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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #120 on: December 29, 2010, 02:08:02 PM »
^ Yeah sometimes it's easy to forget the ages of these girls. >o< When I was 11 my teacher at school was still constantly giving me these bitchy comments because I used to walk with my toes pointing inward... And I had this "Y SO SERIOUS?!" mentality LOL. ANYWAY kids at that age are awkward and have no idea about worklife, bless their innocent souls.

shi...how does that work  :lol:

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2010, 02:47:48 PM »
How does what work??

If you mean the walk, kinda like this



Considered cutesy in Japan I guess, but here very unattractive
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #122 on: December 29, 2010, 03:09:49 PM »
I think none of the finalists fits into MM because of their age. If new members have to be added, they should be at least 18 in 2011.

I've been having a hell of a time convincing people that 11-13 year olds is not the way to go with MM. But since Tsunku seems dead set on having a bunch of youngins I'll say it again, it better be Riho who is guaranteed a spot. Everyone else will have to do more to convince me to care.  It's not that I don't think any of these finalists suck beyond Riho but she was the only one who showed actual potential from what I saw.

I'm hoping that Tsunku pulls some sort of stunt and brings in some older eggs along with whoever he picks from the random girls off the street. My bet is that he names himself the winner of the 9th gen.  :lol:
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #123 on: December 29, 2010, 03:14:50 PM »
How does what work??

If you mean the walk, kinda like this



Considered cutesy in Japan I guess, but here very unattractive

Here is a good example of the "walk" as done in Shibuya, etc


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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #124 on: December 30, 2010, 02:11:44 AM »
I've been having a hell of a time convincing people that 11-13 year olds is not the way to go with MM. But since Tsunku seems dead set on having a bunch of youngins I'll say it again, it better be Riho who is guaranteed a spot. Everyone else will have to do more to convince me to care.  It's not that I don't think any of these finalists suck beyond Riho but she was the only one who showed actual potential from what I saw.

But you do realize past auditions have always aimed young, right? Just look at how old the current members were when they joined. Even the first formation of the group featured a 12-year-old and a huge age gap similar to what we're seeing now: Yuko was 24, Aichan is currently 24; Nacchi/Iida were 16, Aika is currently 17 going on 18. I agree that older would've been better, but UFA has been doing this since the beginning and this really shouldn't be all too surprising. Think of it more as long-term planning by the management, picking girls who can stick around for a while.

I think I might have to watch the audition episode again, but so far my preferred picks are Riho and Kanon; Riho because she's just an all-around performer with experience (the group can always use that kind of help), and Kanon because of my earlier "She is Hello Project" analysis...plus she might do well on the "personality" front, and her voice can become better with time and work. You gotta keep in mind that Morning Musume stopped being a traditional singing group and went full-fledged idol mode way back in 2000 (when they shunned Mikitty and made Rika their top pick), so there needs to be more than just singing with these girls.

My bet is that he names himself the winner of the 9th gen.  :lol:

I'm pretty sure he did that already with the first 7th gen audition. :P
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #125 on: December 30, 2010, 02:58:31 AM »

But you do realize past auditions have always aimed young, right? Just look at how old the current members were when they joined. Even the first formation of the group featured a 12-year-old and a huge age gap similar to what we're seeing now: Yuko was 24, Aichan is currently 24; Nacchi/Iida were 16, Aika is currently 17 going on 18. I agree that older would've been better, but UFA has been doing this since the beginning and this really shouldn't be all too surprising. Think of it more as long-term planning by the management, picking girls who can stick around for a while.

I think I might have to watch the audition episode again, but so far my preferred picks are Riho and Kanon; Riho because she's just an all-around performer with experience (the group can always use that kind of help), and Kanon because of my earlier "She is Hello Project" analysis...plus she might do well on the "personality" front, and her voice can become better with time and work. You gotta keep in mind that Morning Musume stopped being a traditional singing group and went full-fledged idol mode way back in 2000 (when they shunned Mikitty and made Rika their top pick), so there needs to be more than just singing with these girls.


Yes, I realize it has always been that way but I don't think this long-term planning idea is the right way to go. There's a lot more competition in the girl idol group category now. MM isn't on top of the mountain anymore and they're kind of getting steamrolled by AKB at the moment.  With that said going for girls who may have "it" later on will not be of benefit to the group and going for a sure thing like Riho or possibly Kanon would at least give them a fighting chance. Unless the plan is to just start graduating all the older members & make an entirely new Morning Musume with a bunch of rookies from the eggs & auditioners. In that case, good luck to UFA I guess.

