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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2007, 08:29:37 PM »
The whole point here is that people were complaining about the title of the PB being "Pure+" just because a sleazy magazine has the same name. If there are pics that offend you, that's another story. But at least wait for the pics. Lets put it this way: I just found out there is a whole series of really disturbing U15 videos called "Cute". Does that mean that if the japanese press uses the word "cute" to describe this PB they are hinting at that kind of "cute"? It is the same thing. Guilty by association. Automatically think something is wrong without any proof based on a random association.

And I'm not blind. I just don't let what others might think (without knowing if they are actually thinking it or not) determine if I like something or not. I have enough troubles with my own decisions without having to base them on what people I don't know might think. There are lots of freaks out there with hundreds of fetishes. Some get sexually aroused by stockings, others are aroused by skirts, hell some are even aroused by girls wearing glasses. Should we ban all this from their PBs?

Last thing: wait for the pics, and then bitch all you want about them. At least there will be something tangible to bitch about. But a word? And the word "Pure" on top.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2007, 08:42:04 PM »
^ I have to say, I'd be so happy if the word pure meant we'd have beautiful pictures of her in a pure-like white dress!

Well we won't have to wait long, she'll probably look better than half the people I know(including myself) could every be no matter what she wears or does.  I think she's actually changed a bit facially since her first PB so lets see the new Risako ^_^

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2007, 09:18:11 PM »
I can see it very well, it just doesn't make me think about anything sexual by default. These books are artbooks to me, pretty pictures with esteticly pleasing girls, not fap material.
I don't think you're a super perv, you're just very observant of anything that makes you uncomfortable. Why you feel the need to be that observant I don't know.
Thing is, since you're being vocal about it we'll defend our view since we've done nothing wrong. I'm very happy with my moral standards and would find life dull if I couldn't enjoy my guilty pleasures without worrying so much about what the world thinks.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2007, 09:21:47 PM »
oh and so no1 can deny the existance of these pics(again) here are two..so the cream isn't all over her face, it's still there and is still suggestive as ever.

Coulda been worse...

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2007, 09:26:08 PM »
lol im not turning anything against u, but im just saying what i want to say. but u seems to think im calling u names  :( i like looking at pbs, so that i can observe more how to get a pic more prettier (since i want to take photograhy next year) but at the same time i choose my fav artists to look at, like risako now.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2007, 09:35:50 PM »
I have to say a forum would be very dull if everyone agreed on everything, 20 days away now so maybe previews soonish? maybe in a weeks time?(i bet they'll come out when I'm away on Rome lol)

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2007, 09:40:46 PM »
oh and so no1 can deny the existance of these pics(again) here are two..so the cream isn't all over her face, it's still there and is still suggestive as ever.

I just think comparing someone licking some whipped cream from her hand (no matter how suggestive) to an extreme fetish is way over the top. There are way less perverted situations it could be compared with.
I do consider myself a perv and have never thought of anything close to bukkake looking at that pic.
Therefore I question the mindset of the person making that comparison.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2007, 09:49:40 PM »
^i really hope that ain't aimed at me buddy.  I (personally, so that probably wasn't aimed at me) wasn't thinking of anything specific with the cream- just that it's more suggestive than the vast majority of H!P bikini pics.  The doughnut one is even more suggestove
My original point being that(for me) it isn't bikini pics that are evil or bad or whatever it's the other pictures where something else is sort of 'implied' as it were. I dunno, maybe that's just me.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2007, 09:56:38 PM »
Lets stop this and just wait for a beautiful PB. There will always be people that like some things and dislike some things, and not everybody will see the pics the same way. We should just focus on what WE think. And Risako is a beautiful girl, and I'm sure the PB will be nice and "girly".
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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2007, 09:57:11 PM »
^i really hope that ain't aimed at me buddy.  I (personally, so that probably wasn't aimed at me) wasn't thinking of anything specific with the cream- just that it's more suggestive than the vast majority of H!P bikini pics.  The doughnut one is even more suggestove
My original point being that(for me) it isn't bikini pics that are evil or bad or whatever it's the other pictures where something else is sort of 'implied' as it were. I dunno, maybe that's just me.

