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Bin Laden is Dead.
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:09:20 AM »
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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 07:54:48 AM »
About time too. I'm still a little nervous about a few issues (such as how he was sheltered in Pakistan for so long), but it's still a momentous day.


Also: Obama just won the 2012 election.



EDIT: This isn't mine, but too funny to pass up:

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When Osama bin Laden died, he was met at the Pearly Gates by George Washington, who slapped him across the face and yelled, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"

Patrick Henry approached, punched him in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed."

James Madison followed, kicked him in the groin and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"

Thomas Jefferson was next, he beat Osama with a long cane and snarled, "It was evil men like you who inspired me to write the Declaration of Independence."

The beatings and thrashings continued as George Mason, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans unleashed their anger on the terrorist leader.

As Osama lay bleeding and in pain, an Angel appeared. Bin Laden wept and said, "This is not what an angel promised me."

The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you in Heaven. What did you think I said?"
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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 10:46:04 AM »
Osama Bin Laden: Hide and Seek Champion 2001-2011 :P

Also, college kids be going crazy over it:
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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 02:48:43 PM »
heard that teh navy seals got a head shot on him...


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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 11:15:49 PM »
Oh crazy Chinese news coverage. :lol:


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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 01:17:11 AM »
^ "Chinese"?  NMA is Taiwanese you racist!   :rofl:  JK

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 01:33:33 AM »
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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 02:04:11 AM »
Well, celeb tweets were going on about this for much of the day. While driving to work this morning, one of the hosts of the radio show I listen to mentioned this one:

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Lily Allen
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"I know that Osama Bin Laden is dead, but if we could all stop for a minute to consider today's REAL news I'd very much appreciate it. It is my birthday, I am 26."
FOUND ARTICLE LINK - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-celebrity-tweets-115875-23102324/#ixzz1LCjrBstJ


Upon reading her name and the tweet itself...the co-host of the radio show expressed the EXACT same thing that I was thinking at the time.

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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 05:23:06 AM »
^ Lily Allen is a UK pop singer known for snarky lyrics and comments, so I'm pretty sure that was intended to be a joke (and I could've sworn some other celebrity did the same or a similar thing a few years ago...maybe it was her?).

^ "Chinese"?  NMA is Taiwanese you racist!   :rofl:  JK
The PRC frowns upon such separatist shenanigans. :P

And as great as it is that we finally got Osama, we still have to remember:
1. It took a ridiculous amount of money and bloodshed to get him
2. Being dead means we can't get him to properly atone for his crimes
3. Al Qaeda is still out there

It's good to have some closure to the madness that started 10 years ago. At the same time, it's not over.
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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 12:37:22 AM »
I don't really know what to think of all of this...

but this really surprised me. Considering all the money and efforts spent on the ongoing wars, you'd think the schools would manage to tell kids what they're fighting for @_@



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According to Yahoo!, The Top Searched Questions on Osama bin Laden are (based on Sunday, 5/1):
1. Is Osama bin Laden dead?
2. How did Osama bin Laden die?
3. Who killed Osama bin Laden?
4. How old is Osama bin Laden
5. Who is Osama bin Laden
6. Where was Osama bin Laden killed?
7. Is Osama bin Laden dead or alive?
8. How tall is Osama bin Laden?

News of Osama bin Laden's death seemed to have struck a chord with younger folks who grew up during the war on terrorism.
- On Yahoo!, 1 in 3 searches for "how did osama bin laden die" on Sunday were from teens ages 13-17.
- According to Yahoo!, 40% of searches on Sunday for "who killed osama bin laden" were from people ages 13-20.
- However, it seems teens ages 13-17 were seeking more information as they made up 66% of searches for "who is osama bin laden?"
- Two-thirds of people searching for "Who is Osama Bin Laden?" today were teenagers

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 02:14:20 AM »
Wow. Those people really have been living in a bubble. I mean just think, not only would they have to have been ignoring the media over the past 10 years, but they've ignored pop culture as well where he was mentioned or ridiculed?

