The SNSD General Discussion Thread

[BeLLisima]

im feel like crying u know im soooo gonna defend the gals till FOREVER
they dont deserve this cass and elf just THE WORT OF WORST FC EVER!!!!

gah im realy sad rigtht this totally gonna affected the gals
OMG i can imagine them being sooo down and sad T____T

I HATE HATE cass and elf 

[tamatron]

I should just tell you to calm down, but I'm still pissed myself, so...

Rage more! Get it out of your system! I think we're pretty safe here since we're just a small group hidden inside a Japanese forum .


A magazine interview with MM, they mentioned SNSD too.

[Lovey123]

im feel like crying u know im soooo gonna defend the gals till FOREVER
they dont deserve this cass and elf just THE WORT OF WORST FC EVER!!!!

gah im realy sad rigtht this totally gonna affected the gals
OMG i can imagine them being sooo down and sad T____T

I HATE HATE cass and elf 

I know why people would..but like they are like upset probably that SNSD fans are spamming them like they are spamming us..
 because really I am a fan of SNSD as well as SUJU and DEFIANTLY DBSK...but i dont spam..
 so saying that you hate all of them.isnt that nice.. no offence

[tamatron]

Spamming? What, wait, what? Spamming where and what's that have anything to do with this?

And don't even try anything. I'm a SNSD loving mod who's currently totally pissed off and high on power.

[Odango]

I think they mean on their respective fan boards. Cass and ELF may be spamming SNSD's stuff, but SNSD fans are doing it back to them as well. Although I think in all honesty spamming eachothers boards solves nothing and is just immature and childish and both sides should stop X.x But I can definately understand SNSD fans. And CASS and ELF shouldn't really get as mad as they are for them doing so because truthfully if their respective artists were treated this harshly they'd be mad about too and I'm sure do the same thing.

And I will say this being a major fan of DBSK and SUJU I would hope that you guys don't have hate for ALL of their fans, because there are quite a few of us who are fans of SNSD as well, myself included. Many of us really dislike what the fanclubs did, like ELF and CASS, but don't hate the fans themselves.. Be mad at the fanclubs, but not every fan <3 Because also it was all of the other fanclubs too, not just CASS and ELF -_-

But my heart is really going out to the girls. I hope they make it through this okay. And I -really- hope SM makes a public statement about whether or not Junsu and Taeyeon are going out. Normally agencies are quick to address rumors like this, but to my knowledge SM hasn't done anything. The rumor is pretty stupid, and SM probably thinks it's stupid, but reguardless, these fangirls are crazy and the rumors need to be dealt with. Then maybe the girls will stop being psycho. X.x But SM really needs to do some damage control because I don't want these girls to be hurt like this. It's really just cruel. And if the anti's were really chanting "disband" like I've heard they had that's beyond imaginably cruel. I agree with what others have said on other forums, keep fan antics between fans, but don't let it effect the artists. That's just ridiculous.

Also I think DBSK, SUJU, and all the artists that attended the concert should make a statement to their fanclubs saying that they acted in poor taste. I know if I was an artist I'd be rather upset. Especially when they're in the same agency as you. They're friends, I'd hope they'd want to defend them.

[ChiruChaCha]

^ I know some Suju and DBSK fans are sane, I was referring to the hardcore ones.

Hmmmmmmmmm, so I've been thinking, I really think that instead of spamming ELF and Cass sites people could actually flood the Chinchin and Chunji boards the next day with supportive messages to Soshi(and see if Kangin and Sungmin have the guts to comment on it) and things like that. It would be awesome if Soshi's fanclub focused on supporting the girls cause you actually have a higher chance of accomplishing something(i.e. cheering the girls up) instead of posting negative stuff that only cassies and elves will read, in conclusion having a fanclub with common sense, just for a change.

I know my hippie-ish, happy-go-lucky comments won't do much on your moods right now but hopefully Sica's newfound dancing skills will:

[tamatron]

Oh, didn't know about the board spamming deal. But taht's just stupid, meaninfless stuff. What's the problem? Just ban them all ! Seriously

It'd be impossible to hate all the fans . I'm just mad at those people at the concert. But, you know, if one person can make a whole group looks bad, imagine thousands.

I doubt SM will do anything. They might want to kiss their asses some more since they gave them lotsa moneyz. And I was thinking about the statements from the groups too, but I think taht'd just make them hate the girls more.

Can't they just burn pics like Harowota?

I'll just have to keep looking at pretty pics to cool down, I guess...

[Pen-Pen]

I hate to be real cynical about it, but there's no way there's going to be an official statement from SM/Suju/DBSK about this type of thing.