^nah, mostly it was to add to the disussion on the page before, same guy as my last post was to.
only quoted you since you posted the pic in question.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2007, 10:45:31 PM »
I'm not even sure what is being argued about in this thread anymore. This has all been "discussed" 1,000 times already on this forum. We're all from different cultures, we all have different values/moral standards and we can spend all day pointing our fingers at each other and all over the place. It's my own personal belief that if you immerse yourself in a hobby/entertainment world from a different culture, you kind of have to accept that culture's values, or at least be okay with the fact that it differs from your own. Of course (unfortunately) that's not always the case because, well......lol-internets. Either way in this case (in which there hasn't even been a preview of the PB), we should all either
A) be happy that Socko's getting a PB and be like "yay"
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B) not give a shit
Then of course, when the PB comes out, we can all start arguing meaninglessly about bikini shots/suggestiveness etc. etc.     

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The whole point here is that people were complaining about the title of the PB being "Pure+" just because a sleazy magazine has the same name.
heeeeeey now people, let's not start trash-talking PurePure. PurePure is far from sleeze, and I suggest checking out an issue before labeling it. (I'd be more than happy to upload a volume to prove my point)




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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #91 on: July 01, 2007, 11:00:43 PM »
Quote from: reyfer
The whole point here is that people were complaining about the title of the PB being "Pure+" just because a sleazy magazine has the same name.
heeeeeey now people, let's not start trash-talking PurePure. PurePure is far from sleeze, and I suggest checking out an issue before labeling it. (I'd be more than happy to upload a volume to prove my point)
I have no issues with PurePure. I even have two numbers from 2006. I was just using the definition others used here:

Um if you had seen PurePure Photobooks maybe you'd understand. It's girls under 15 in suggestive poses 'n shit. Every time I see the title I'm reminded of those PBs, with a title like "pure+" it can hardly be avoided. It's not our fault you don't understand what we're talking about, eh?
Anyway, lets wait for the pics. I'm sure it will be a good PB worthy of such a cute little girl.
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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2007, 12:52:34 AM »
Haha wow, okay. Plenty of words going back and forth. I would have to agree about waiting until at least some previews come out before we make any substantial judgments. But since I still have some opinions, I'll throw them out there for whatever it's worth.

And if you don't care about my philosophical bullcrap, then just leave it at that ignore the rest of my post.

What some of us have problems about this is not what the receivers will think about it, but the intention of the senders.

It'd be nice if the world were so black and white, to correctly assume that the sellers have a perverted intention. But come on, it's not that easy. These girls are human beings. A natural part of being a human is understanding your own sexuality, and learning how to express yourself; by how you walk, or the way you talk, or even how you dress--and let's face it, these girls are at that age where it's becoming relevant (when did any of us start learning about sexuality?). Certainly if the producers know there is a pretty penny to be made, there might be a problem with making the girls wear a bikini. But the girls by-and-large seem to enjoy making the PBs, and show little (if any) sign of being uncomfortable in a bikini.

Besides, there is something to be said about the cosplay fetish in Japan, and I would say if a girl felt embarassed to be seen wearing a costume, those sorts of pictures should be taken out long before censoring any bikini pictures. And what's to be said if the girls enjoy being in a bikini? Can we deny them the right to express themselves that way, just because we think "it's perverted"? If anything we should take away the school uniform pictures, because of the perversions the west has about Japanese "schoolgirl outfits". Or maybe we should all be blindfolded when we go to the beach.

To put it simply, these girls are growing up. And we as fans want to see them as they grow up (it's called idolizing them, go figure). Sexual expression is a normal part of human maturation, and the producers simply are not bashful about including it. Either way, the fans are still going to buy the PBs.

I've talked about this thing with friends who aren't pervs but can see the same things I see... Having a critical mind doesn't mean having a perverted mind.

Oh and, JUST BECAUSE *YOU'RE* BLIND TO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT THERE.

It doesn't mean it has to be perverted either.

I don't think anyone here is in denial about these photos having possible sexual innuendo. But unless the girl is explicitly engaged in a sexual act, it's not as if sexual innuendo is the only thing there is. Someone might have a habit of looking at a bikini photo and thinking "whoa perv material". But I imagine most people don't go out of their way looking for "the perverted photos" to critisize (ie: do you look at PBs as you ask yourself "is this perverted?"). I for one never noticed "the way" in which Risako was holding the bagel until it was mentioned here. And I guess now that image has lost some of it's charm because I'll be reminded of it "being perverted".  :(

For those people that are perverted--they're attracted to the girl, not the bikini. It's as if taking away all the bikini pictures will magically rid H!P of any perverts...