So reports have been conflicting. Some say he hid behind his youngest wife during the attack. Some say she wasn't there at all. Some say the soldiers shot him when he brandished a weapon at them, now most say he was unarmed. Me personally? I probably would have preferred it if they caught him alive. Yes I know the ramifications are too big, I know it would be a legal quagmire to convict him and link evidence to the crimes he committed. I know the risks in even keeping him alive would spark a action from Al-Qaeda in an attempt to free him. Believe me, I really don't care that he's dead. Would hate to say it about anyone else, but he was an evil man probably too far gone in his 'faith' and beliefs to ever ration with. But if they caught him alive at least they could say, 'Yep, we got him, here he is' as opposed to now where people are beginning to doubt and question if it ever really happened in the first place, which I know to be true, but tell that to the conspiracy theorists out there.

The big debate now is do they release the photos of the raid? Would be the only way to confirm he died, but I think we all know, the web-savvy people we are, that the photo would just be taken and used as forum avatars or signatures, brandished all over the internet from some inconsiderate dumbasses which would only inspire more hatred from Bin Laden's followers.

Also, I laugh at the reports of how his body was washed and respected in accordance to Islamic tradition. Like fuck it was! They probably pissed on it before kicking it off the boat.

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 03:03:56 AM »
Personally, thinking back to when I was in elementary school, there was the first Gulf War.  I really didn't know much of what it was about, why we were fighting it, ect...  I was between 6-10, I think.  After it, it just barely seemed like a part of my "world" growing up.  AFter the 9-11 attacks, sure we heard a lot about Osama, but 2-3 years later, not so much.  The older people just remembered his name without any help, but forgot that the new generation really didn't know what was goign on in those first few years.  Ten years is a long time.  I remember seeing the pro-military posters and things in the months following 911 and how everyone thought he's be found within a couple years. 

I'd like to see a side-by side chart comparing the costs to the costs of going to the moon. 

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Re: Bin Laden is Dead.
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2011, 09:58:10 AM »
Doesn't anyone think this assassination is dodgy?

The American special forces just fly into someone else's backyard and kill whoever they want...

And where's the evidence?

From my point of view, the American government stands to gain a lot by not releasing bin Laden's final photo...how do we know bin Laden didn't die years ago and that this raid is just a cover-up for going to war in the Middle East. I mean what's the harm in letting everyone see that he is truly dead?

And giving him a sea burial? Where's the sense in that? Why not just bury him in an unmarked grave on land? Why go to the trouble of making sure that no-one ever knows what really happened?

In all seriousness, it seems that regardless of changes in the administration, America's official policy is using whatever means to get away with what it wants to do.

Look at Libya. Why would America suddenly launch airstrikes against Gaddafi's government and support the rebels? In the name of democracy? I think not.

From a more reasonable perspective, they just want to be able to control more of the world's oil resources (yes Libya has oil and they've even encouraged sanctions to be lifted so that the rebels can sell oil that they steal from the Libyan government).

So the question is: how much longer is the Western public going to be sheep and be happy with being spoonfed all these lies and trickery?

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2011, 11:40:29 PM »
^ I didn't believe it either, before, but even Al Quaida confirms it.  Or it's an elaborate plot...   :wth

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2011, 03:45:51 AM »
^ If this was a plot then that could only mean that Al Quaida and the U.S. worked together. There's no way.

And giving him a sea burial? Where's the sense in that? Why not just bury him in an unmarked grave on land? Why go to the trouble of making sure that no-one ever knows what really happened?
The reason for the sea burial has been reported numerous times ; Islamic traditions. True, the unmarked grave is/was a good option. It surprised me that they even allowed that man to be buried in accordance with his faith! but perhaps the troops handed the body over as a way to let Al Quaeda (or whoever the heck buried him) know that he is indeed dead. After what he did to to the U.S, I would have preferred he was given the crappiest burial.

