Darth Vader can be pretty stigmatizing as well," psychiatrist Pozios said. "You have to be careful [and] responsible with how you present these comparisons. You don't want people with borderline personality disorder to be labeled 'Darth Vaders.'"

Offline thatonezombie

  • 67th Mr. Mountain
  • Member+
  • Posts: 4175
  • "Homie, you're the Lupe Fiasco of JPH!P" - Masa
    • thatonezombie
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 04:24:10 AM »
While explaining the disorders of fictional villains may help educate the public, comparisons to loathed characters also run the risk of increasing the stigma.

"Being likened to Darth Vader can be pretty stigmatizing as well," psychiatrist Pozios said. "You have to be careful [and] responsible with how you present these comparisons. You don't want people with borderline personality disorder to be labeled 'Darth Vaders.'"

I normally don't read physiological reports but it was about Darth Vader. It got me to read the article. It's doing its job to educate. 
I vote for TOZ as the most gangsta~  :otomerika:
[01:35] <shirenu> if it ain't zomb, it ain't bomb
Visit TOZ's House of Hits http://forum.jphip.com/index.php?topic=23639.0

Offline ~Dan~

  • Happyyyy~~~
  • Member+
  • Posts: 2885
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 05:01:24 AM »
Don't blame it on the Dark Side. Anakin Skywalker's epic transformation into the evil Darth Vader may have been a result of mental illness, according to a group of French psychiatrists and psychologists.

Ummm, someone tell them he's a fictional character. :lol:
Sig gone. Tinypic is no more.

Offline Naomi

  • Member+
  • Posts: 1555
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2010, 05:26:03 AM »
They did all of this research on a fictional character? :huhuh

Offline meowchi

  • still listening to Viyuden
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 3641
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 05:31:35 AM »
persuant to that fact aren't ALL villains mentally ill to some degree?

Offline Tuffty

  • Shadowstar's Boy Toy
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 19990
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2010, 11:06:41 AM »
Completely pointless but it's not harming anyone and as they said themselves, may shed some light on how mental illness is portrayed in the media. Have to disagree with the analysis though, as all the symptoms they describe are only seen in Anakin as a teenager, you don't see Darth Vader having a crisis of identity in the originals, though give Lucas some time and he'll remake the originals. :roll:

As he came of age, Skywalker showed problems with impulsivity, violent outburst, illusions of invincibility and crises of identity, all of which are in line with borderline personality disorder diagnosis, the researchers concluded.

That's only because Obi-Wan was holding him back!!

Offline cecelialorene

  • queering through life
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 569
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2010, 05:35:55 AM »
ROFL seriously amusing. Instead of doing this they could have funded several awareness mechanisms in schools about mental illness.
But to a degree ALL villains suffer from some type of mental illness. Interesting none the less.

Offline shadowstar

  • Tuffty's #1 fangirl
  • Global Moderator
  • Member++
  • *
  • Posts: 42532
  • Idols Inc.
    • positivegenki
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2010, 11:07:19 AM »
Well, looks like someone was bored of the usual researching...

Offline daigong

  • Communist Master of Ass
  • Administrator
  • Member++
  • *
  • Posts: 50197
    • daigong
    • daigong
    • daigong
    • 111403287599703511524
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »
persuant to that fact aren't ALL villains mentally ill to some degree?


Offline marui_man

  • Member
  • Posts: 7
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 12:01:46 AM »
The force made him mentally ill :lol:.

Offline shurastriker

  • Knight of the SAGA
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 10925
  • アフィリリルー
    • shuranisaur
    • shuranisaur
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 02:56:51 AM »
Don't blame it on the Dark Side. Anakin Skywalker's epic transformation into the evil Darth Vader may have been a result of mental illness, according to a group of French psychiatrists and psychologists.

In a paper published in the journal Psychiatry Research, Eric Bui and his colleagues at Toulouse University Hospital have given new meaning to the term "Jedi mind tricks" with their psychoanalysis of why the tragic "Star Wars" hero fell from Jedi grace. Apparently, he had borderline personality disorder.



Offline winner

  • 絶望的に愛してる
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 5723
    • kyotsky
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 03:39:31 AM »
Didn't this interview with Anakin years ago make it clear enough. It was for the cool cape! :roll:
Dark Side Switch Campaign

Offline kurashina

  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 51
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 07:27:10 AM »
lol i think the ones who have mental problems are those psychiatrists...
wtf is with checking some mental traits of a FICTIONAL character? XD

Offline writerserenyty

  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 731
  • L(^▽^) Gucha~~
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »
The fact that anyone is seriously analyzing the prequel trilogy is the amazing thing to me. I get analyzing the originals. But the fact that this is mainly based off the prequels... :huhuh :?

Offline zoolander

  • Your world frightens and confuses me...
  • Member+
  • Posts: 2691
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2010, 12:00:46 PM »
Now lets see them do The Joker. :twisted:

Offline john_hung

  • KOBUSHI-GUMI
  • ecchi
  • Member+
  • Posts: 7113
    • dave_akuma
    • dave_skeptical
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 12:19:46 AM »
i'm not exactly a star wars nerd, but didn't the sand people beat up his mom and she dies in his arms? that'll send anyone to the darkside (no joking)...

the only other woman he loved (amidala) also dies (during childbirth - i've heard of such things happening and the dad sort of resents the kid cuz of it)...

he had many body parts cut off and was burned alive...

what else was he supposed to turn into? mickey mouses' twin brother? you can't really blame him for turning out the way he did - i'd be a tad vexed if all that stuff happened to me (although instead of force-choking people i'd use the force to lift up girls' skirts and stuff lol - force wank tbh)


again, i'm not a star wars nerd lol (i have a friend who is, tho, and we'd smoke herb and discuss such things lol)

Offline yokolover120

  • ecchi
  • Member
  • Posts: 25
Re: Darth Vader Was Mentally Ill, Researchers Say
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2010, 05:53:29 AM »
Wow these people should really find something real to study. Not some fictional character. I mean who really cares how Darth Vader got to the dark side.

JPHiP Radio (14/200 @ 128 kbs)     Now playing: Juice=Juice - KARADA DA KEGA OTONA NI NATTA N JA NAI