In any case, I just want to know, when did sexuality (not intercourse) become so taboo? These girls are at the age where it's becoming relevant; is the photo-documentation of their maturation really so unethical?




Oh, and when Risako's 3rd PB comes out, I'll ban all threads about it coz it'll be just the same anyway. XD

I hope you're not being serious about that. I for one will support the continued rule to not post thumbnails of bikini pictures in erring on the side of caution to not offend those who can't handle bikini pics. But censoring even discussion about bikinis seems too far to me. If the comments are inappropriate, maybe. But I don't see any problem in saying "those pictures were very cute", or even a simple "<3".




Oh yes, and about PurePure. For the uninitiated, it's a periodical that features pictorials of under-15 models, who participate largely in commercial contracts, such as starring in various television dramas or commercials, or being the model for a new product (like digital cameras, family insurance, etc). If you've ever seen an ad in a magazine or online which featured a young girl, chances are she had a partial debut in PurePure. It is far from being lewd.

If it's lewd you want, you're welcome to google any number of current scandals in Japan, involving 9- and 10-year old girls wearing T-backs, or the production gravure videos with girls as young as 4-years old. Go read up on that and then come back and see if H!P's photos bother you any longer.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2007, 01:54:03 AM »
tg's post is just too long, and I don't give a crap enough to read it all

Anyways, I will just say this about this discussion,

The PB will be highly sexual to some, and be completely innocent to others. You don't have to see any previews to know that. It's all on how the certain individual sees it. Words have the same effect, I could say words like penis and vagina, and there will most likely be different reactions all over the place. Same goes for the title of the PB. It has nothing to do if you have a "sick", perverted mind, or a righteous one, we all think differently.

Just because there are racier stuff out there doesn't mean that some not so racy things aren't going to offend others. People are just trying to express how they think of the something but some offers feel the need to criticize that and sometimes it become a never ending discussion that doesn't go anywhere. I am far from innocent in doing this as I often take sides in both parties.

You just need to STOP! and just think about how the other party sees the situation, Even if it doesn't agree with your view, sometimes you just need to let it go!

PB's are designed to sell. They're trying to appeal to the ones that like cute innocent things, as well as those who like the racier stuff. Even though it's not always obvious on what exactly a certain pic is trying to appeal to. It's up to you on how you want to see it.



*Tama most likely wasn't serious about banning risako pb threads. She's just saying it because she just knows that it's going to just turn into what this thread has become. It probabbly has very little or nothing to do her moral beliefs.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2007, 03:00:02 AM »
Anybody wants to bet on when the first previews will come out? If the PB will be released on the 20th, I would say we'll have previews in about 9 to 10 days.  :)

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2007, 03:00:12 AM »
You just need to STOP! and just think about how the other party sees the situation, Even if it doesn't agree with your view, sometimes you just need to let it go!

QFT.
Seriously guys. Enough~ we've established that everyone has their own opinion, that doesn't need to be re-stated by all of you.
To each, his own~ leave it at that and stop insisting that you have the last word in this argument x_x

But anyway, Im looking foward to see how this PB turns out O:

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2007, 07:04:09 AM »
*Tama most likely wasn't serious about banning risako pb threads. She's just saying it because she just knows that it's going to just turn into what this thread has become. It probabbly has very little or nothing to do her moral beliefs.

Liam is correct. Let's get married <3

I'll leave those longass posts to shirenu coz I think she likes reading more than I do.

This thread is missing something crucial... Hmm...

Oh, right. Where's Ishikawa Minoru?




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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2007, 08:03:35 AM »
*Tama most likely wasn't serious about banning risako pb threads. She's just saying it because she just knows that it's going to just turn into what this thread has become. It probabbly has very little or nothing to do her moral beliefs.

Liam is correct. Let's get married <3

OMG Yes! <3


This thread is missing something crucial... Hmm...

Oh, right. Where's Ishikawa Minoru?


LOL


*man there are so many grammatical mistakes in my other post... I even typed the wrong words in some places. XD

ah well.

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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
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Re: [07/20] 「 pure+ 」 Sugaya Risako 2nd Solo PB
« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2007, 07:04:43 AM »
too bad I can't order from amazon japan ..... I don't know why ..... so .... I'm waiting for Yesasia

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