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Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« on: November 16, 2009, 08:00:24 PM »
WASHINGTON (AFP) – News photos of President Barack Obama bowing to Japan's emperor have incensed critics here, who said the US leader should stand tall when representing America overseas.

Obama on Monday was in China, having wrapped up the Japan leg of his Asia trip two days earlier. But Washington's punditocracy was still weighing whether or not the US president had disgraced his country two days earlier by having taken a deep bow at the waist while meeting Japan's Emperor Akihito.

Political talk shows have played and replayed the moment from the second day of Obama's week-long Asia tour, which set the blogosphere on fire and chat show tongues wagging.

"I don't know why President Obama thought that was appropriate. Maybe he thought it would play well in Japan. But it's not appropriate for an American president to bow to a foreign one," said conservative pundit William Kristol speaking on the Fox News Sunday program, adding that the gesture bespoke a United States that has become weak and overly-deferential under Obama.

Another conservative voice, Bill Bennett, said on CNN's "State of the Union" program: "It's ugly. I don't want to see it."

"We don't defer to emperors. We don't defer to kings or emperors. The president of the United States -- this coupled with so many apologies from the United States -- is just another thing," said Bennett.

Some conservative critics juxtaposed the image of Obama with one of former US vice president Dick Cheney, who greeted the emperor in 2007 with a firm handshake but no bow.

"I'll bet if you look at pictures of world leaders over 20 years meeting the emperor in Japan, they don't bow," Kristol said.

Some said the gesture was particularly grating coming after Obama's bow to Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah at a G20 meeting in April.

The US president's Asia trip comes just over a year after he won election to the White House, and is designed to shore up US power in a region increasingly dominated by rising giant China.

But back home, Obama's bow in Japan seems to have grabbed much of the attention being paid to the trip.

The gesture appears to have touched a particularly raw nerve among Obama critics who said the president has hastened America's decline as a world superpower by being too apologetic and too deferential in his dealings with other world leaders.

While most of the commentary about the bow in Japan was decidedly negative, some political observers, like longtime Democratic activist Donna Brazile, came to the president's defense.

"I think it's a gesture of kindness," she told CNN, adding that the bow appeared intended to show "goodwill between two nations that respect each other."

Meanwhile, an unnamed, senior Obama administration official told the Politico.com news site that the president had simply been observing protocol.

"I think that those who try to politicize those things are just way, way, way off base," the official told Politico.

"I don't think anybody who was in Japan -- who saw his speech and the reaction to it, certainly those who witnessed his bilateral meetings there -- would say anything other than that he enhanced both the position and the status of the US, relative to Japan," Politico wrote.

"It was a good, positive visit at an important time, because there's a lot going on in Japan."
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 08:42:25 PM »
What will these stupid conservatives use next to talk dirty?

They should put their white masks on and play in the garden :D
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 09:00:02 PM »
The media gave Bush hell when he held hands with the King of Saudi Arabia, too.

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 09:32:19 PM »
When in Rome... (or Japan) XD

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 09:33:00 PM »
Yeah, politely bowing to the figurehead emperor of another country, where bowing is a pretty standard thing, is why America is fucked. :fap

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 09:40:10 PM »
Some conservative critics juxtaposed the image of Obama with one of former US vice president Dick Cheney, who greeted the emperor in 2007 with a firm handshake but no bow.

Oh you mean that honorable guy who shot someone in the face?

America pretty much needs to go on the charm offensive considering what Bush has done in the past 8 years.

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2009, 10:17:58 PM »
This upsets me greatly and it has nothing to do with me in the slightest. Why do people make a fuss over such crappy things?  :banghead:

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2009, 10:47:30 PM »
This is always that way. The politics makes crappy things, anbd all citizens of the country are held responsible.

I'm german. In the world, I'm a faschist murderer. Nice, eh? I was born in 1979, 35 years after ww2, but that doesn't matter.