First of all, the issue is kind of muddled. Depending on what fan accounts you read, SNSD fans "started it" by ripping banners for the other groups, whereas others say the signs were simply moved because they were covering other people's seats. Regardless of what the truth of the matter is, ELFs and Cassiopeians are blaming SNSD fans for what happened that night and there's simply no way to prove them wrong.

Secondly, even if this issue WAS clear and it was possible to blame boyband fanclubs for the whole thing there still will be no official condemnation of those ridiculous fans. Why? Those hardcore fans who would stoop to such levels and ruin a Dream Concert to make such petty, childish statements are the same fans who probably buy every single/album and attend every event of those boybands. Those fans are that "loyal" (read: obsessed) BECAUSE they are so emotionally invested in their group. SM knows this, and is not going to discourage these emotional outbursts by fangirls because these types of things help keep the fandom of idol groups high.

What will happen is simply this: there'll be a carefully edited version of the Dream Concert shown on TV which gives no real indication of what went on that night and the girls will be expected to simply let it go and act as if nothing happened. And despite the girls having to deal with this as mere water under the bridge, the psycho fans of older artists/male artists/boybands will KEEP blasting SNSD for every little fucking thing. Not only that, those entertainers and their management will let those fans say whatever they want because 1) These 'scandals' provide free press for entertainers and 2) It stirs up up the fans and mobilizes them to further support their boys.

Eugh.

[walking_wounded`]

This makes me really unhappy. I do wish someone from Suju, DBSK or SNSD would say something cause this my possible be the most disrespectful thing I've seen at a concert...well a pop band concert. Seriously I sometimes rag on Morning Musume wotas but this is insane. Poor SNSD..makes me sad but this could be a good thing with people finally taking a step back and saying that spme fans are getting out of control.

[Odango]

Sungmin is the first to speak out about the whole happening at the concert~! I love you Sungmin-oppa~!!!! 

sungmin oppa fighting.
translation by ak6c @ soshified

o the most lovable angels in the world that made SuJu shine at the Dream Concert...

Did you go back home safely?

I'm not so sure exactly what time it ended because I was too tired...

I hope you didn't have to spend the night at a jjimjil room (steam room) or some place that's not your home because it ended too late...

Yesterday, all I saw was our blue river everywhere~ did you know? hehehe

The top right... middle left... back of the stage... even at the side where you can't see the stage...

It's sad that not all the E__ fans could see the stage together
I hope we can get seats with a better view next time.. hehe

How's 'Cook King'? Do you like it?
I like it.. keke the dance is fun too

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Ah... you know our SNSD girls...
I heard you didn't cheer for them? ^^;; I see our E__ is mad?
We're one!!! kekeke I wanted to yell that out too~

But we showed to you yesterday that we were one! ke
Super Junior KRY+T+KM+HAPPY = 1

I think the SNSD girls understand now too~
that they have to listen to their SuJu sunbae's well!
Weren't they punished enough till yesterday~?
So please cheer for our SNSD girls from now a lot~

Because we're SMTOWN!
SNSD is also a part of our SM Family like E__~
It's okay to dispute for a little...
but if you goes on without any resolvement, the family itself can be destroyed T_T
So cheer them on from now on ^^

I think it's for SuJu as well!
If I think of it further ahead, I'd like to ask you to cheer on for all the singers...
Actually because our E__ is very very nice, I saw our E__ cheering the other artists a lot as well.
Sometimes even louder than us!! kekeke
Just joking. But cheer them on to a point where SuJu can feel a little jealous and want to work harder! ^^ ke
Let's show them that we're the best!! Making us feel thoughts like this as we go on the stage.. ^^

But if it goes on for too long I'll quit!!

I wonder if I'll get scolded? ^^;;
But still... even when I was feeling sick yesterday... it was our SNSD girls that took care of me and worried for me^^
 

[Pharadox]

Okay, I don't know exactly what's going on, only that a whole lot of people boycotted SNSD at Dream Concert and I saw a fancam of it and it's really sad. I don't feel like they deserved that at all. I've read back through the last couple pages here and I still don't completely understand why it happened. Can someone tell me what's going on?

Edit: Okay, nevermind. I read an article about it somewhere and have more information now. I think it's kind of sad that action is being taken against the whole group like that because of something one person said. I feel really bad for them.