My bet is that he names himself the winner of the 9th gen.  :lol:


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I'm pretty sure he did that already with the first 7th gen audition. :P

Hahahah.. True. Nothing is stopping him from doing it again.  :P  Which would be kind of mean but funny.

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #126 on: December 30, 2010, 06:41:05 AM »
I think there will never be another "no one passes" audition like the (un)Lucky 7 Audition.  Here's why:

Going through the audition process in the first place is somewhat costly and time-consuming, and doing it without any results is almost 100% wasted effort.
I say almost, because at the very least it generates news and publicity.  Too bad this only works once before you start to seem pathetic or too picky.
If nothing else, there will be pressure from the higher-ups to not eff it up again and waste resources.

The idol landscape is quite different now than in 2004-2005.
As was stated before, there's more incentive now to pick up promising girls, if only to keep them from being signed by the competition.
(If not for Morning Musume, then at least to keep them around for some other purpose a la Satoda Mai, Mikitty, Miuna, Miyoshi Erika, and Kikka.)

Tsunku may be crazy, insane, and unpredictable, but he isn't stupid.
Having gone through the debacle of the (un)Lucky 7 Auditions once, he wouldn't let it happen again just as a matter of pride.
To that end, I get the feeling he packs the finals with at least one surefire pick he's already determined to select, just in case he doesn't like what he sees with the other finalists.
I have 0 proof of this, but honestly think that Tsunku has enough smarts and pride to avoid making the same mistake twice if he can help it.



As for picking really young girls, this is nothing new.  Just about every audition has produced at least one member in the 12-13 range.
I honestly don't think "long-term planning" is the main rationale for this.
If you look back through idol history, what I think is a more important factor is "fresh"-ness.
If I had to explain the idol concept in as simple terms as possible, it would be "cuteness" and "freshness".
When picking a new idol, all other considerations seem secondary to these two traits, and without them I don't think we'd really consider them to be "idols".

I think what keeps me a fan of Hello! Project and idols in general is the process of seeing how these fresh girls develop and improve over time.
Japanese idol pop is just about the only musical/entertainment genre I can think of where a more polished group at debut can be a drawback and earnest effort actually counts for something.
For me at least, it's the process of growing up, progressing, and evolving as a performer that keeps me interested.

That said, Morning Musume's average member age has been creeping up into previously unknown territory.
By that, I mean that the average age for the group has always seemed to hover around 16 or so.
Historically the average age has always been kept around that number by either graduating older members or adding younger members.

Right now, the average age is more like 20-21 and I believe this has been reflected in the type of songs they're given.
Without breaking continuity by having more than half the group being made up of new faces, going even younger is the only way to get that average back to where it used to be.
But why is the average age so important?

I think it's because the business of Japanese idols is about selling what essentially amounts to a Cinderella story.
To the preteen-middle school crowd (seems mostly female in this range), this is all about selling the dream of being like Cinderella.
In this target audience, having the average age be around 16 is both easy to admire and easy to relate to.
To the older mostly-male fans like me, it's more about youth, nostalgia, and capturing the short teenage years where girls grow up and transform the most.

For debuting idols in general, upside matters much more than singing or dancing talent.
Using Kusumi Koharu, who was picked as age 12, as an example, you couldn't argue that she was pretty raw at the start to say the least.
She could carry a tune, but definitely needed a handbasket.  As for her dancing, well, she needed help learning how to walk like a normal person.
But even though Tsunku didn't pick the best singer or dancer of the finalists, I remember being struck by this realization at the time:
"Tsunku picked her for her potential. If you use your imagination a little bit, she has tons of it."


For this batch of finalists, even ignoring their ages it's easy to see some of them being picked:
For Kanon, she's got guts, doesn't seem easily shaken, and is cheerful and cute as heck.  To me, she's a Makoto/Koharu pick.
For Minami, she's got some similarity to Koharu in looks, and is easy to cheer on despite being otherwise miserable performance-wise.  To me, she's a Tsuji/Konkon pick.
For Riho, she's pro and will undoubtedly be a looker a few years down the road.  For me, she's definitely a Goto/Aichan pick.