Not that this bothers me, I beat up neonazis pretty good in my younger years and I married a half japanese girl :D

You can read, how stupid some people in the government and politics are. Handshake in japan? Crazy. Bowing is normal greeting. I wish, that would be in germany like this, I hate grabbing the hand of a person I don't know  :thumbdown:
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 03:41:19 AM »
This upsets me greatly and it has nothing to do with me in the slightest. Why do people make a fuss over such crappy things?  :banghead:
It's only the people that dislike Obama that are making a fuss. Had "the other" candidate won the last presidential election and gone to Japan and bowed to the Emperor, these same nay-sayers would be all "good job; very respectful of another countries customs."  :yep:

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009, 04:07:35 AM »
wtf when i go the japanese resturant i try to make it a point to bow at the very least (when i've said 'arigato' [did i spell it right?]) the waitress said 'arigato gozaimas' (again, sorry if i spelled it wrong)

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i am hispanic. mind you i probably know more japanese than spanish (  XD ) but there was one time where an asian woman told me 'gracias' for something (i don't even remember what it was for )- i didn't look at that as 'wtf, stfu, omfg why did you say that' but rather that she was trying to connect with me as a person - if i were to go to japan, i'd bow to people, i mean, wtf - obama showed respect when visiting a foreign country and he gets shit for it? 'the us leader should stand tall' - why, so he could be the nelson munts of the world? in reality his bowing WAS standing tall - kinda like it takes a 'real' man to cry - he had the balls to meet these people on their own terms so to speak rather than 'i'm the USA i own the world so you stfu - you motherfuckers better bow to me' ... why is it so hard to accept that other cultures have different customs and all that which may differ from our own, and abiding by those customs isn't showing a sign of weakness but showing respect? hell, it's a good thing he didn't end up in the middle-eastern desert - in certain places they eat goat's testicles, and if you don't when offered, you're a pussy, like literally laugh out loud less than a man go make me dinner pussy with no respect
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 04:13:51 AM »
Funny how respecting one's culture is a bad thing
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 04:54:12 AM »
John arigatou gozaimasu

close enough

well first off, as a person from Hawaii, Obama understand that we usually respect other cultures and bowing is very grateful to the Japanese, it is matter of showing respect (as noted by many people here).  I felt disgraced by the conservatives not upholding world traditions (reason for putting up this article) Well thanks for all the feedback and now back to  why the U.S. still cannot respect other nations
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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 05:12:31 AM »
^ i could say it better than i could spell it  XD

from what i've heard from people not from the u.s, this is one of the main reasons why the rest of the world seems to hate the u.s  :thumbdown:

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 07:17:14 AM »
The only embarrassing thing about this is how shocked so many Americans are to see an example of manners and respect.

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 07:48:40 AM »
FUCK THEM ... U.S.A. IS NOT AMERICA and certainly they are not kings.

this is just nonsense, maybe we can say is better that they didn't shake hands because of the swine flu and shit XD

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2009, 05:15:32 PM »
Obama's gesture on Saturday was not without precedent, however. Neither was the outrage.  U.S. presidents from both political parties often have been criticized for attempts at culturally sensitive greetings to high-ranking foreigners.

Former President George W. Bush, a Republican, was mocked for holding Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah's hand, a traditional sign of friendship in the Middle East, as they strolled together in 2005.

In 1994, former Democratic President Bill Clinton was criticized for almost bowing to Akihito. The resulting image, The New York Times wrote, was of "an obsequent president and the emperor of Japan."

Former President Richard Nixon, a Republican, can be seen in a Life magazine photo from 1971 bowing to Akihito's father, Emperor Hirohito.

Obama's awkward encounter with Akihito — bows are not meant to accompany physical contact — is not even the first time the president, a Democrat in office less than a year, has been criticized for his greeting of a foreign leader: Critics accused him of genuflecting to Saudi King Abdullah at a world economic summit this year.

In an online State Department posting from 2007 titled "Protocol for the Modern Diplomat," envoys are advised to be aware of greeting rituals such as kisses, handshakes or bows and to follow a country's tradition. "Failure to abide with tradition may be interpreted as rudeness or a lack of respect for colleagues," it says. It was not clear whether the guidelines apply to the president.

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Re: Outrage in Washington over Obama's Japan bow
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 04:23:21 PM »
This is dumb. Obama was bowing out of respect for the emperor their culture. To attack him for that is just silly. :(

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