[Odango]

Basically from my understanding the three largest fanclubs banded together to go against SNSD (Cassiopeia - DBSG, ELF - SuJu, SSS - SS501). They were going to band together to support each other and not support SNSD. Anyway, when SNSD's turn to perform came all the fan groups turned off thei glowsticks and were silent, which IMO is fine because at least it's still somewhat respectful, but then I guess later on in the performance they started to yell at the girls to "Disband" and chanted" Plastic Surgery Generation" and were shouting for the Wonder Girls to come on stage. In addition I heard that ELF was dumping water on the SNSD fans below them and tossing water bottles at them >.>

On the flip side (I know I'm in the SNSD forum, but I like to present both sides of the story) it's been said that SNSD fans were the ones that ripped down the two SuJu banners and a Yunho banner. Which may not seem like a big deal, but those things take thousands of dollars to make and time to prepare. So imagine Soshified or whomever, just saying them cause I visit there, spending thousands of dollars on a banner to show their support for SNSD, but then someone comes by and rips it. I saw the fancams of the girls watching it as it was happening, they're crying and screaming, and it's really rather sad. In addition I heard some of the SNSD fanboys punched some of the SuJu and ELF fangirls?

Although now someone else has told me they read somewhere that a DBSK fan stabbed a SNSD fanboy o.O I dunno

However a LOT of this could just be rumors from angry fans so I'm not really sure what is true and what is not.

The only things know that are facts is that banners were torn down, there's fancams to prove it, and that the arena was like almost completely silent during the SNSD performance.

*sigh* I'm a fan of all SM Town groups, so it's really heartbreaking to me to see fans acting like this to each other. People should respect the artists and the people reguardless of everything else. What ever happened to the saying if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all? Seriously, if you're not happy with an artist then don't buy their product, but why waste the time and energy to hate on something so passionately? What will you have to show for it later? NOTHING~! It's just wasted time and energy that you could have spent more productively on something else.

[Pharadox]

^ That's just insane. Why take things so far? Music is supposed to lift up, not tear down. Seriously, some fans (no matter who they're fans of) are scary. It's short for fanatics for a reason.

Thanks so much for all the information, Odango!

[cool_kickin_dude]

you knoe, I haven't hear much of SNSD, but I think it's pretty stupid what those people did to them..totally disrepsectful in my view

[BeLLisima]

i remember reading this one suju fan acc she said that she did see soshi fans move the banner aside so the other fans could sit but  she didnt see those fans ripping of the banner but sumhow on the process it got torn up accidentally some suju fans thought they did that in purpose but it's actually not,then they start throwing waters to soshi fans,as for soshi fans they're not that mature too,coz sum of them tried to get on the front of the stage or sumthing that's why the concdrt got delayed for a while

bout the 10min silent it's been planned like weeks b4 the concert so with or without the banner incident they will still doing the silent act,at that fancam u can see them hushing the other FCs to shut up while soshi perf,soshi fans act is towards the fans but what cass elf triple s did is straight to soshi that's what make it more worst
yes i know many ther cass elf and triple s like snsd ,but im blaming them as the FC why making such a plan,fine i can take it if they're only being silent ,but screaming "DISBAND....WONDER GIRLS....ETC ETC" just unacceptable
 

[tamatron]

Sungmin ;_;

What's the deal about the banners, Odango? Did they just remove them or just rip them apart? Coz I've been hearing different stories. And which Yunho banner? Is it the one with just his name and some text on it? That's the only one I saw in pics and it was on the other side of the stadium.

And the punching and stabbing are just too extreme for me to believe . Call the police, dammit!

And why are they acting like it just happened right then and there after the banner deal? If it was just that then why have we heard about the plan long before the event? Why can't they just man up, admit that they've planned it long before and just go celebrate? Bravo, you've succeeded! GJ!

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yuriwaveyuriwaveyuriwaveyuriwave...

[BeLLisima]

here sum cassiopeia fan acc who actually there

http://matineelove.livejournal.com/6656.html?view=4608#t4608

[tamatron]

Let's look at something nice...





The balloons were from Sooyoung's and Seohyun's fans.



And when they set them free...







Sosi will always shine in the dark.

[StreakInTheSky]

all I really gotta say is,

FUCK ANTI-FANS!!!!

Maybe they thought the silent treatment made a better atmosphere for Soshi to connect with their fans, and decided to scream stupid disrespectful crap... No matter, since this whole thing is just stupid.

The artists and companies need to speak out against this kind of crap. Would the fans really boycott their beloved groups just because the company spoke out against their disrespectful behavior? The money lost would be irrelevant.

Anyways,
SOSHI FIGHTING!

^Those balloons and glowsticks are awesome. It may take a lot of people to make a large see of green or whatever color, but It takes a group of organized, dedicated people to pull something off like that.

Oh and I gotta add, that I really like the outfits the girls wore for their performance

[BeLLisima]

i love how soshi fans supporting the gals till very last end^^
and yeah if u read that fan acc ull see even she didnt want to be with cass gah
i just sad coz not only this is the gals 1st DC but also yoona official comeback after absent in many perf

hope this wont happen at M!C if it does i;ll be super mad