For the other two, it's a little harder for me to pin down.  What I got from Tsunku's comments was that with them he's going for a "moe" or "little sister" type of character that hasn't quite been seen in Morning Musume before.  But since they didn't make as much impression on me, I'm withholding Kago/Niigaki pick status for now.


tl;dr version:
Tsunku's got too many reasons now to not pick anyone like he did with the (un)Lucky 7 Auditions.
Picking younger girls isn't just about long-term planning, it's about freshness and keeping the average age down as well as changing Morning Musume's image.
Current finalists have good mix of skill, personality, freshness, cheer-on-ability.
I really like Kanon and Riho.
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #127 on: December 30, 2010, 08:24:37 AM »
I didn't even know there was a 9th audition going on till i accidentally saw this thread LOL...

I'm really curious now XD  And this batch of auditioners looks more interesting than those of the last 2 auditions so yay~


As I posted in the 9th gen poll thread, the ones that I think have most chance of winning are Kanon, Riho and Minami. Summarizing my opinions on that thread:

Kanon: Enthusiasm! Tsunku loves super enthusiastic girls that are also a challenge (i.e. Koharu, Aika)
Riho: Talent as performer
Minami: The challenge that people feel "awww" about. Sweet semi-shy super ordinary girl that can be transformed into an idol (i.e. Konno, Aika)


Erina & Aina: meh... cute but not much impression

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2010, 09:06:29 AM »
I got really excited because I thought the announcement was today, damn. Try again tomorrow  :sweatdrop:
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #129 on: December 31, 2010, 09:46:58 AM »

Riho's gonna own every single current H!P girl in dancing, probably without breaking a sweat. This stuff is fierce as hell, and she seemed to learn everything really fast.


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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #130 on: December 31, 2010, 10:03:26 AM »
I got really excited because I thought the announcement was today, damn. Try again tomorrow  :sweatdrop:
The day after isn't it? Counter says 2 days to go :3

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #131 on: January 01, 2011, 03:52:19 AM »
AHHH~~~ :heart: We might find out sometime today!! (well atleast by midnight-1am England time I hope!)
If not... Sunday I'll be waking up to hear about the new Musumes~~


Umm actually-- this might be a stupid question but- will the girls not be in Morning Musume properly at first? Will they have a month or so of training before joining officially or are they pretty much thrown right into it?? :?

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #132 on: January 01, 2011, 09:32:43 AM »
^  They do have a training period. :3 We can probably expect to see them performing in the Momusu spring concert tour, and usually they release a single with the newbies at first too, if memory serves me right. xD
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #133 on: January 01, 2011, 09:43:05 AM »
The concert starts at 18:30 on 2 January, Japan time. That's the earliest we can know about the new members. In other time zones: 10:30 Central Europe, 9:30 England.

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2011, 10:16:21 AM »
^ Werd. I'm glad it's somewhat early my time, so I don't have to wait all day for the gawddamn announcement :lol:


I also hope that during Kikka's opening performance they'll explain more about what her role is now :O
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2011, 04:16:27 PM »
 

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #136 on: January 01, 2011, 05:46:03 PM »
YEEEEEEEEESSS MOOOOOOOOOOOORRREEEE

You know, that at least means that they actually CHOSE someone!! :lol:

It will probably have footage of the concert where the results are announced...
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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #137 on: January 01, 2011, 06:17:14 PM »
^ Ohh yes! I hope they film the announcement and their reactions, etc!~ :D

>____< So soooon~ :lol: I might try and make sure I'm up early so I can follow along and not get online well after the suprise of who's got in! XD;

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2011, 10:57:01 AM »
^ Hey you aren't up yet, IRC is going nuts XD

I didn't even know there was a 9th audition going on till i accidentally saw this thread LOL...

LOL. The news came suddenly too.

Riho, like Stryfe said has a HUUUUUGE potential in all areas. She's like the Sidney Crosby of NHL or John Wall from the NBA. Can't imagine her when she's in her prime. Tsunku shouldn't fuck it up like the last audition and sign her ASAP.

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Re: [NEWS] Morning Musume 9th Generation Auditions
« Reply #139 on: January 02, 2011, 11:13:45 AM »
Morning Musume 9th Gen: Ikuta Erina, Sayashi Riho, Suzuki Kanon. From Eggs: Fukumura Mizuki
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