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2011, 05:19:16 AM »
Plus no Islamic country was willing to accept his body for burial and they didn't want it to become a pilgrimage site. This way there's no grave for his followers to visit or for the Terry Jones of the world to desecrate. Burying him according to Islamic tradition also sends a message to the world that we're not at war with Islam.

As for Deaglezero, it doesn't send that message. I think this is very clearly a special case. The evidence is numerous public video-taped confessions.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 01:47:46 AM »
I'm still of the view that there has been some kind of cover-up involved. To go to such extremes to hunt down one man is simply unjustified.

Seeing as he was unarmed, a greater effect would have been achieved if he had been captured alive and put on trial in the International Criminal Court.

And just a comment on Libya once again: last night the news described how Britain had supplied thousands of sets of body armour to the rebels....hmmm makes you wonder what kind of humanitarian aid is being sent there, doesn't it?

Also if memory serves me correct, America has recently sent military advisors to Libya. That's exactly what they did before going into Vietnam and Iraq. Guess it's the same old story eh?

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 02:28:14 AM »
hope there won't be some sort of counter attack...
According to documents found in the compound, there were plans for an attack on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.
I'm still of the view that there has been some kind of cover-up involved. To go to such extremes to hunt down one man is simply unjustified.
9/11 changed the U.S. OBL changed the U.S. Americans were deeply hurt and affected.

Man, do I hate conspiracies. The JFK conspiracy annoys me, and he was before my time!

An interesting article I read about a man unknowingly tweeting the raid
From Abbottabad, Live-Tweeting the Bin Laden Attack.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 03:13:37 AM »
Also if memory serves me correct, America has recently sent military advisors to Libya. That's exactly what they did before going into Vietnam and Iraq. Guess it's the same old story eh?

Yes but let's not forget that America is not attacking Libya on some mere whim. Gadaffi is denying his people the very basic human right to choose who is in power and even going as far as killing them for it. That is not what a government does to it's people and it is a different scenario to your examples as this time the UN is against Gadaffi and not just the US/UK, and if they weren't involved, you would still get activity from France, Poland etc

But yes I think we can all agree that America is not conducting military operations in Libya as some paragon of virtue, as much as it's people like to think. There is that whole oil thing which the US can't do without right now so obviously their main interest at least is to protect it and ensure that whoever comes next into power is on good terms with them.

The problem I have with supplying arms to the rebels is that nobody even really knows what side the rebels are on. Do they like us? Hate us? Do they like burning flags, such as, America's? And they're currently an armed group without a real leader. I say they perhaps should have been more careful. After all it is documented that America supplied arms and training to Al-Qaeda in the 90's to suppress the Russian's from going further. Which of course came back to haunt them as they're using those same weapons and training in the fight against America.

Seeing as he was unarmed, a greater effect would have been achieved if he had been captured alive and put on trial in the International Criminal Court.

Ideally I agree with you, but think of what else that would mean. Most likely would have taken years to conjure up his trial and have evidence to associate him with the crimes he's committed. All the while the American public would be aware OBL was captured and wondering why the fuck is he even alive and not executed in America with the flag waving in the background. I can imagine Obama would probably receive huge criticism for it, enough perhaps to turn to the Republicans in mid-term elections and that's not what the Democrats want. I'd say the order was to shoot on sight, easier for everyone involved, but of course, that will never be confirmed.

More I see it, the more the whooping and hollering on the streets at OBL death just sits uneasy with me. The people that I saw who lost loved ones in 9/11 were respectful, decent and mournful at hearing the news. The college jocks I saw looked like they won a football match. 

It's like "Our people killed some of their people" *dancing in the streets, waving of flags*, switch sides, repeat ad mortem. Pathetic really.
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2011, 04:39:38 PM »
^The celebratory videos I saw rather reminded me of anti American riots/protests in Middle Eastern countries. Minus the flag burning.

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